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What WB/DC should do to compete against Disney/Marvel's MCU?

950Killer

950Killer

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IMO DC should focus more on making stand alone movies rather than making a cinematic universe. I mean there's a fuckton of great comics DC has put out since their conception, like Moore's "The Killing Joke" & "Swamp Thing",Morrison's "All Star Superman" & "Animal Man", Ellis' "Planetary" & "Transmetropolitan", Gaiman's "Sandman" and many other more or take some award winning Vertigo series and make a trilogy or something from those stories (example, the movie versions of "Road to Perdition", "V for Vendetta" and "A History of Violence" garnered praise from fans and critics alike and won awards, "A History of Violence" even competed in the Cannes for Palme d'Or award)

DC also should fire Snyder & Whedon and IMO hire Christopher Nolan and these following director/s
  • David Cronenberg - his horror/sci fi roots should be perfect for a "Swamp Thing" movie or any stories from DC's Vertigo imprint like "Sandman", "Hellblazer" etc.
  • Wachowski Bros - Martian Manhunter movie
  • Michael Mann - Deathstroke/Deadshot movie, the gunfights alone would be absolute bonkers
  • Joe Carnahan - Batman movie
  • Pierre Morel - Nightwing movie
  • Brian de Palma - A crime thriller/drama starring Joker or "The Killing Joke"
  • Luc Besson - Green Lantern movie
  • David Lynch - Grant Morrison's work suits him perfectly, specifically "Animal Man", "Doom Patrol" & "Invisibles"
DC is too focused in catching up with Marvel and IMO that's their biggest mistake so far.
So what do you guys think?
 
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Pretty much agree. DC tends to do okay when it's off doing it's own thing and not copying Marvel.

Even Man of Steel, which I consider awful, was ok as a standalone film.
 
1. Make movies that are actually somewhat good.
2. Make movies that are tonally appropriate for an all ages audience.
3. For the love of god, get the fucking production and especially editing of these movies under some semblance of control. Like, holy shit, one nightmarish trainwreck of a movie put through production a hell is a fuckup, twos a problem, three is absolutely embarrassing for a major hollywood studio.
 
950Killer said:
Kinda hard to pull off if we consider how DC stories are structured and its tendency to go in much "darker" route.
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That's more recent DC. Remember how campy 60's Batman Adam West was?
Both DC and Marvel have plenty of stories with all sorts of tone in their back catalog. DC can totally dust off some of their more light-hearted stuff.
 
Stop hiring sunlight and bright colour averse vampires for your film crews.
 
If someone who is directing/producing hates the source material they need to be shamed and outed, looking at you Goyer. Like Marvel you need to be confident with the IP.
 
Make some good gorram movies. With bright color palettes and good comic-accurate characters and the feel of a comic book brought to life. Fight a psychic gorilla from a city of gorillas, or a giant robot head that puts cities in bottles, or Dracula. Gimme something bright and fun and engaging.
 
They should reboot the DCEU with the Flash film. Restart the whole universe all over again, focus on what worked like the Wonder Woman film and build from there. Get rid of Jesse Eisenberg he is awful as Lex Luthor.
 
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Lunatic350 said:
Make some good gorram movies. With bright color palettes and good comic-accurate characters and the feel of a comic book brought to life. Fight a psychic gorilla from a city of gorillas, or a giant robot head that puts cities in bottles, or Dracula. Gimme something bright and fun and engaging.
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This. Legends of tomorrow is amazing because it just doesn't give a fuck and has plenty of fun.

Like confederate Zombies and psychic gorillas, and a rather hilarious (and I admit, childish and shameless) twist at the end of season 3.
 
950Killer said:
Wachowski Bros - Martian Manhunter movie
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Uh, they've both come out as trans, can you change this to 'sisters?'

Edit: Oh, and they should retcon this mess of a DCCU. Make a flash that's not an insulting caricature of an ADHD person because 'get it he moves fast and ADHD is totally all about being hyper XD lol haHA.' Just make him good ole quippy Flash. Stop the Superman character from being broody and dull.
 
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They should fracture their IPs like marvel so more movies can be made with diversity of ideas/direction
 
Start making good movies, for one. Wonder Woman was a gift, Justice League was watchable (if mediocre and schizophrenic), now they just need to not fuck up again and actually put in the work. God help Warner Brothers.
 
Rook said:
Start making good movies, for one. Wonder Woman was a gift, Justice League was watchable (if mediocre and schizophrenic), now they just need to not fuck up again and actually put in the work. God help Warner Brothers.
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That's the core of it.

The MCU has mastered the art of making films that are, at worst, blandly watchable. I mean, look at the fucked up situation we're in right now. Many people would argue that Thor 2 was the worst MCU movie, and... uh, it's still better than the majority of DCU films. Like, we're in a situation where Thor 2 may arguably be better than Justice League, the second-best DCU film.

And until DC and Warner Bros pull up their big girl tights and write decent scripts and un-fuck their production process, they're going to keep on making sub-par movies with confused structures and weak character dynamics. And they have no one to blame but themselves for that.
 
They need to stop remaking Dark Knight but shittier, for one. For the rest...I dunno. They've kinda lost all credibility with me. If literally everyone I know recommends DC material, or one of two people I really trust, I check it out...but short of that just...ew, no.
 
Stop having some of the most nightmarishly eye-aching aesthetics I've ever seen in a big-budget production for starters. The other day I saw the mid-credits scene of Justice League with the Flash and Superman getting ready to race to the ocean on Youtube and just... just holy shit the former's costume looked so fucking bad. I've heard it said JL looks so bad because the costumes weren't designed to be seen in the lighting it wound up in but no, there are no lighting conditions that costume would've looked good in. And the less said about the angular Bayformers monstrosity that is Cyborg the better.

I mean fuck, the CW Flash series has a budget so low Barry turns into an electrified rubber Realdoll every time he gotta go fast and it still has better aesthetic sensibilities.
 
Just... not bother.

The idea of a "Cinematic Universe" is already really creaky in, for example, Infinity War, which spends a lot of the movie basically erasing prior movies or rendering them irrelevant because it sort of needs to for the plot to make sense.

DC needs it less than Marvel because Marvel lucked out by having all the big-names: Spider Man, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four-basically unavailable to them, and thus decided on some sort of marketing gimmick (which also worked because you could sort of tie the other guys together, as Ultimate Marvel did, with the idea of supersoldier projects and black ops organizations, given that Tony Stark is an arms dealer, Bruce Banner was a weapons scientist, and Captain America was a supersoldier project).

DC also can do it less well because their two headliners are:
  • Superman, a Super Saiyan from Outer Space who stands for the fundamental decency and acceptance of man, who goes and has high powered DBZ punch ups with cosmic threats;
  • Batman, a mentally damaged vigilante who spends his time dealing with equally mentally unstable people, whose biggest and most dangerous foe is a fucking clown.
Superman and Batman existing in the same universe is to the detriment of both, because it makes Superman look impotent and Batman look irrelevant. @950Killer, you talk about hiring Christopher Nolan, but you might notice that when Nolan did Batman he specifically excised like, literally all of the surrounding DC universe from it, and all of the supernatural elements as well, because Batman fundamentally doesn't really fit a "shared universe" of superheroes and supervillains. By excising Batman from the context of being one superhero amongst many, and into the context of a mentally damaged vigilante who is fighting, basically, themed terrorists, he becomes a lot more relevant and interesting.
 
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That's the core of it.

The MCU has mastered the art of making films that are, at worst, blandly watchable. I mean, look at the fucked up situation we're in right now. Many people would argue that Thor 2 was the worst MCU movie, and... uh, it's still better than the majority of DCU films. Like, we're in a situation where Thor 2 may arguably be better than Justice League, the second-best DCU film.

And until DC and Warner Bros pull up their big girl tights and write decent scripts and un-fuck their production process, they're going to keep on making sub-par movies with confused structures and weak character dynamics. And they have no one to blame but themselves for that.
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I think most MCU fans would say Iron Man 3 is the worst MCU film cause of the fake Mandarin twist. I myself liked Thor: The Dark World.

DC and Warner Brothers should scrap the current DCEU and try again in a few years by focusing on what worked like the Wonder Woman film and go from there, maybe make a few changes along the way like for example instead of having Lois Lane get together with Superman, have her get together with Wonder Woman.
 
Ant221 said:
I think most MCU fans would say Iron Man 3 is the worst MCU film cause of the fake Mandarin twist.
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Then they're idiots. It was a fucking great twist, as well as pretty astute commentary on how the fear of terrorism is used and manipulated by those in power.

The weakness in IM3 was that the ending sequence couldn't live up to the main body of the film, with that twist and the heavy focus on Tony's PTSD and self-development.
 
Ant221 said:
I think most MCU fans would say Iron Man 3 is the worst MCU film cause of the fake Mandarin twist. I myself liked Thor: The Dark World.

DC and Warner Brothers should scrap the current DCEU and try again in a few years by focusing on what worked like the Wonder Woman film and go from there, maybe make a few changes along the way like for example instead of having Lois Lane get together with Superman, have her get together with Wonder Woman.
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Thor 2: The Dark World is fucking memeticaly bad. No way most marvel fans would put it above Iron Man 3.
 
Ant221 said:
I think most MCU fans would say Iron Man 3 is the worst MCU film cause of the fake Mandarin twist. I myself liked Thor: The Dark World.
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Except the highlighted statement isn't backed up by any numbers? You liked Thor: The Dark World. Cool. But Iron Man 3 made more money than Thor and the Elven King, has lower scores on IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic.
 
The classic ten rings Mandarin can be done well...

If you do exactly what Iron Man: Armoured Adventures did and actually made him a character (albeit of the Darth Vader wannabe archetype) and not a silly racist stereotype with a dumb outfit.

Given that the MCU didn't build up the Mandarin the way that Armoured Adventures built up Temujin throughout literally the entire series, what they did was the best possible thing they could.
 
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