Whispers from the Deep - Biplanes & Bisexuality

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    Isabelle Morgenthau
    A Fisher

    Isa (right) and her boyfriend Arren (left)

    Hard Keen Calm Daring Wild
    +4 -2 +4 +1 -1
    Moves
    Creepy: When a comrade sees you perform a ritual, overhears your prayers, or sees signs of your alienness, they lose Trust in you. Once they learn one of your Moves, they are no longer affected, but they gain Creepy as well.
    Deep Ones: You can call on your patrons to Help you on a roll. On a 1, you Break after this mission.
    Blessing: When you dab fresh blood on a piece of working equipment, roll +Calm. On a 16+, take both. On an 11-15, choose 1.
    • Take +1 Ongoing with this item this Routine. (+1 Handling for a plane)
    • The item cannot break or be lost this Routine. (+1 Armour on 1 Section of the Plane.)
    On a miss, you need a bigger sacrifice. Don't disappoint.
    Ideomotor Response: Your plane effectively has a programmable autopilot. It does not have to be switched on and off; it "knows" when you are behind the controls.
    Soul-Bound: When you paint a rune in blood on an aircraft, you are linked. While in flight, you can take incoming Structure damage as Stress, 1-1. You can take a hit that would strike a Component as Injury, or give incoming Injury to your Engine.
    Bond: (Witch move learned from Wulf) When you hold an object of significance and make an emotional connection to it, take 1 Stress. The object becomes a magical Focus, and you learn it's Nature (Earth, Air, Water, Fire, Iron, or Blood).
    Contemplation: When you draw a ritual circle and stay within it, roll +Calm. On a 16+, you come out of it about an hour later refreshed; strike 3 Stress or 2 Injury. On an 11-15, it takes the whole night, and you're unreachable in that time.

    Mastery
    The Bushwack
    Ambush Predator: When you strike an enemy who is unaware of your presence, roll with Advantage.
    Forced Evade: When you fire to scare an opponent off, spend 1 ammo and roll +Hard. On a hit, instead of dealing damage, choose one: Target dives 1, target climbs 1, target loses speed in a forced turn. On a 16+, roll attack dice on them anyway.
    Momentum: When you dive onto a target, add +1 AP.
    Scissors Snip: When you disengage, give an ally +3 towards dealing with your target.

    Familiar Vices
    - Drinking
    - Prayer
    - Dancing

    Vice Progress
    - Breaking Stuff: ☑☐☐
    - Cannabis: ☑☐☐

    Intimacy Move
    When you are intimate with another, choose one of you to get a hold. They can spend that hold to give the other a command: if followed, then forward to their next +Stat move, they will always score at least a partial hit, regardless of what the dice say.

    If you use this move in the air, there are two holds, and they can be distributed however you agree.

    The Company
    People
    • Isabelle (Fisher): The PC. She's out to find her way in the world. 1 thaler per Routine.
    • Arren (NPC- Confidant/Observer): Your cute fish boyfriend. Artist and recently trained observer. 1 thaler per Routine.
    • Wulf (Witch): Former bandit leader. Actually half wolf. Hot as hell. Ex-Goth. 1 thaler per Routine.
      • Hard +3, Keen +3, Calm -2, Daring +0, Wild +3 (Avenger)
    • Minna Hammerl (Soldier): Inexperienced but highly trained soldier and passionate duelist. Speaks all formal-like. The most beautiful woman in the world. 1 thaler per Routine.
      • Hard +4, Keen +1, Calm +2, Daring -2 (Professional)
    • Heinrich Engel (Student): Political science student working on his thesis-slash-manifesto.
    • Anny Meldgaard (NPC - Mechanic): A young half-Fischer, half-Himmilvolk woman from Piav, trained by the mechanics there. Looking for adventure and her origins. Blushes red?
    Aircraft
    • Isa & Arren's Plane: A Teicher Möwen seaplane. Steel frame, liquid-cooled engine. Deeply possessed. 1 thaler per Routine.
    • Fang Howl: Wulf's helicopter. An experimental pre-war model. Liquid-cooled radial. Three wolf moon. 1 thaler per Routine.
    • Pup: Wulf's Kreuzer Skorpion prototype retrieved from a sealed hanger. Gets a lot out of an underpowered engine.
    • Minna's Kobra: An inline-engine powered, wood framed fighter. All around an excellent machine. 1 thaler per Routine.
    • Heinrich's Reconstruction: A canard plane with a 30mm cannon in the nose. Awkward and unstable but hits like a train. 1 thaller per Routine.
    ​
    Stress XP
    3 7
    ​
    Cash Expenses
    41 10.5
     
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    • open_sketchbook said:
    She's at exactly 5 Stress thanks to getting shot in the butt.
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    Wonderful. Am I correct in believing that stress clears at the end of the night and not when you actually indulge the vice?
    Adhoc vote count started by brmj on Mar 13, 2019 at 2:29 AM, finished with 4057 posts and 5 votes.
    • [X] Plan: First Thoughts
      -[X] Indulge in prayer as a vice (with Arren, if he's willing).
      --[X] Do something else with him (tattoos?) if he'd prefer
      -[X] Confirm if Messingwerks wants to punish Abigail, and then get her out of town (especially if they want her dead)
      --[X] Talk to Abigail about her plans. Try to convince her to leave the Talons and combat work altogether
      --[X] Ask Minna if she would accept Abigail as a cargo pilot. If so, put that issue to a vote among the circus.
      --[X] If Minna or the circus doesn't want her, try to get Abigail a job on the zeppelin. Point out that they could use someone who knows the area.
      -[X] Go shopping for a lighter handgun, or "[a] replacement parachute, gun sights, miniaturized radios, or a better engine for Wulf's plane"
      --[X] Keep an eye out for embroidery stuff or anything Minna could do while lying on her front.
      --[X] Look for artist supplies for Arren, if he needs any (and use it as an excuse to talk with him, if necessary)
      -[X] Ask Minna if she knows what Greinfenburg did to towns like Abigail's.
      --[X] Try to ease Minna into the idea that her hometown does bad stuff.
      [X] Plan I didn't want to have to make a plan and may have gotten carried away
      -[X] First things first, send a telegraph to Piav to let people know we are alright if Arren didn't already do it. They should see about getting paid, handle any repairs and such they may need to, and otherwise take a little time to recover. Precise plans about who meets who where are yet to be determined; look for another telegram later.
      -[X] Next, get some breakfast. If Minna is getting around well enough for it, take Arren and Minna. Otherwise, go with Arren, bring back food for Minna, and eat together. Use this as an opportunity to debrief a little bit and get a better idea of what happened in the battle.
      -[X] Go for a walk with Arren. See the sights, such as they are. This much industry is impressive in its way, and is unfamiliar to us, but also get a feel for what the town is like. Beyond that, spend some time just talking to Arren. We both could have very easily died and had every reason to fear that the other had. That isn't the kind of thing that just goes away.
      --[X] Minna might want to check in on the repairs or something, but is otherwise free to do what she wants. This might be a good time to indulge one of her vices. Maybe frame it as "do this task for us, then your time is your own until we meet back up around lunch time." She seems to still not quite know what to do with herself without any structure at all, so that might help.
      -[X] Find somewhere appropriately secluded to pray together for a while, but try and be done in time for lunch.
      -[X] Before lunch, quickly check in with Abagail. See how she's feeling, make sure there's no trouble in particular with the town, offer to pay for her medical bills (we did shoot her when she was trying to surrender, after all.)
      --[X] Perhaps gently inquire about what she wants to do now, but don't make any offers or push for details. We only want to get her thinking about what she wants to do with her life rather than rejoining the red talons by default. This is maybe planting the seeds for a later offer, but that would be premature right now.
      --[X] Bring up the Minna situation. There are two aspects to this: Minna has to know the truth, and Abigail did stab her that one time, after all. Is she prepared to apologize for the stabbing? If we can get Minna ready to hear it, would Abagail be prepared to tell her story?
      -[X] Lunch with Minna and Arren.
      --[X] Initial conversation topics should be practical and non-threatening: how the repairs are going, how soon we expect to be back in action, any reply telegraphs from Piav, useful purchases we might want to make, etc. The secondary purpose of this is to reinforce to Minna that we value her opinion, and that we are trying to be more responsible.
      -[X] Now the hard part. Take Minna aside after lunch for that necessary but unpleasant conversation, or at least part 1.
      --[X] Make it clear that there is a reason we are doing this, and that it is important, but start of with an abstract and logical approach: just because her home did something a certain way, does not make it right or optimal. Her identity doesn't have to be so closely tied to where she grew up that any criticism of them is an attack on her. If there are problems with the community she grew up in, that doesn't require a wholesale rejection of the good and useful things she got from it, but it might be worth thinking carefully about anything that didn't sit well with her growing up.
      --[X] Once that's gotten through, or if it looks like it is putting her on the defensive or otherwise doing more harm than good, move on. Some disturbing information has come to light, and she deserves to know. With this context, we think we have an idea why they made her leave. But she really needs to just listen to this and give it a fair hearing. She needs the context. Try and get her to promise.
      --[X] How much does she know about the missions they didn't take her on back home? About their relations with the neighboring communities? Especially with whatever Abigail's village was called? If she talks about "protecting" them, what happens if they didn't pay? Gently try to get her to draw the right conclusions. She's smart, she just has some blind spots. It might be useful to use the language of war crimes in teasing this out once some real progress is being made.
      --[X] The Red Talon pilot we captured was the one who attacked her. She grew up in INSERT_TOWN_NAME_HERE, and a soldier from Greifenburg killer her mother in front of her for the crime of trying to protect her sister. She saw her uniform, and came to the wrong conclusion. When she found out that Minna had nothing to do with the cruelty and abuse, and her actual circumstances, she was devastated. (This next bit assuming Abagail responded how I think she would: ) She would like to apologize.
      --[X] Now, the reason: we suspect that at least some elements of the leadership didn't think she was what they wanted in their combat pilots. Not because of her skills, which are beyond reproach, not even mostly because of the ways she is different from most other people, but because she wouldn't have tolerated being complicit in their war crimes. She's better than that. A better person, and a better soldier than that. This is laying it on a little thick and, if not stretching the truth, framing it in the most useful possible light and emphasizing the parts we want to emphasize, but it isn't a lie. Minna would probably have been too by-the-book and not hateful enough for some of the stuff they got up to to sit well with her, and even if she would have probably followed orders in the end, it would have been a source of friction on all sides for sure. And clearly there's more too it around her particular psychology and how it fits into that kind of environment, but a lot of that is going to end up manifesting in things like this.
      --[X] Finally, if she is up to it, Minna deserves to hear the whole story from Abigail. Ask now rather than when Abigail is present, to avoid unnecessary awkwardness if the answer is no. Is she does agree, just ask that she listen and give it a fair hearing without getting too defensive. She's better than the people who killed Abigail's mom, even if she wore the same uniform, and she doesn't need to lump herself in with them.
      -[X] If that went reasonably well, give her a little bit to calm down (and do what we can to make it easier), then take her to see Abigail when she is ready. Have Arren present for that, both as added support and because having someone uninjured and bigger and stronger than us on hand might be good if it goes super badly.
      --[X] First the apology, then the story. Try and keep Minna calm, but listening. See where things go from there and re-evaluate after.
      --[X] If Minna would like to talk with us alone after for a bit, do that. In any case, she probably has a lot to think over.
      -[X] Let Minna think it over alone. This is probably a pretty good time for her to stim as well. While she's doing that, go shopping with Arren to kill some time. Maybe talk about about what just happened.
      --[X] Shopping list:
      ---[X] Basics: a gun that is practical for use without Wulf hands. A small compass and some means to start a fire that can be kept on our person when flying in case we ever end up in that situation again.
      ---[X] Fancy stuff: We don't actually expect to find any of this, but might get lucky. It's worth a look, since prices ought to be cheap if any of it is available. A replacement parachute (more if possible, one for Arren and then the rest of our squadron if there are even more than that), gun sights, miniaturized radios, a better engine for Wulf's plane, ram air turbines to replace other electrical sources, automatic variable propellers and any type of starter that can be fit to our engine, but especially ones that won't impact performance.
      ---[X] Aircraft: are there any combat aircraft for sale? Not seriously looking, but it would be good to know what's on the market depending on how things go with Abigail.
      ---[X] Luxuries. Art supplies for Arren. Depending on what type of copper ore they have locally, there may even be some interesting blue and green pigments available. If there are interesting local handicrafts, maybe try and find something nice for Wulf.
      -[X] The plane-ghost did good work today. Could Isa check in with him? See if he's happy? (Note: feel free to place this elsewhere if the ordering would make more narrative sense)
      -[X] Check in with Minna. See how she's taking things. If she's taking them well, and Abigail gave any hint she might be looking for work, cautiously see if Minna would be up for working with her either as the pilot of the cargo plane, or eventually as a combat pilot when another plane becomes available or if a mission calls for everything we've got, including the helicopter. If it seems like she strongly objects, don't push it.
      -[X] If Minna was okay with it, talk to Abigail and see if she's interested in flying for us either non-combat or eventually/occasionally combat, with the understanding that this is the sort of thing the rest of the squadron has to weigh in on.
      -[X] If Abigail wants to join, or if we found things we wanted to buy that are too big to fly back with, send a telegram to Piav explaining the situation and having everyone fly over here tomorrow. Otherwise, send one saying we will be returning tomorrow.
      -[X] With all that out of the way, try and have a nice evening with Arren. See about some (slow, careful) dancing if we are up for it, as nice a dinner as this place can provide, etc. Nothing more than that, though, and we have to call it a night pretty early: we've got a lot on our mind and we'd like to talk it over with the deep ones tonight. Apologize for not being able to devote as much time to him as he deserves right now.
      -[X] Go into Contemplation.
      [X] Plan: First Thoughts
      -[X] Indulge in prayer as a vice (with Arren, if he's willing).
      --[X] Do something else with him (tattoos?) if he'd prefer
      -[X] Confirm if Messingwerks wants to punish Abigail, and then get her out of town (especially if they want her dead)
      --[X] Talk to Abigail about her plans. Try to convince her to leave the Talons and combat work altogether
      --[X] Ask Minna if she would accept Abigail as a cargo pilot. If so, put that issue to a vote among the circus.
      --[X] If Minna or the circus doesn't want her, try to get Abigail a job on the zeppelin. Point out that they could use someone who knows the area.
      -[X] Go shopping for a lighter handgun, or "[a] replacement parachute, gun sights, miniaturized radios, or a better engine for Wulf's plane"
      --[X] Keep an eye out for embroidery stuff or anything Minna could do while lying on her front.
      --[X] Look for artist supplies for Arren, if he needs any (and use it as an excuse to talk with him, if necessary)
      -[X] Ask Minna if she knows what Greinfenburg did to towns like Abigail's.
      --[X] Try to ease Minna into the idea that her hometown does bad stuff.
      -[X] The plane-ghost did good work today. Could Isa check in with him? See if he's happy?
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    The good news is that butt shots are the best ones to take assuming you don't get gangrene.

    Then you might lose your butt. That would be kind of sad.
     
    [X] Plan: First Thoughts

    I want to make a 'tear a new butt hole' joke here but i don't want to be an ass. ;)
     
    @open_sketchbook: My apologies. This is a super long plan, much longer than is really desireable, but the Minna situation needed to be handled with delicacy that required some length.

    I'm still not entirely happy with my handling of it, and if anyone better at social vote-crafting wants to offer suggestions, I would appreciate them. But it needed to be handled fully, and handled now. Takeing steps towards maybe someday eventually handling it isn't good enough.

    [X] Plan I didn't want to have to make a plan and may have gotten carried away
    -[X] First things first, send a telegraph to Piav to let people know we are alright if Arren didn't already do it. They should see about getting paid, handle any repairs and such they may need to, and otherwise take a little time to recover. Precise plans about who meets who where are yet to be determined; look for another telegram later.
    -[X] Next, get some breakfast. If Minna is getting around well enough for it, take Arren and Minna. Otherwise, go with Arren, bring back food for Minna, and eat together. Use this as an opportunity to debrief a little bit and get a better idea of what happened in the battle.
    -[X] Go for a walk with Arren. See the sights, such as they are. This much industry is impressive in its way, and is unfamiliar to us, but also get a feel for what the town is like. Beyond that, spend some time just talking to Arren. We both could have very easily died and had every reason to fear that the other had. That isn't the kind of thing that just goes away.
    --[X] Minna might want to check in on the repairs or something, but is otherwise free to do what she wants. This might be a good time to indulge one of her vices. Maybe frame it as "do this task for us, then your time is your own until we meet back up around lunch time." She seems to still not quite know what to do with herself without any structure at all, so that might help.
    -[X] Find somewhere appropriately secluded to pray together for a while, but try and be done in time for lunch.
    -[X] Before lunch, quickly check in with Abagail. See how she's feeling, make sure there's no trouble in particular with the town, offer to pay for her medical bills (we did shoot her when she was trying to surrender, after all.)
    --[X] Perhaps gently inquire about what she wants to do now, but don't make any offers or push for details. We only want to get her thinking about what she wants to do with her life rather than rejoining the red talons by default. This is maybe planting the seeds for a later offer, but that would be premature right now.
    --[X] Bring up the Minna situation. There are two aspects to this: Minna has to know the truth, and Abigail did stab her that one time, after all. Is she prepared to apologize for the stabbing? If we can get Minna ready to hear it, would Abagail be prepared to tell her story?
    -[X] Lunch with Minna and Arren.
    --[X] Initial conversation topics should be practical and non-threatening: how the repairs are going, how soon we expect to be back in action, any reply telegraphs from Piav, useful purchases we might want to make, etc. The secondary purpose of this is to reinforce to Minna that we value her opinion, and that we are trying to be more responsible.
    -[X] Now the hard part. Take Minna aside after lunch for that necessary but unpleasant conversation, or at least part 1.
    --[X] Make it clear that there is a reason we are doing this, and that it is important, but start of with an abstract and logical approach: just because her home did something a certain way, does not make it right or optimal. Her identity doesn't have to be so closely tied to where she grew up that any criticism of them is an attack on her. If there are problems with the community she grew up in, that doesn't require a wholesale rejection of the good and useful things she got from it, but it might be worth thinking carefully about anything that didn't sit well with her growing up.
    --[X] Once that's gotten through, or if it looks like it is putting her on the defensive or otherwise doing more harm than good, move on. Some disturbing information has come to light, and she deserves to know. With this context, we think we have an idea why they made her leave. But she really needs to just listen to this and give it a fair hearing. She needs the context. Try and get her to promise.
    --[X] How much does she know about the missions they didn't take her on back home? About their relations with the neighboring communities? Especially with whatever Abigail's village was called? If she talks about "protecting" them, what happens if they didn't pay? Gently try to get her to draw the right conclusions. She's smart, she just has some blind spots. It might be useful to use the language of war crimes in teasing this out once some real progress is being made.
    --[X] The Red Talon pilot we captured was the one who attacked her. She grew up in INSERT_TOWN_NAME_HERE, and a soldier from Greifenburg killer her mother in front of her for the crime of trying to protect her sister. She saw her uniform, and came to the wrong conclusion. When she found out that Minna had nothing to do with the cruelty and abuse, and her actual circumstances, she was devastated. (This next bit assuming Abagail responded how I think she would: ) She would like to apologize.
    --[X] Now, the reason: we suspect that at least some elements of the leadership didn't think she was what they wanted in their combat pilots. Not because of her skills, which are beyond reproach, not even mostly because of the ways she is different from most other people, but because she wouldn't have tolerated being complicit in their war crimes. She's better than that. A better person, and a better soldier than that. This is laying it on a little thick and, if not stretching the truth, framing it in the most useful possible light and emphasizing the parts we want to emphasize, but it isn't a lie. Minna would probably have been too by-the-book and not hateful enough for some of the stuff they got up to to sit well with her, and even if she would have probably followed orders in the end, it would have been a source of friction on all sides for sure. And clearly there's more to it around her particular psychology and how it fits into that kind of environment, but a lot of that is going to end up manifesting in things like this.
    --[X] Finally, if she is up to it, Minna deserves to hear the whole story from Abigail. Ask now rather than when Abigail is present, to avoid unnecessary awkwardness if the answer is no. Is she does agree, just ask that she listen and give it a fair hearing without getting too defensive. She's better than the people who killed Abigail's mom, even if she wore the same uniform, and she doesn't need to lump herself in with them.
    -[X] If that went reasonably well, give her a little bit to calm down (and do what we can to make it easier), then take her to see Abigail when she is ready. Have Arren present for that, both as added support and because having someone uninjured and bigger and stronger than us on hand might be good if it goes super badly.
    --[X] First the apology, then the story. Try and keep Minna calm, but listening. See where things go from there and re-evaluate after.
    --[X] If Minna would like to talk with us alone after for a bit, do that. In any case, she probably has a lot to think over.
    -[X] Let Minna think it over alone. This is probably a pretty good time for her to stim as well. While she's doing that, go shopping with Arren to kill some time. Maybe talk about about what just happened.
    --[X] Shopping list:
    ---[X] Basics: a gun that is practical for use without Wulf hands. A small compass and some means to start a fire that can be kept on our person when flying in case we ever end up in that situation again.
    ---[X] Fancy stuff: We don't actually expect to find any of this, but might get lucky. It's worth a look, since prices ought to be cheap if any of it is available. A replacement parachute (more if possible, one for Arren and then the rest of our squadron if there are even more than that), gun sights, miniaturized radios, a better engine for Wulf's plane, ram air turbines to replace other electrical sources, automatic variable propellers and any type of starter that can be fit to our engine, but especially ones that won't impact performance.
    ---[X] Aircraft: are there any combat aircraft for sale? Not seriously looking, but it would be good to know what's on the market depending on how things go with Abigail.
    ---[X] Luxuries. Art supplies for Arren. Depending on what type of copper ore they have locally, there may even be some interesting blue and green pigments available. If there are interesting local handicrafts, maybe try and find something nice for Wulf.
    -[X] The plane-ghost did good work today. Could Isa check in with him? See if he's happy? (Note: feel free to place this elsewhere if the ordering would make more narrative sense)
    -[X] Check in with Minna. See how she's taking things. If she's taking them well, and Abigail gave any hint she might be looking for work, cautiously see if Minna would be up for working with her either as the pilot of the cargo plane, or eventually as a combat pilot when another plane becomes available or if a mission calls for everything we've got, including the helicopter. If it seems like she strongly objects, don't push it.
    -[X] If Minna was okay with it, talk to Abigail and see if she's interested in flying for us either non-combat or eventually/occasionally combat, with the understanding that this is the sort of thing the rest of the squadron has to weigh in on.
    -[X] If Abigail wants to join, or if we found things we wanted to buy that are too big to fly back with, send a telegram to Piav explaining the situation and having everyone fly over here tomorrow. Otherwise, send one saying we will be returning tomorrow.
    -[X] With all that out of the way, try and have a nice evening with Arren. See about some (slow, careful) dancing if we are up for it, as nice a dinner as this place can provide, etc. Nothing more than that, though, and we have to call it a night pretty early: we've got a lot on our mind and we'd like to talk it over with the deep ones tonight. Apologize for not being able to devote as much time to him as he deserves right now.
    -[X] Go into Contemplation.

    Edit: I'd format this somehow for easier reading, or maybe color code it or something, if I was sure that wouldn't break the vote counter. Does anyone know what exactly it will and won't tolerate?
     
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    [X] Plan I didn't want to have to make a plan and may have gotten carried away

    This vote is a bit of an abomination but after my last winning plan I have distinctly limited room to talk, and it hits most of the points I want covered at least as well as the competition, with several handled better IMO.
     
    That is certainly a plan.

    I'm going to request in the future that at any point where a plan breaks into an if-then statement basically, stop the plan there and we'll vote again with new information when we get there.
     
    brmj said:
    @open_sketchbook: My apologies. This is a super long plan, much longer than is really desireable, but the Minna situation needed to be handled with delicacy that required some length.

    I'm still not entirely happy with my handling of it, and if anyone better at social vote-crafting wants to offer suggestions, I would appreciate them. But it needed to be handled fully, and handled now. Takeing steps towards maybe someday eventually handling it isn't good enough.

    [X] Plan I didn't want to have to make a plan and may have gotten carried away
    -[X] First things first, send a telegraph to Piav to let people know we are alright if Arren didn't already do it. They should see about getting paid, handle any repairs and such they may need to, and otherwise take a little time to recover. Precise plans about who meets who where are yet to be determined; look for another telegram later.
    -[X] Next, get some breakfast. If Minna is getting around well enough for it, take Arren and Minna. Otherwise, go with Arren, bring back food for Minna, and eat together. Use this as an opportunity to debrief a little bit and get a better idea of what happened in the battle.
    -[X] Go for a walk with Arren. See the sights, such as they are. This much industry is impressive in its way, and is unfamiliar to us, but also get a feel for what the town is like. Beyond that, spend some time just talking to Arren. We both could have very easily died and had every reason to fear that the other had. That isn't the kind of thing that just goes away.
    --[X] Minna might want to check in on the repairs or something, but is otherwise free to do what she wants. This might be a good time to indulge one of her vices. Maybe frame it as "do this task for us, then your time is your own until we meet back up around lunch time." She seems to still not quite know what to do with herself without any structure at all, so that might help.
    -[X] Find somewhere appropriately secluded to pray together for a while, but try and be done in time for lunch.
    -[X] Before lunch, quickly check in with Abagail. See how she's feeling, make sure there's no trouble in particular with the town, offer to pay for her medical bills (we did shoot her when she was trying to surrender, after all.)
    --[X] Perhaps gently inquire about what she wants to do now, but don't make any offers or push for details. We only want to get her thinking about what she wants to do with her life rather than rejoining the red talons by default. This is maybe planting the seeds for a later offer, but that would be premature right now.
    --[X] Bring up the Minna situation. There are two aspects to this: Minna has to know the truth, and Abigail did stab her that one time, after all. Is she prepared to apologize for the stabbing? If we can get Minna ready to hear it, would Abagail be prepared to tell her story?
    -[X] Lunch with Minna and Arren.
    --[X] Initial conversation topics should be practical and non-threatening: how the repairs are going, how soon we expect to be back in action, any reply telegraphs from Piav, useful purchases we might want to make, etc. The secondary purpose of this is to reinforce to Minna that we value her opinion, and that we are trying to be more responsible.
    -[X] Now the hard part. Take Minna aside after lunch for that necessary but unpleasant conversation, or at least part 1.
    --[X] Make it clear that there is a reason we are doing this, and that it is important, but start of with an abstract and logical approach: just because her home did something a certain way, does not make it right or optimal. Her identity doesn't have to be so closely tied to where she grew up that any criticism of them is an attack on her. If there are problems with the community she grew up in, that doesn't require a wholesale rejection of the good and useful things she got from it, but it might be worth thinking carefully about anything that didn't sit well with her growing up.
    --[X] Once that's gotten through, or if it looks like it is putting her on the defensive or otherwise doing more harm than good, move on. Some disturbing information has come to light, and she deserves to know. With this context, we think we have an idea why they made her leave. But she really needs to just listen to this and give it a fair hearing. She needs the context. Try and get her to promise.
    --[X] How much does she know about the missions they didn't take her on back home? About their relations with the neighboring communities? Especially with whatever Abigail's village was called? If she talks about "protecting" them, what happens if they didn't pay? Gently try to get her to draw the right conclusions. She's smart, she just has some blind spots. It might be useful to use the language of war crimes in teasing this out once some real progress is being made.
    --[X] The Red Talon pilot we captured was the one who attacked her. She grew up in INSERT_TOWN_NAME_HERE, and a soldier from Greifenburg killer her mother in front of her for the crime of trying to protect her sister. She saw her uniform, and came to the wrong conclusion. When she found out that Minna had nothing to do with the cruelty and abuse, and her actual circumstances, she was devastated. (This next bit assuming Abagail responded how I think she would: ) She would like to apologize.
    --[X] Now, the reason: we suspect that at least some elements of the leadership didn't think she was what they wanted in their combat pilots. Not because of her skills, which are beyond reproach, not even mostly because of the ways she is different from most other people, but because she wouldn't have tolerated being complicit in their war crimes. She's better than that. A better person, and a better soldier than that. This is laying it on a little thick and, if not stretching the truth, framing it in the most useful possible light and emphasizing the parts we want to emphasize, but it isn't a lie. Minna would probably have been too by-the-book and not hateful enough for some of the stuff they got up to to sit well with her, and even if she would have probably followed orders in the end, it would have been a source of friction on all sides for sure. And clearly there's more to it around her particular psychology and how it fits into that kind of environment, but a lot of that is going to end up manifesting in things like this.
    --[X] Finally, if she is up to it, Minna deserves to hear the whole story from Abigail. Ask now rather than when Abigail is present, to avoid unnecessary awkwardness if the answer is no. Is she does agree, just ask that she listen and give it a fair hearing without getting too defensive. She's better than the people who killed Abigail's mom, even if she wore the same uniform, and she doesn't need to lump herself in with them.
    -[X] If that went reasonably well, give her a little bit to calm down (and do what we can to make it easier), then take her to see Abigail when she is ready. Have Arren present for that, both as added support and because having someone uninjured and bigger and stronger than us on hand might be good if it goes super badly.
    --[X] First the apology, then the story. Try and keep Minna calm, but listening. See where things go from there and re-evaluate after.
    --[X] If Minna would like to talk with us alone after for a bit, do that. In any case, she probably has a lot to think over.
    -[X] Let Minna think it over alone. This is probably a pretty good time for her to stim as well. While she's doing that, go shopping with Arren to kill some time. Maybe talk about about what just happened.
    --[X] Shopping list:
    ---[X] Basics: a gun that is practical for use without Wulf hands. A small compass and some means to start a fire that can be kept on our person when flying in case we ever end up in that situation again.
    ---[X] Fancy stuff: We don't actually expect to find any of this, but might get lucky. It's worth a look, since prices ought to be cheap if any of it is available. A replacement parachute (more if possible, one for Arren and then the rest of our squadron if there are even more than that), gun sights, miniaturized radios, a better engine for Wulf's plane, ram air turbines to replace other electrical sources, automatic variable propellers and any type of starter that can be fit to our engine, but especially ones that won't impact performance.
    ---[X] Aircraft: are there any combat aircraft for sale? Not seriously looking, but it would be good to know what's on the market depending on how things go with Abigail.
    ---[X] Luxuries. Art supplies for Arren. Depending on what type of copper ore they have locally, there may even be some interesting blue and green pigments available. If there are interesting local handicrafts, maybe try and find something nice for Wulf.
    -[X] The plane-ghost did good work today. Could Isa check in with him? See if he's happy? (Note: feel free to place this elsewhere if the ordering would make more narrative sense)
    -[X] Check in with Minna. See how she's taking things. If she's taking them well, and Abigail gave any hint she might be looking for work, cautiously see if Minna would be up for working with her either as the pilot of the cargo plane, or eventually as a combat pilot when another plane becomes available or if a mission calls for everything we've got, including the helicopter. If it seems like she strongly objects, don't push it.
    -[X] If Minna was okay with it, talk to Abigail and see if she's interested in flying for us either non-combat or eventually/occasionally combat, with the understanding that this is the sort of thing the rest of the squadron has to weigh in on.
    -[X] If Abigail wants to join, or if we found things we wanted to buy that are too big to fly back with, send a telegram to Piav explaining the situation and having everyone fly over here tomorrow. Otherwise, send one saying we will be returning tomorrow.
    -[X] With all that out of the way, try and have a nice evening with Arren. See about some (slow, careful) dancing if we are up for it, as nice a dinner as this place can provide, etc. Nothing more than that, though, and we have to call it a night pretty early: we've got a lot on our mind and we'd like to talk it over with the deep ones tonight. Apologize for not being able to devote as much time to him as he deserves right now.
    -[X] Go into Contemplation.

    Edit: I'd format this somehow for easier reading, or maybe color code it or something, if I was sure that wouldn't break the vote counter. Does anyone know what exactly it will and won't tolerate?
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    That plan is bigger than some updates. I'm actually scared to vote for it.

    [X] Plan: First Thoughts
     
    open_sketchbook said:
    Surviving, making distance, and recovering from trauma and abuse in a community of more understanding people has become like, The Theme of this story. I basically realized the moment there was a pilot on the ground that there was a chance for this person to join the crew, and the nebulous knowledge that this person probably did not have a happy story crystallized. Even if she doesn't, that theme will be maintained.
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    brmj said:
    Finally, a thought I had as I was reading about the central themes of this quest really stuck with me: For every person escaping from a horrible situation or recovering from a traumatic past who ends up joining a flying circus, how many more are there in the same situation who didn't have the right skills or an expensive fighter to fly away in? It's a sobering thought.
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    Is it bad that I see these and want the Minnows to run across a Survivor where the toxic environment and coping strategies that are ultimately harmful in the long run are very literal, and the whole reason they fly is to get enough money to go back and get everybody else out?
     
    open_sketchbook said:
    (She sadly rationalizes this stuff with some internalized misogyny).
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    Sigh. Figures. Huh, Abigail has a lot more going on gender-wise than I thought. I had assumed that she just thought those clothes were comfy and/or practical.

    open_sketchbook said:
    Because having a pastoral Germanic fantasy setting that doesn't explicitly have Jewish or Roma people in it is... well, you know, Nazi propaganda, and further failing to recognize the ways that German society was hostile to these elements even without the Nazis in charge being *right-wing revisionist* propaganda...
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    Excellent point.... Now I'm wondering when Roma people first came to Europe. *quick google* Wow, they may have arrived as early as the 6th century. They were definitely established by the 14th.

    Huh, also, I'd always heard that Jewish diaspora didn't really spread into Europe until after the Second Temple was destroyed. However, some scholars argue that it was already well underway by then. [/Historical Trivia]

    open_sketchbook said:
    Rishonim [-snip-] are the folks that were in Himmilgard first
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    Simon_Jester said:
    Hm. That is interestingly different from IRL Jews.
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    That is interesting. Until now, I'd thought the Rishonim were something like the Basque people (who may have been the original inhabitants of northern Spain and southern France), who ended up getting conquered by Carthage, Rome, the Visigoths, etc.

    open_sketchbook said:
    Wulf was essentially coerced into sexually assaulting somebody at gunpoint, resulting in basically a mass of guilt, emotional disengagement, dysphoria, self-hatred, and warped sexual expression barely shambling along because of the love of people willing to help her.
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    Okay. New plan, Wulf gets all the hugs (or respectful distance) she wants. C'mon everyone, let's retire the circus and become professional Wulf-huggers (or Wulf-respectful-distance-providers).
     
    Since I gather that the length is the main issue people have with it, I think I'll resubmit the first chunk of it with the understanding that it would end in a vote for what happens next.

    [X] Plan much shorter this time
    -[X] First things first, send a telegraph to Piav to let people know we are alright if Arren didn't already do it. They should see about getting paid, handle any repairs and such they may need to, and otherwise take a little time to recover. Precise plans about who meets who where are yet to be determined; look for another telegram later.
    -[X] Next, get some breakfast. If Minna is getting around well enough for it, take Arren and Minna. Otherwise, go with Arren, bring back food for Minna, and eat together. Use this as an opportunity to debrief a little bit and get a better idea of what happened in the battle.
    -[X] Go for a walk with Arren. See the sights, such as they are. This much industry is impressive in its way, and is unfamiliar to us, but also get a feel for what the town is like. Beyond that, spend some time just talking to Arren. We both could have very easily died and had every reason to fear that the other had. That isn't the kind of thing that just goes away.
    --[X] Minna might want to check in on the repairs or something, but is otherwise free to do what she wants. This might be a good time to indulge one of her vices. Maybe frame it as "do this task for us, then your time is your own until we meet back up around lunch time." She seems to still not quite know what to do with herself without any structure at all, so that might help.
    -[X] Find somewhere appropriately secluded to pray together for a while, but try and be done in time for lunch.
    -[X] Before lunch, quickly check in with Abagail. See how she's feeling, make sure there's no trouble in particular with the town, offer to pay for her medical bills (we did shoot her when she was trying to surrender, after all.)
    --[X] Perhaps gently inquire about what she wants to do now, but don't make any offers or push for details. We only want to get her thinking about what she wants to do with her life rather than rejoining the red talons by default. This is maybe planting the seeds for a later offer, but that would be premature right now.
    --[X] Bring up the Minna situation. There are two aspects to this: Minna has to know the truth, and Abigail did stab her that one time, after all. Is she prepared to apologize for the stabbing? If we can get Minna ready to hear it, would Abagail be prepared to tell her story?
    -[X] Break for vote on the plan for lunch and the difficult conversation with Minna.
    Adhoc vote count started by brmj on Mar 13, 2019 at 7:13 PM, finished with 4071 posts and 10 votes.
    • [X] Plan much shorter this time
      -[X] First things first, send a telegraph to Piav to let people know we are alright if Arren didn't already do it. They should see about getting paid, handle any repairs and such they may need to, and otherwise take a little time to recover. Precise plans about who meets who where are yet to be determined; look for another telegram later.
      -[X] Next, get some breakfast. If Minna is getting around well enough for it, take Arren and Minna. Otherwise, go with Arren, bring back food for Minna, and eat together. Use this as an opportunity to debrief a little bit and get a better idea of what happened in the battle.
      -[X] Go for a walk with Arren. See the sights, such as they are. This much industry is impressive in its way, and is unfamiliar to us, but also get a feel for what the town is like. Beyond that, spend some time just talking to Arren. We both could have very easily died and had every reason to fear that the other had. That isn't the kind of thing that just goes away.
      --[X] Minna might want to check in on the repairs or something, but is otherwise free to do what she wants. This might be a good time to indulge one of her vices. Maybe frame it as "do this task for us, then your time is your own until we meet back up around lunch time." She seems to still not quite know what to do with herself without any structure at all, so that might help.
      -[X] Find somewhere appropriately secluded to pray together for a while, but try and be done in time for lunch.
      -[X] Before lunch, quickly check in with Abagail. See how she's feeling, make sure there's no trouble in particular with the town, offer to pay for her medical bills (we did shoot her when she was trying to surrender, after all.)
      --[X] Perhaps gently inquire about what she wants to do now, but don't make any offers or push for details. We only want to get her thinking about what she wants to do with her life rather than rejoining the red talons by default. This is maybe planting the seeds for a later offer, but that would be premature right now.
      --[X] Bring up the Minna situation. There are two aspects to this: Minna has to know the truth, and Abigail did stab her that one time, after all. Is she prepared to apologize for the stabbing? If we can get Minna ready to hear it, would Abagail be prepared to tell her story?
      -[X] Break for vote on the plan for lunch and the difficult conversation with Minna.
      [X] Plan: First Thoughts
      -[X] Indulge in prayer as a vice (with Arren, if he's willing).
      --[X] Do something else with him (tattoos?) if he'd prefer
      -[X] Confirm if Messingwerks wants to punish Abigail, and then get her out of town (especially if they want her dead)
      --[X] Talk to Abigail about her plans. Try to convince her to leave the Talons and combat work altogether
      --[X] Ask Minna if she would accept Abigail as a cargo pilot. If so, put that issue to a vote among the circus.
      --[X] If Minna or the circus doesn't want her, try to get Abigail a job on the zeppelin. Point out that they could use someone who knows the area.
      -[X] Go shopping for a lighter handgun, or "[a] replacement parachute, gun sights, miniaturized radios, or a better engine for Wulf's plane"
      --[X] Keep an eye out for embroidery stuff or anything Minna could do while lying on her front.
      --[X] Look for artist supplies for Arren, if he needs any (and use it as an excuse to talk with him, if necessary)
      -[X] Ask Minna if she knows what Greinfenburg did to towns like Abigail's.
      --[X] Try to ease Minna into the idea that her hometown does bad stuff.
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    Tally, so I can figure out what I should probably vote for.
    Adhoc vote count started by Ash19256 on Mar 13, 2019 at 5:27 PM, finished with 4069 posts and 9 votes.
    • [X] Plan: First Thoughts
      -[X] Indulge in prayer as a vice (with Arren, if he's willing).
      --[X] Do something else with him (tattoos?) if he'd prefer
      -[X] Confirm if Messingwerks wants to punish Abigail, and then get her out of town (especially if they want her dead)
      --[X] Talk to Abigail about her plans. Try to convince her to leave the Talons and combat work altogether
      --[X] Ask Minna if she would accept Abigail as a cargo pilot. If so, put that issue to a vote among the circus.
      --[X] If Minna or the circus doesn't want her, try to get Abigail a job on the zeppelin. Point out that they could use someone who knows the area.
      -[X] Go shopping for a lighter handgun, or "[a] replacement parachute, gun sights, miniaturized radios, or a better engine for Wulf's plane"
      --[X] Keep an eye out for embroidery stuff or anything Minna could do while lying on her front.
      --[X] Look for artist supplies for Arren, if he needs any (and use it as an excuse to talk with him, if necessary)
      -[X] Ask Minna if she knows what Greinfenburg did to towns like Abigail's.
      --[X] Try to ease Minna into the idea that her hometown does bad stuff.
      [X] Plan much shorter this time
      -[X] First things first, send a telegraph to Piav to let people know we are alright if Arren didn't already do it. They should see about getting paid, handle any repairs and such they may need to, and otherwise take a little time to recover. Precise plans about who meets who where are yet to be determined; look for another telegram later.
      -[X] Next, get some breakfast. If Minna is getting around well enough for it, take Arren and Minna. Otherwise, go with Arren, bring back food for Minna, and eat together. Use this as an opportunity to debrief a little bit and get a better idea of what happened in the battle.
      -[X] Go for a walk with Arren. See the sights, such as they are. This much industry is impressive in its way, and is unfamiliar to us, but also get a feel for what the town is like. Beyond that, spend some time just talking to Arren. We both could have very easily died and had every reason to fear that the other had. That isn't the kind of thing that just goes away.
      --[X] Minna might want to check in on the repairs or something, but is otherwise free to do what she wants. This might be a good time to indulge one of her vices. Maybe frame it as "do this task for us, then your time is your own until we meet back up around lunch time." She seems to still not quite know what to do with herself without any structure at all, so that might help.
      -[X] Find somewhere appropriately secluded to pray together for a while, but try and be done in time for lunch.
      -[X] Before lunch, quickly check in with Abagail. See how she's feeling, make sure there's no trouble in particular with the town, offer to pay for her medical bills (we did shoot her when she was trying to surrender, after all.)
      --[X] Perhaps gently inquire about what she wants to do now, but don't make any offers or push for details. We only want to get her thinking about what she wants to do with her life rather than rejoining the red talons by default. This is maybe planting the seeds for a later offer, but that would be premature right now.
      --[X] Bring up the Minna situation. There are two aspects to this: Minna has to know the truth, and Abigail did stab her that one time, after all. Is she prepared to apologize for the stabbing? If we can get Minna ready to hear it, would Abagail be prepared to tell her story?
      -[X] Break for vote on the plan for lunch and the difficult conversation with Minna.
      [X] Plan: First Thoughts
      -[X] Indulge in prayer as a vice (with Arren, if he's willing).
      --[X] Do something else with him (tattoos?) if he'd prefer
      -[X] Confirm if Messingwerks wants to punish Abigail, and then get her out of town (especially if they want her dead)
      --[X] Talk to Abigail about her plans. Try to convince her to leave the Talons and combat work altogether
      --[X] Ask Minna if she would accept Abigail as a cargo pilot. If so, put that issue to a vote among the circus.
      --[X] If Minna or the circus doesn't want her, try to get Abigail a job on the zeppelin. Point out that they could use someone who knows the area.
      -[X] Go shopping for a lighter handgun, or "[a] replacement parachute, gun sights, miniaturized radios, or a better engine for Wulf's plane"
      --[X] Keep an eye out for embroidery stuff or anything Minna could do while lying on her front.
      --[X] Look for artist supplies for Arren, if he needs any (and use it as an excuse to talk with him, if necessary)
      -[X] Ask Minna if she knows what Greinfenburg did to towns like Abigail's.
      --[X] Try to ease Minna into the idea that her hometown does bad stuff.
      -[X] The plane-ghost did good work today. Could Isa check in with him? See if he's happy?
      [X] Plan I didn't want to have to make a plan and may have gotten carried away
      -[X] First things first, send a telegraph to Piav to let people know we are alright if Arren didn't already do it. They should see about getting paid, handle any repairs and such they may need to, and otherwise take a little time to recover. Precise plans about who meets who where are yet to be determined; look for another telegram later.
      -[X] Next, get some breakfast. If Minna is getting around well enough for it, take Arren and Minna. Otherwise, go with Arren, bring back food for Minna, and eat together. Use this as an opportunity to debrief a little bit and get a better idea of what happened in the battle.
      -[X] Go for a walk with Arren. See the sights, such as they are. This much industry is impressive in its way, and is unfamiliar to us, but also get a feel for what the town is like. Beyond that, spend some time just talking to Arren. We both could have very easily died and had every reason to fear that the other had. That isn't the kind of thing that just goes away.
      --[X] Minna might want to check in on the repairs or something, but is otherwise free to do what she wants. This might be a good time to indulge one of her vices. Maybe frame it as "do this task for us, then your time is your own until we meet back up around lunch time." She seems to still not quite know what to do with herself without any structure at all, so that might help.
      -[X] Find somewhere appropriately secluded to pray together for a while, but try and be done in time for lunch.
      -[X] Before lunch, quickly check in with Abagail. See how she's feeling, make sure there's no trouble in particular with the town, offer to pay for her medical bills (we did shoot her when she was trying to surrender, after all.)
      --[X] Perhaps gently inquire about what she wants to do now, but don't make any offers or push for details. We only want to get her thinking about what she wants to do with her life rather than rejoining the red talons by default. This is maybe planting the seeds for a later offer, but that would be premature right now.
      --[X] Bring up the Minna situation. There are two aspects to this: Minna has to know the truth, and Abigail did stab her that one time, after all. Is she prepared to apologize for the stabbing? If we can get Minna ready to hear it, would Abagail be prepared to tell her story?
      -[X] Lunch with Minna and Arren.
      --[X] Initial conversation topics should be practical and non-threatening: how the repairs are going, how soon we expect to be back in action, any reply telegraphs from Piav, useful purchases we might want to make, etc. The secondary purpose of this is to reinforce to Minna that we value her opinion, and that we are trying to be more responsible.
      -[X] Now the hard part. Take Minna aside after lunch for that necessary but unpleasant conversation, or at least part 1.
      --[X] Make it clear that there is a reason we are doing this, and that it is important, but start of with an abstract and logical approach: just because her home did something a certain way, does not make it right or optimal. Her identity doesn't have to be so closely tied to where she grew up that any criticism of them is an attack on her. If there are problems with the community she grew up in, that doesn't require a wholesale rejection of the good and useful things she got from it, but it might be worth thinking carefully about anything that didn't sit well with her growing up.
      --[X] Once that's gotten through, or if it looks like it is putting her on the defensive or otherwise doing more harm than good, move on. Some disturbing information has come to light, and she deserves to know. With this context, we think we have an idea why they made her leave. But she really needs to just listen to this and give it a fair hearing. She needs the context. Try and get her to promise.
      --[X] How much does she know about the missions they didn't take her on back home? About their relations with the neighboring communities? Especially with whatever Abigail's village was called? If she talks about "protecting" them, what happens if they didn't pay? Gently try to get her to draw the right conclusions. She's smart, she just has some blind spots. It might be useful to use the language of war crimes in teasing this out once some real progress is being made.
      --[X] The Red Talon pilot we captured was the one who attacked her. She grew up in INSERT_TOWN_NAME_HERE, and a soldier from Greifenburg killer her mother in front of her for the crime of trying to protect her sister. She saw her uniform, and came to the wrong conclusion. When she found out that Minna had nothing to do with the cruelty and abuse, and her actual circumstances, she was devastated. (This next bit assuming Abagail responded how I think she would: ) She would like to apologize.
      --[X] Now, the reason: we suspect that at least some elements of the leadership didn't think she was what they wanted in their combat pilots. Not because of her skills, which are beyond reproach, not even mostly because of the ways she is different from most other people, but because she wouldn't have tolerated being complicit in their war crimes. She's better than that. A better person, and a better soldier than that. This is laying it on a little thick and, if not stretching the truth, framing it in the most useful possible light and emphasizing the parts we want to emphasize, but it isn't a lie. Minna would probably have been too by-the-book and not hateful enough for some of the stuff they got up to to sit well with her, and even if she would have probably followed orders in the end, it would have been a source of friction on all sides for sure. And clearly there's more to it around her particular psychology and how it fits into that kind of environment, but a lot of that is going to end up manifesting in things like this.
      --[X] Finally, if she is up to it, Minna deserves to hear the whole story from Abigail. Ask now rather than when Abigail is present, to avoid unnecessary awkwardness if the answer is no. Is she does agree, just ask that she listen and give it a fair hearing without getting too defensive. She's better than the people who killed Abigail's mom, even if she wore the same uniform, and she doesn't need to lump herself in with them.
      -[X] If that went reasonably well, give her a little bit to calm down (and do what we can to make it easier), then take her to see Abigail when she is ready. Have Arren present for that, both as added support and because having someone uninjured and bigger and stronger than us on hand might be good if it goes super badly.
      --[X] First the apology, then the story. Try and keep Minna calm, but listening. See where things go from there and re-evaluate after.
      --[X] If Minna would like to talk with us alone after for a bit, do that. In any case, she probably has a lot to think over.
      -[X] Let Minna think it over alone. This is probably a pretty good time for her to stim as well. While she's doing that, go shopping with Arren to kill some time. Maybe talk about about what just happened.
      --[X] Shopping list:
      ---[X] Basics: a gun that is practical for use without Wulf hands. A small compass and some means to start a fire that can be kept on our person when flying in case we ever end up in that situation again.
      ---[X] Fancy stuff: We don't actually expect to find any of this, but might get lucky. It's worth a look, since prices ought to be cheap if any of it is available. A replacement parachute (more if possible, one for Arren and then the rest of our squadron if there are even more than that), gun sights, miniaturized radios, a better engine for Wulf's plane, ram air turbines to replace other electrical sources, automatic variable propellers and any type of starter that can be fit to our engine, but especially ones that won't impact performance.
      ---[X] Aircraft: are there any combat aircraft for sale? Not seriously looking, but it would be good to know what's on the market depending on how things go with Abigail.
      ---[X] Luxuries. Art supplies for Arren. Depending on what type of copper ore they have locally, there may even be some interesting blue and green pigments available. If there are interesting local handicrafts, maybe try and find something nice for Wulf.
      -[X] The plane-ghost did good work today. Could Isa check in with him? See if he's happy? (Note: feel free to place this elsewhere if the ordering would make more narrative sense)
      -[X] Check in with Minna. See how she's taking things. If she's taking them well, and Abigail gave any hint she might be looking for work, cautiously see if Minna would be up for working with her either as the pilot of the cargo plane, or eventually as a combat pilot when another plane becomes available or if a mission calls for everything we've got, including the helicopter. If it seems like she strongly objects, don't push it.
      -[X] If Minna was okay with it, talk to Abigail and see if she's interested in flying for us either non-combat or eventually/occasionally combat, with the understanding that this is the sort of thing the rest of the squadron has to weigh in on.
      -[X] If Abigail wants to join, or if we found things we wanted to buy that are too big to fly back with, send a telegram to Piav explaining the situation and having everyone fly over here tomorrow. Otherwise, send one saying we will be returning tomorrow.
      -[X] With all that out of the way, try and have a nice evening with Arren. See about some (slow, careful) dancing if we are up for it, as nice a dinner as this place can provide, etc. Nothing more than that, though, and we have to call it a night pretty early: we've got a lot on our mind and we'd like to talk it over with the deep ones tonight. Apologize for not being able to devote as much time to him as he deserves right now.
      -[X] Go into Contemplation.
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    [X] Plan much shorter this time

    Need to set groundwork up first.
     
    [X] Plan much shorter this time

    The old one had my vote; the new one does too.
     
    We're at 5 and 5 by my count. If someone hasn't voted yet, now might be a good time to do that.
    Adhoc vote count started by brmj on Mar 13, 2019 at 7:13 PM, finished with 4071 posts and 10 votes.
    • [X] Plan much shorter this time
      -[X] First things first, send a telegraph to Piav to let people know we are alright if Arren didn't already do it. They should see about getting paid, handle any repairs and such they may need to, and otherwise take a little time to recover. Precise plans about who meets who where are yet to be determined; look for another telegram later.
      -[X] Next, get some breakfast. If Minna is getting around well enough for it, take Arren and Minna. Otherwise, go with Arren, bring back food for Minna, and eat together. Use this as an opportunity to debrief a little bit and get a better idea of what happened in the battle.
      -[X] Go for a walk with Arren. See the sights, such as they are. This much industry is impressive in its way, and is unfamiliar to us, but also get a feel for what the town is like. Beyond that, spend some time just talking to Arren. We both could have very easily died and had every reason to fear that the other had. That isn't the kind of thing that just goes away.
      --[X] Minna might want to check in on the repairs or something, but is otherwise free to do what she wants. This might be a good time to indulge one of her vices. Maybe frame it as "do this task for us, then your time is your own until we meet back up around lunch time." She seems to still not quite know what to do with herself without any structure at all, so that might help.
      -[X] Find somewhere appropriately secluded to pray together for a while, but try and be done in time for lunch.
      -[X] Before lunch, quickly check in with Abagail. See how she's feeling, make sure there's no trouble in particular with the town, offer to pay for her medical bills (we did shoot her when she was trying to surrender, after all.)
      --[X] Perhaps gently inquire about what she wants to do now, but don't make any offers or push for details. We only want to get her thinking about what she wants to do with her life rather than rejoining the red talons by default. This is maybe planting the seeds for a later offer, but that would be premature right now.
      --[X] Bring up the Minna situation. There are two aspects to this: Minna has to know the truth, and Abigail did stab her that one time, after all. Is she prepared to apologize for the stabbing? If we can get Minna ready to hear it, would Abagail be prepared to tell her story?
      -[X] Break for vote on the plan for lunch and the difficult conversation with Minna.
      [X] Plan: First Thoughts
      -[X] Indulge in prayer as a vice (with Arren, if he's willing).
      --[X] Do something else with him (tattoos?) if he'd prefer
      -[X] Confirm if Messingwerks wants to punish Abigail, and then get her out of town (especially if they want her dead)
      --[X] Talk to Abigail about her plans. Try to convince her to leave the Talons and combat work altogether
      --[X] Ask Minna if she would accept Abigail as a cargo pilot. If so, put that issue to a vote among the circus.
      --[X] If Minna or the circus doesn't want her, try to get Abigail a job on the zeppelin. Point out that they could use someone who knows the area.
      -[X] Go shopping for a lighter handgun, or "[a] replacement parachute, gun sights, miniaturized radios, or a better engine for Wulf's plane"
      --[X] Keep an eye out for embroidery stuff or anything Minna could do while lying on her front.
      --[X] Look for artist supplies for Arren, if he needs any (and use it as an excuse to talk with him, if necessary)
      -[X] Ask Minna if she knows what Greinfenburg did to towns like Abigail's.
      --[X] Try to ease Minna into the idea that her hometown does bad stuff.
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    [X] Plan much shorter this time
    -[X] First things first, send a telegraph to Piav to let people know we are alright if Arren didn't already do it. They should see about getting paid, handle any repairs and such they may need to, and otherwise take a little time to recover. Precise plans about who meets who where are yet to be determined; look for another telegram later.
    -[X] Next, get some breakfast. If Minna is getting around well enough for it, take Arren and Minna. Otherwise, go with Arren, bring back food for Minna, and eat together. Use this as an opportunity to debrief a little bit and get a better idea of what happened in the battle.
    -[X] Go for a walk with Arren. See the sights, such as they are. This much industry is impressive in its way, and is unfamiliar to us, but also get a feel for what the town is like. Beyond that, spend some time just talking to Arren. We both could have very easily died and had every reason to fear that the other had. That isn't the kind of thing that just goes away.
    --[X] Minna might want to check in on the repairs or something, but is otherwise free to do what she wants. This might be a good time to indulge one of her vices. Maybe frame it as "do this task for us, then your time is your own until we meet back up around lunch time." She seems to still not quite know what to do with herself without any structure at all, so that might help.
    -[X] Find somewhere appropriately secluded to pray together for a while, but try and be done in time for lunch.
    -[X] Before lunch, quickly check in with Abagail. See how she's feeling, make sure there's no trouble in particular with the town, offer to pay for her medical bills (we did shoot her when she was trying to surrender, after all.)
    --[X] Perhaps gently inquire about what she wants to do now, but don't make any offers or push for details. We only want to get her thinking about what she wants to do with her life rather than rejoining the red talons by default. This is maybe planting the seeds for a later offer, but that would be premature right now.
    --[X] Bring up the Minna situation. There are two aspects to this: Minna has to know the truth, and Abigail did stab her that one time, after all. Is she prepared to apologize for the stabbing? If we can get Minna ready to hear it, would Abagail be prepared to tell her story?
    -[X] Break for vote on the plan for lunch and the difficult conversation with Minna.

    Tiebreaker in the interest of an update, though i think we should look into this:
    open_sketchbook said:
    A thought I'll just throw out there is that Isa and Arren both are probably like, in the mood for installing an automatic starter in their plane after that incident. Options include starting by pull string, pneumatics, starter engine, electric starter, and shotgun shell.
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    in the 'break for plan for lunch and difficult conversation with minna' bit
     
    Abby Normal said:
    [X] Plan much shorter this time
    -[X] First things first, send a telegraph to Piav to let people know we are alright if Arren didn't already do it. They should see about getting paid, handle any repairs and such they may need to, and otherwise take a little time to recover. Precise plans about who meets who where are yet to be determined; look for another telegram later.
    -[X] Next, get some breakfast. If Minna is getting around well enough for it, take Arren and Minna. Otherwise, go with Arren, bring back food for Minna, and eat together. Use this as an opportunity to debrief a little bit and get a better idea of what happened in the battle.
    -[X] Go for a walk with Arren. See the sights, such as they are. This much industry is impressive in its way, and is unfamiliar to us, but also get a feel for what the town is like. Beyond that, spend some time just talking to Arren. We both could have very easily died and had every reason to fear that the other had. That isn't the kind of thing that just goes away.
    --[X] Minna might want to check in on the repairs or something, but is otherwise free to do what she wants. This might be a good time to indulge one of her vices. Maybe frame it as "do this task for us, then your time is your own until we meet back up around lunch time." She seems to still not quite know what to do with herself without any structure at all, so that might help.
    -[X] Find somewhere appropriately secluded to pray together for a while, but try and be done in time for lunch.
    -[X] Before lunch, quickly check in with Abagail. See how she's feeling, make sure there's no trouble in particular with the town, offer to pay for her medical bills (we did shoot her when she was trying to surrender, after all.)
    --[X] Perhaps gently inquire about what she wants to do now, but don't make any offers or push for details. We only want to get her thinking about what she wants to do with her life rather than rejoining the red talons by default. This is maybe planting the seeds for a later offer, but that would be premature right now.
    --[X] Bring up the Minna situation. There are two aspects to this: Minna has to know the truth, and Abigail did stab her that one time, after all. Is she prepared to apologize for the stabbing? If we can get Minna ready to hear it, would Abagail be prepared to tell her story?
    -[X] Break for vote on the plan for lunch and the difficult conversation with Minna.

    Tiebreaker in the interest of an update, though i think we should look into this:

    in the 'break for plan for lunch and difficult conversation with minna' bit
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    That's going in any eventual shopping list I put together.

    I fully expect some things will change as a result of the next update, but the giant plan from earlier should give a pretty good idea of what I am still thinking for next steps.
     
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