Hykal94
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And this is why I love Text Speech Device. Characters are not afraid of calling out Empy on his bullshit. Helps that it was Magnus who said it to his face. "No father, you cannot defeat emotions."
What are your opinions on the God Emperor of mankind
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And this is why I love Text Speech Device. Characters are not afraid of calling out Empy on his bullshit. Helps that it was Magnus who said it to his face. "No father, you cannot defeat emotions."
Mild spoilers from Master of Mankind:
At least from what he says to Ra, which may not be entirely truthful, the Emperor is attempting to free mankind from the warp so that he can shepherd it through its transformation into a psychic race without it going Slaneesh 2.0. Religion and superstition are outlawed because they are means for Warp denizens to make inroads into Humanity rather than some sort of starvation scheme.
The xenos genocide seems to be more that most xenos are a bag of dicks in-universe, plus some species have fallen to Chaos, such as the Laer. If I'm not mistaken, aliens were occupying and enslaving humans even in Sol before the Great Crusade.
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Did he ever try to get everyone to think happy thoughts and adopt a lifestyle of understanding and tolerance, thereby either changing the chaos gods or creating a new pantheon of lawful good ones to oppose them?
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Unfortunately, both chaos and nature won't let such things happen. For one thing, the majority of Xenos have different thought process than a humans or were straight up lovecraftian in nature. Another thing is that creating a god isn't like snapping your fingers, it took millennia for slaanesh to born.
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This says a lot of things about the setting, none of which are good.
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"It's okay to commit genocide because the non-white people, oh, sorry, aliens, are actually inferior to humans."
Reveen
Castro-Trudeauist
The problem with the God-Emperor of mankind is that Warhammer wants me to believe that he was simultaneously an enlightened genius despot who wants the best for mankind and has a plan to lead us to our golden age and he's a thundering blustering space warlord with an ermine cape wielding a golden sword with a Redditor's understanding of theology.
Like, he comes off to me like for all his talents, power, and abilities he's still just another monkey hitting things with rocks, but Warhammer and his fans are all like "No, really he knows what he's doing becuase blahblahblahblah".
i'm much more enthused by the idea that Malcador is actually behind everything and the Emperor is just his tool in a long term plan to save mankind in which the Imperium was basically just a temporary stepping stone.
Like, he comes off to me like for all his talents, power, and abilities he's still just another monkey hitting things with rocks, but Warhammer and his fans are all like "No, really he knows what he's doing becuase blahblahblahblah".
i'm much more enthused by the idea that Malcador is actually behind everything and the Emperor is just his tool in a long term plan to save mankind in which the Imperium was basically just a temporary stepping stone.
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tankdrop24
Tread First into Hell
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Yeah, it was the prevalence of this line of thought that started to really turn me against 40k. It's funny, ever since joining SB then SV I've been on a long shift from 'For the Emprah' to 'Fuck the Emperor'.
On that subject, I wish they'd stuck with the characterization of Space Marines as drugged up Vietnam war conscripts shoved into Power Armor that first addition had instead of turning them into honorable hard men space knights by way of the Spartan II project.
It would also go a long way to giving the Sisters of Battle more room for an identity of their own as a nice side effect.
I feel like people are missing the point of it being a dystopian setting.
"The Eldar just murdered-fucked a massive hole in reality and you want to sing kumbayah to close it?"
"The Eldar just murdered-fucked a massive hole in reality and you want to sing kumbayah to close it?"
tankdrop24
Tread First into Hell
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Yes, the current staff of Games Workshop studios and much of the fanbase certainly are.
Rat King
Izutsumi-pilled
I understand it's supposed to be dystopian, but I'm not sure the fans do.
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Not just dystopian, but over the top silly dystopian. To the point of open parodyI understand it's supposed to be dystopian, but I'm not sure the fans do.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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"Are we sure it wouldn't work?" Obviously anyone could say if it works then the ancients would have done it.
No, from what I found the Emperor was "right", but also an evil arrogant hypocritical fuckface, while Ulrich was "wrong" in the sense he had been believing a falsehood, but he was also good, kind and overall a better person.
Best shown in the humour/parody series, "If the Emperor Had a Text-to-Speech Device", and more specifically it's in-universe, in-character spin-off. In Episode 1, which the author of the Last Church helped with, the Emperor summons up Uriah's soul for Round 2.
I wish this was the thing. "Just another monkey hitting things with rocks" would be great for what 40k claims its going for.
It's more the "Facist Wank" and "BEING EVIL IS AWESOME" that the series does now that we have a problem with, actually.
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Hykal94
Orange Estus Kitteh
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Uriah is literally one of the best thing that's happened to Text Speech. Right there with Dorn and, well everything else. Text Speech is just so awesome.
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Honestly, even if the emperor didn't exist in 40k, would probably turn out to be, more or less, the same as it is now. Humanity would probably be scattered into petty empires vying for dominance in the galaxy. Their probably still be genocidal Xenophobic human empires, either because their extremely xenophobic, have hostile Xenos constantly, or both. The interex would either become a major or get destroyed for a number reasons. Heck, the imperium could still exist with a history of it being started by a dynasty of rulers or something.
Dream Logic
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The Emperors a prick. If he wasn't such a prick most of the Imperium's problems would have been avoided.
The heresy, The Inquisition, The Eclesiarchy, The black ships, The tau seperatists, the impossible bureaucracy, the World Bearers fall, The Navigators, Warp travel, The daemon primarchs, the missing primarchs, the lost legions, the fall of cadia, the black crusades, the second great crusade.
It's on his head and it raises the same problem I always have with 40K. It just cannot work as written. The Imperium cannot be as awful as it is supposed to be or it simply would cease to exist as a political body. In the same way the emperor could not be half as great as he is supposed to be or else things wouldn't have played out this way.
The heresy, The Inquisition, The Eclesiarchy, The black ships, The tau seperatists, the impossible bureaucracy, the World Bearers fall, The Navigators, Warp travel, The daemon primarchs, the missing primarchs, the lost legions, the fall of cadia, the black crusades, the second great crusade.
It's on his head and it raises the same problem I always have with 40K. It just cannot work as written. The Imperium cannot be as awful as it is supposed to be or it simply would cease to exist as a political body. In the same way the emperor could not be half as great as he is supposed to be or else things wouldn't have played out this way.
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And even without going into the whole Doyle vs Watson debate - even in-universe you had factions like the Interex, where humans and aliens lived peacefully side by side at a high level of technology and prosperity... and then the Imperium genocided them all in the Great Crusade.
So yeah, dicks under a head dick. No question about it.
I've always been iffy on that line of thought that stated all friendly alien empires abruptly turned against humanity during the Age of Strife and that-is-why-we-must-kill-them.
Implying the friendly aliens were just biding their time to strike when mankind was weak.
Then I remembered that the Age of Strife is when humanity's unstable psyker population exploded.
Which makes me think their alien allies were a tad bit freaked out when human beings began exploding into portals leading to hell and frying the brains of everyone around them.
They probably thought the species was utterly unstable and was going to wipe them out with their 'disease'.
Common consensus is that humanity would be extinct.
Either from the void dragon shard that the emperor allegedly fought in the medieval era. Or Ork's eventually surging beyond control with no Imperium to contest them. Or that one Xenos empire who's name I forget that contested equally against the Imperium.
The basic argument being that after the Age of Strife with no Emperor forcing humanity to recover, mankind would be overrun by a bunch of other factions before they could defend themselves.
Implying the friendly aliens were just biding their time to strike when mankind was weak.
Then I remembered that the Age of Strife is when humanity's unstable psyker population exploded.
Which makes me think their alien allies were a tad bit freaked out when human beings began exploding into portals leading to hell and frying the brains of everyone around them.
They probably thought the species was utterly unstable and was going to wipe them out with their 'disease'.
There is a thread on SB that was discussing the impact the Emperor of Mankind not existing would create.
Common consensus is that humanity would be extinct.
Either from the void dragon shard that the emperor allegedly fought in the medieval era. Or Ork's eventually surging beyond control with no Imperium to contest them. Or that one Xenos empire who's name I forget that contested equally against the Imperium.
The basic argument being that after the Age of Strife with no Emperor forcing humanity to recover, mankind would be overrun by a bunch of other factions before they could defend themselves.
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Maybe that's the better option, honestly.
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That's my thread actually, I use a different name in SB
so no humanity is better than any humanity
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Honestly? Given what humanity has done to the Galaxy? Yeah.
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If my only options are "no humanity" and "the worst genocidal and monstrous regime imaginable" then maybe no humanity is a good idea.
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Honestly the best thing for 40k is to wipeout including the good, bad, and ugly while letting the galaxy because in all honesty there really isn't anything to save