Yeah, I always did get a bit of that insecure masculinity vibe from the Twilight hatedom, like part of the mix was guys trying to shore up their masculinity cred by conspicuously disliking things associated with women.
Speaking for myself, but I fucking hate The Walking Dead. The comics especially.Right, but then why doesn't the Walking Dead get the same hate?
Plenty of boy bands, actors, artists and musicians have been just as ego crazed as Bieber, and with subjectively less skill. Why does Bieber get so much built up rage that you imply?
I'm not defending him. Bieber is incredibly immature, but what do you mean about the Disney Channel stars? Most don't seem too bad and are easy enough to ignore if you dislike them.
The bad points of Twilight have also been touched on. Some subjectively consider it to be badly written. There are plenty of books like that. The second point, that it sets a bad example for children is also true. But plenty of media also does this as well.
Can you name a non female oriented franchise that gets this much hate and vitriol directed at it?
To go to an extreme, Grand Theft Auto doesn't provide a good influence either. The gameplay is subjective and repetitive.
http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/fema...ale-leaning-fandom-come-in-for-such-criticism
A further commenter picked up the baton: "anything with a fanbase mainly composed of teenage girls - One Direction, Bieber, Twilight etc - gets tons of these uber-macho comments from people desperate to prove that they don't like this sissy garbage". As such you get "homophobic slurs aimed at the artists and misogynistic ones aimed at the fans".
That's put it far better than I ever could.
All of this has stayed with me, primarily because it has so many rings of truth about it. And you don't have to look much further than that Twilight saga for a whole clutch of evidence.
Putting aside the merits of the Twilight films for a minute - whether you love, hate or put up with them - the core demographic was female, and primarily teenagers. I don't think that's much of a secret. That was reflected in the casting, the publicity and the material itself, and the box office rewarded the choices that were made.
Let's assume for a minute (and this isn't the biggest leap I'll ever take) that there's a big bunch of people who don't like Twilight movies, as many of you don't. There's also a big bunch of people who don't like the staggeringly successful Rush Hour trilogy. But look at how the tone of the comments both franchises attract differs. You get vilified for liking one, and nobody seems to mind either way if you like the other.
Oh bullshit. Everything Bond does, or had been doing before the Craig reboot, was always portrayed as positive. M threatening to fire his ass isn't a condemnation of if his actions, it's M being an obstructive boss that gets in the way of solving the problem because of red tape, just like every police chief in every 80s cop movie ever. We're always supposed to side with Bond no matter what he's doing, and against the people who disapprove of his actions. Him being a cowboyAs for James Bond, none of what he does is portrayed in a *positive* way. Even during the Roger Moore movie era, his colleagues would grimace whenever Bond was pulling a "Bond". And in the modern era, Judy Dench's M threatened to fire Bond several times, and would have done it if he wasn't so damned good at his job. Also, the character has a motivation for acting like he does romantically - all the women he actually loved ended up horribly dead, usually right in front of him, and not by accident. No one wants to be 007 after they've had a few minutes to think it through.
of course people want to be Bond! That's the point of Bond! The only way he could be cooler would be if Steve McQueen played him!As for James Bond, none of what he does is portrayed in a *positive* way. Even during the Roger Moore movie era, his colleagues would grimace whenever Bond was pulling a "Bond". And in the modern era, Judy Dench's M threatened to fire Bond several times, and would have done it if he wasn't so damned good at his job. Also, the character has a motivation for acting like he does romantically - all the women he actually loved ended up horribly dead, usually right in front of him, and not by accident. No one wants to be 007 after they've had a few minutes to think it through.
Plenty of boy bands, actors, artists and musicians have been just as ego crazed as Bieber, and with subjectively less skill. Why does Bieber get so much built up rage that you imply?
I'm not defending him. Bieber is incredibly immature, but what do you mean about the Disney Channel stars? Most don't seem too bad and are easy enough to ignore if you dislike them.
@E.I.G. That's pretty much it. Most entertainment that is specifically marketed towards a female audience is utter crap. There's the occasional exception, of course, but most of this stuff seems to be made with a patronizing and chauvinistic preconception of what women find entertaining. As a result it gets badmouthed because, well, it's crap and deserves to be called out as such.
You see the same thing in toy aisles, incidentally. Take a look at the regular nerf section, with it's awesome variety of cool shit, and then take a look at the nerf "Rebelle" line: A bunch of lame, clearly inferior products marketed towards girls in just about the most patronizing manner possible. Honestly the only way it could be worse is if Nerf's "for girls" products consisted exclusively of nurse uniforms and velcro bandaids.
While I firmly agree that this is a thing that happens, that article is just terrible. It's full of bad examples and false comparisons, and obviously more concerned with making it's point than properly supporting it.
People hate twilight because it's fucking awful, ditto with Bieber. "Boy Bands" have been an object of ridicule since time immemorial, largely because they're crappy over-hyped bullshit cynically marketed to an audience that isn't expected to notice the complete lack of quality over their raging adolescent hormones.
If you want proof that it isn't about the gender of the target demographic, just look at the hate directed at the female pop stars the music industry throws at teenage boys. Brittney got the same exact shit in her day that Bieber is getting now, and for much the same reasons.
As for the comparison between Twilight and Rush Hour, I'm not even sure where to start on how bad a comparison that is. Rush Hour is an action comedy, staring two A-list comedic actors, one of which is internationally renown for his lifelong career doing great action-comedy films. Twilight is supposedly a serious dark romance staring a bunch of former underwear models whose acting qualifications can be charitably summed up by the phrase "six-pack abs." One possible exception to this is Robert Pattinson, who has publicly expressed his disdain for Twilight and claims got the part by deliberately playing it as over-the top as he could during casting in order to mock how ridiculous he thought the script and the character was.
Using that comparison to claim that people criticize movies aimed at a female fanbase more than those with a predominantly male fanbase is like comparing Cassablanca with Snakes on a Plane and concluding that movies with a black protagonist draw more criticism than those with a white lead. I seriously can't eyeroll hard enough.
To be fair, I've never actually seen any of the Twilight movies--but everything I've heard about them sounds like a bad B-Movie without even the sense to embrace it's schlockiness and not try to take itself seriously. I did have the opportunity to read one of the books once, but never made it past the first page because it was filled with the kind of poor grammar and typos one would expect from a 5th grader's bad slashfic.
The kicker though, is that I've heard more derogatory remarks about Justin Bieber and Twilight come from women than from men--particularly those who consider themselves feminists. My guess is they're insulted by this kind of substandard drivel being shoveled at them by the entertainment industry.
Some of the fans of the show are a bit enthusiastic at times, perhaps over-enthusiastic, and express themselves mostly online. Adult My Little Pony fans of either gender can be a bit uncomfortable wearing obvious merchandise outside for fear of being mocked so they likely use online persona's as an outlet.
I already know a number of the reasons for it. I just wanted to hear another person's opinion's on the matter.
Twilight's fanfiction is getting made into a movie. Both might be popular, but they aren't popular on the same level. I absorbed most everything about Twilight through osmosis, finally reading up on it and watching the first movie when I got tired of people bitching. I couldn't tell you the name of a single major Walking Dead character.
It's mostly I remember there being strong bad feelings around the Internet that KyoAni was working on that rather than <some series that targets MY demographic, and that KyoAni has always traditionally targetted>.
Just a general "keep making what I want you to make damn it" kind of thing. Some people would not shut up about it for weeks.
The reverse of this happens certain times to. There was a "Real Men Wear Pink" movement for a time that emphasized men could wear pink or feminine colors, but some took it to mean that it took a 'real man' to preserve their masculinity while wearing feminine colored clothes.Yeah, I always did get a bit of that insecure masculinity vibe from the Twilight hatedom, like part of the mix was guys trying to shore up their masculinity cred by conspicuously disliking things associated with women.
Have you read the book or watched the movie? Who is this 'we' you are referring to?We're kind of the opposite. Jacob, not alucard...Edward, deadpan mcgee, mustache dad, Creepy mcrapey, Creepy CG baby, Addams family vampire.
I know some people cite pornography of the genre as another issue, and Rule 34 of non-human characters like in Sonic or Pokemon also almost always partially overlaps with the furry fandom which has many stereotypes and misconceptions attached to it online.
I don't know much about the Sonic fandom. Explain? Why do you claim it is considered a joke overall and as a whole?You say this like Sonic fandom as a whole isn't considered a bad joke as well.
I don't know much about the Sonic fandom. Explain? Why do you claim it is considered a joke overall and as a whole?
I don't know much about the Sonic fandom. Explain? Why do you claim it is considered a joke overall and as a whole?
I don't know much about the Sonic fandom. Explain? Why do you claim it is considered a joke overall and as a whole?
Sonichu.I don't know much about the Sonic fandom. Explain? Why do you claim it is considered a joke overall and as a whole?
I don't know much about the Sonic fandom. Explain? Why do you claim it is considered a joke overall and as a whole?