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Whitewashed (Experimental Quest)

Enjou said:
Ignore the hot blooded one. He has an obsession with drills. Piercing through the walls would be dumb.
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It doesn't have to be a drill. But escaping isn't a bad idea at all. And…well, you can ignore the guy who's trying to remain optimistic and cheer you up, or you can ignore the guy who's telling you to give into your hatred, go insane, thinks that he trapped us in an Asylum (when we've been on Earth for quite some time before you contacted us) etc, etc. It's up to you, of course.
You don't know how thick the walls are - you could be digging for days and then he shows up and puts a stop to it.
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Inventing any spell at all holds the same risks. But still, sitting around doing nothing won't accomplish anything.
You don't know the material composition of the walls - even a spell might not penetrate.
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Then there's no harm in trying.
You don't know what might be on the other side. Guardians? An inky void which will consume you? Hell, maybe you're in warped space and you'll end up drilling right into the other side of the room you're already in. That's the kind of torment he would inflict on you, I imagine.
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Prove it. There's also a chance that she's in an entirely normal room. We don't know anything about it, negative or positive – but she's been trapped in there an awfully long time.
Determination is also a poor emotion to use to feed a spell. I imagine that the emotion gets used up during the spell, and generating more determination is difficult. You'd fall into a state of apathy, unable to rise again.
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Not really. As long as you have the will to do so, as long as you want it…then you can keep on fighting. The same can be said for anger, or despair. But when you're tired, and when you still strive to eke out the last ounces of power…determination is fairly abundant.
No, your hatred for him is the best choice. Just like your teacher could always feel distaste for feet because it was ingrained, because of the things he's done you will always be able to make more of it because there is something in you that finds those actions unacceptable and worthy of hatred. You'll always be able to hate him again, until he's dead and gone anyways.
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I question if you want to ingrain hatred into your being. It probably won't make you very happy to be in a state of fury all the time.
 
You poor dear, newly-minted Fuyu. Something has been taken from you that will not lightly be regained. Taking your memories like that, and trying to further mindfuck you is unforgiveable. You are not insane, despite His best efforts, but you could become so if you succumb to them.

Nurture your anger at the injustice visited upon you and all the victims of the Demon Lord, and feed your spell with it. Hatred for your foe will burn no hotter, and carries with it a Terrible Price.

As for what spell you should create, I recommend a great disjunction of magic. Your prison is magical in nature, so make a spell that rips apart all magic in the area. He has hurt so many people close to you, destroy his works! Cast down his artifice, and fortress if you can. Then you must choose to either escape and make preparations, or try to gut that motherfucker right there and then!
 
Damn you Skewfiend! I was planning to be the first to use the girl's name since I suggested it to her. Oh well, it is sad that you beat me to it. Kinda have to agree with Enjou here. Maybe you get to turn into a witch or a magical girl when you use the despair thing. Oh... wait... you're already a magical girl. I guess you turn into a hax witch then~

Also, thank you for accepting my suggestion for your name, Fuyu. It warms my heart~
 
o3o said:
It doesn't have to be a drill. But escaping isn't a bad idea at all. And…well, you can ignore the guy who's trying to remain optimistic and cheer you up, or you can ignore the guy who's telling you to give into your hatred, go insane, thinks that he trapped us in an Asylum (when we've been on Earth for quite some time before you contacted us) etc, etc. It's up to you, of course.
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Escape without information is risky. She has no clue where she is or what direction she has to go in to get out. Could be up, could be down, could be forward, back, left, or right. Hell, she could be trapped in a pocket dimension of some sort and trying to escape in a given direction would be fruitless.

Inventing any spell at all holds the same risks. But still, sitting around doing nothing won't accomplish anything.
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Different spells hold different risks. Effects that are noticeable and leave traces can clue the enemy into what you are doing, whereas spells like the Communication spell that apparently leave no visible effects are far more valuable.

Then there's no harm in trying.
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Time is a resource. The Demon Lord is trying to do something for her over time, and he's got the advantage. Trying to blindly force her way out is likely to result in catastrophic failure. Information comes first, then you plan an escape. Mind reading, precognition, astral projection - any of these would be better than trying to escape through unknown and inevitably hostile territory.

Prove it. There's also a chance that she's in an entirely normal room. We don't know anything about it, negative or positive – but she's been trapped in there an awfully long time.
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The fact that much of her magic does not work as it should to enable her to escape already shows it's not a normal room. You think the Demon Lord would put a prisoner he regularly spends time on in an ordinary room? Foolishness. No, she's very likely very well secured in some stronghold of his, filled with who knows how many magical defenses. Again, information comes first, then planning and preparation, then escape.

I question if you want to ingrain hatred into your being. It probably won't make you very happy to be in a state of fury all the time.
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Hatred of him is already a fundamental part of her at this point. Might as well make use of it.
 
Enjou said:
Escape without information is risky. She has no clue where she is or what direction she has to go in to get out. Could be up, could be down, could be forward, back, left, or right. Hell, she could be trapped in a pocket dimension of some sort and trying to escape in a given direction would be fruitless.
Different spells hold different risks. Effects that are noticeable and leave traces can clue the enemy into what you are doing, whereas spells like the Communication spell that apparently leave no visible effects are far more valuable.
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Alright, that's a good point. If she can use the 'Communication' spell to acquire audio information, perhaps she can modify that to see her surroundings?

Time is a resource. The Demon Lord is trying to do something for her over time, and he's got the advantage. Trying to blindly force her way out is likely to result in catastrophic failure. Information comes first, then you plan an escape. Mind reading, precognition, astral projection - any of these would be better than trying to escape through unknown and inevitably hostile territory.
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...? I didn't see that; he's repeatedly been asking her the same questions, right?

The fact that much of her magic does not work as it should to enable her to escape already shows it's not a normal room. You think the Demon Lord would put a prisoner he regularly spends time on in an ordinary room? Foolishness. No, she's very likely very well secured in some stronghold of his, filled with who knows how many magical defenses. Again, information comes first, then planning and preparation, then escape.
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Fair enough.

Hatred of him is already a fundamental part of her at this point. Might as well make use of it.
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Oh, I won't deny it's there - but there's a difference between having a splinter and driving it in deeper.
 
o3o said:
Alright, that's a good point. If she can use the 'Communication' spell to acquire audio information, perhaps she can modify that to see her surroundings?
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Possibly, but sound is limited. She needs something that will give her as much information as possible.

...? I didn't see that; he's repeatedly been asking her the same questions, right?
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And why is he asking her the questions, the same ones over and over again with no explanation? It's a form of mental torture, most likely. She can't even remember her own name - he's slowly driving her insane, likely on purpose, to some insidious end.

Oh, I won't deny it's there - but there's a difference between having a splinter and driving it in deeper.
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Deep hatred of a terrible evil is perfectly normal. As long as she does not allow it to cloud her judgement, it is not to her detriment.
 
Enjou said:
Possibly, but sound is limited. She needs something that will give her as much information as possible.



And why is he asking her the questions, the same ones over and over again with no explanation? It's a form of mental torture, most likely. She can't even remember her own name - he's slowly driving her insane, likely on purpose, to some insidious end.
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I wonder if it'd be possible to develop some sort of post-cognition? Or view separate timelines to recall her own past?

Deep hatred of a terrible evil is perfectly normal. As long as she does not allow it to cloud her judgement, it is not to her detriment.
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The thing is that using it as a power source means that to use her abilities, she's going to need to call upon more and more of it - meaning, of course, that it'll be increasingly difficult to not let it cloud her judgement.
 
o3o said:
I wonder if it'd be possible to develop some sort of post-cognition? Or view separate timelines to recall her own past?
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Possibly, but messing with time in either direction can be tricky - the cost of such power is often insanity, and she needs to hold on to what she's got. Mind reading may be worthwhile, since the Demon Lord would have a lot of information in his head, but he could have defenses against such a thing.

Among the options I presented, Astral Projection would probably be the best bet... though that could leave her body vulnerable. Perhaps a spell to summon some form of astral companion that can scout and relay information to her would be better. Perhaps see through its eyes and hear what it hears if she concentrates just right, and communicate orders to it as well. That might only take some modification of the Communication spell to include.

The thing is that using it as a power source means that to use her abilities, she's going to need to call upon more and more of it - meaning, of course, that it'll be increasingly difficult to not let it cloud her judgement.
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Possibly, but the particular emotion chosen will be invested in the particular spell she's developing. She needs a powerful emotion to ensure the spell is powerful enough to work, and this is the most powerful one she's got right now. If detesting feet is enough to power lightening, then perhaps she can simply channel her hatred of a single aspect of the Demon Lord into the spell? That would be less risky, but still powerful, and if needed she could use other aspects of her hate for him into future spells.

Actually, now that I think of it she does not necessarily need to invest that emotion yet. She should save it for when she needs something truly powerful. For now, her strong desire for freedom might work well.
 
Mizuki00 said:
Damn you Skewfiend! I was planning to be the first to use the girl's name since I suggested it to her. Oh well, it is sad that you beat me to it. Kinda have to agree with Enjou here. Maybe you get to turn into a witch or a magical girl when you use the despair thing. Oh... wait... you're already a magical girl. I guess you turn into a hax witch then~

Also, thank you for accepting my suggestion for your name, Fuyu. It warms my heart~
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I gotta say, despair is almost by definition not an empowering emotion. Believing that nothing can be done is not conducive to getting shit done.
No good will come off trying to power a spell with your despair, as as soon as it starts looking like it might work, your despair will begin to fade, robbing it of its power.

The transformative effect of being driven to despair, and resolving never to return might give you strength, but trying to embrace despair and do anything useful is not going to get you anywhere.

Also: Enjou and o3o are jousting again. Hands up everyone who is surprised!
Yeah, me neither. :3
 
Skewfiend said:
I gotta say, despair is almost by definition not an empowering emotion. Believing that nothing can be done is not conducive to getting shit done.
No good will come off trying to power a spell with your despair, as as soon as it starts looking like it might work, your despair will begin to fade, robbing it of its power.

The transformative effect of being driven to despair, and resolving never to return might give you strength, but trying to embrace despair and do anything useful is not going to get you anywhere.

Also: Enjou and o3o are jousting again. Hands up everyone who is surprised!
Yeah, me neither. :3
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I'm a hotblooded guy who's alignment is heroic good™. He's trying to convince her to give into hate. What do you expect will happen? On the bright side, putting that particular line down, we're working together to brainstorm spells...

Enjou said:
Possibly, but messing with time in either direction can be tricky - the cost of such power is often insanity, and she needs to hold on to what she's got. Mind reading may be worthwhile, since the Demon Lord would have a lot of information in his head, but he could have defenses against such a thing.
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And there's always the possibility that we won't want to see what's in his head - eldritch monstrosities, traps, and so on. Problem is that a bridge is two ways. I was more thinking that rather then looking at her past, she could look at an alternate dimension that just so happens to be similar, but later? I don't really know how to word it... and weren't you the one pushing to drive her insane? :p
Among the options I presented, Astral Projection would probably be the best bet... though that could leave her body vulnerable. Perhaps a spell to summon some form of astral companion that can scout and relay information to her would be better. Perhaps see through its eyes and hear what it hears if she concentrates just right, and communicate orders to it as well. That might only take some modification of the Communication spell to include.
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Perhaps a scrying orb?

Possibly, but the particular emotion chosen will be invested in the particular spell she's developing. She needs a powerful emotion to ensure the spell is powerful enough to work, and this is the most powerful one she's got right now. If detesting feet is enough to power lightening, then perhaps she can simply channel her hatred of a single aspect of the Demon Lord into the spell? That would be less risky, but still powerful, and if needed she could use other aspects of her hate for him into future spells.
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I hate to suggest it, but...fear, perhaps? A bit of fear can be healthy, and thematically, fear works well for trying to examine your surroundings. Security and whatnot. I'm seeing hatred as more of a "blow up everything around you for a few miles" type of spell.
Actually, now that I think of it she does not necessarily need to invest that emotion yet. She should save it for when she needs something truly powerful. For now, her strong desire for freedom might work well.
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...desperation, maybe? I'm sure she wants out of the room.
 
It looks to me like we are conflating hatred and anger. These are not the same thing.

Hatred is completely negative and static feeling one feels for the truly despised.
It is more dependable source of power, yet it is suited mostly to destruction.

Anger is a more dynamic emotion. It ebbs and flows. It comes on bursts as well as streams. It is something you can feel towards your friends as well as enemies. It is a catalyst of change and not just destruction.
It is not something felt for the despised, but for those who have truly wronged you.
In this dynamism it is also less easily broken than hatred is, even if the energies are less constant and predictable.
Enjou said:
For now, her strong desire for freedom might work well.
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It sounds to me like she doesn't truly desire freedom.
What is there for her to go back to but the tombstones of her friends and the perceived scorn of their shades?

She doesn't want to go anywhere, she just wants to leave.
Too bad leaving is not possible without going.
Is it any wonder then, that her teleports are messed up?

What she truly desires is the death of the demon. She even told us so.

As for the pastwatch/astral projection/precognition, what emotion would you propose to base those on?
Peace of the grave might work for astral but I doubt she would want to do that.
She has no memories to base true regret or nostalgia on and very little hope.

As for mindreading a Demon Lord..That is at least as dangerous as a direct confrontation.
I am not against it as it might resolve some things (if I am right about them being the same person)


Dear Girl, would you mind telling us what emotions you use for your current spells?
 
That said, I doubt that there is anything left within a few miles that she would mind blowing up. He was rather thorough from what I heard.
 
Thing is any information gathering is going to be a lot more complicated than a disjunction or even a blast of chaos-energy. Lot more moving parts that need to be controlled and info-flow back and forth.

Not to mention that the girl is unlikely to want to see.
Keep in mind who our caster is here. She is slowly eroding and doesn't have unlimited time for careful plans.
 
There are no safe courses of action left. All delays cost sanity, and risk the ol' boy returning.
Disjoin all magic and walk out the now mundane door, I say.
 
Her mind is eroding because she's locked in a room, is being denied any and all information that is helpful, and is being tormented by the Demon Lord. The former two are the main problems. Having something to do and information to plan with should give her stability. Blasting randomly is stupid and reckless and will likely do far more harm than good.
 
That may well be, but you should realise that in her position caution is also stupid and reckless. She is completely at the mercy of an enemy who has none.

If information can be safely gathered in a reasonable amount of time, then it may well be worth it, but taking the time to invent a spell to examine her surroundings, then invent another to escape is going to leave her dangerously vulnerable. Especially if he returns at an inopportune juncture, and cathces on.
 
The enemy does not appear to be in any rush - his plans for her appear to be long term. So long as she holds onto her sanity, she should have time to plan, and so long as she's not completely helpless she should hold onto her sanity. Since she's apparently no longer completely helpless, she does have time.

As far as him coming at an inopportune juncture, that's always a risk. She seems to be able to sense when he's coming anyways, so it's a minimal risk.
 
Actually, this may serve as a compromise: what about using the fear of danger and desperation to be hurt no longer to fuel an ethereality spell? (invisibility + intangibility, walking through walls, etc.)
She has those emotions in spades, and this spell would allow her to perform some low-risk reconnaisance into her surroundings, and escape without raising the alarm if it is safe.
Info and escape in a single spell, unless the walls are warded against that, which they might well be.
 
I would be hesitant to try to walk through the walls considering how the room is messing with her teleportation spell.
 
If it could be applied to an object first as a test, that would be best.

Frankly the fact that the wards seem to be warded against everything is what motivated me to go for disjunction in the first place. They seem to subvert all magic, so just getting rid of the bastards was the best way that I could think of of escaping.

Did you have any ideas of an info gathering spell that would bypass the wards? In the absence of one, arguing for info gathering is futile.

Also, Fuyu try to teleport the door before getting fancy. You never know your luck.
 
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I have grown so used to locking horns with you here @Enjou, that it still startles me when I see you being helpful in other threads.
 
YOU DARE DOUBT THE POWER OF SCIENCE?! PRAY TO WHATEVER GODS YOU BELIEVE IN THAT THE ALMIGHTY GOD OF KNOWLEDGE GU'UGEL DOES NOT SMITE YOU FROM HIS HOLY PLACE. YOU DARE DOUBT THE POWERS OF SCIENCE?! IF YOUR MAGIC WAS NOT ENOUGH TO SAVE YOU WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IT IS OF ANY USE RIGHT NOW?! WOULD YOU KEEP GOING ON A PATH ALREADY PROVEN TO FAIL, WHEN YOU CAN LOOK AROUND YOU AND SEE THE POWERS OF NATURE WORK THEIR OWN LAWS, FOREVER UNCHANGING AND UNBENDABLE?! DO YOU NOT WISH TO UNDERSTAND?! YOU HAVE YOUR MAGIC, AND YOU SAY MAGIC IS MOSTLY SELF TAUGHT, SO LOOK AROUND YOU, SEE THE LAWS NATURE LAYS DOWN FOR ALL TO OBEY, STUDY THEM, REPLICATE THEM, ENFORCE THEM. DO NOT RELY ON THE POWERS OF DOES WHO FAILED BEFORE YOU, INSTEAD, OBSERVE THE NATURAL WORLD AROUND YOU, QUESTION EVERYTHING. WHAT IS IT YOU THINK THAT PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM JUST JUMPING AND FLYING AROUND? PERHAPS IT IS THE WIND THAT PUSHES PEOPLE BACK ONTO THE GROUND WHEN THEY ATTEMPT TO LEAVE THE GROUND, OR IS IT SOME OTHER FORCE, SOME OTHER ELEMENT THAT KEEPS YOUR FEET ON THE GROUND. QUESTION EVERYTHING, FIND LOOPHOLES IN THE LAWS OF NATURE, AND MOST OF ALL, REMEMBER TO QUESTION EVERYTHING. ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING.
 
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