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[x] Lynch atk50
Number of voters: 3

TPK, Winged Cat, AlphaDelta

Nanimani is certain atk50 is innocent. Please change to someone more suspicious

Could we get @Nanimani to change to someone more suspicious of actually being cult? (I mean, seriously: I don't get what the hate is for survivors. Town wins by lynching cult. Eliminating survivors is wasting a lynch, and thus making it more likely that cult/mafia will win.)
 
Could we get @Nanimani to change to someone more suspicious of actually being cult? (I mean, seriously: I don't get what the hate is for survivors. Town wins by lynching cult. Eliminating survivors is wasting a lynch, and thus making it more likely that cult/mafia will win.)
Because I don't believe you're a survivor. Didn't I say that?
Your proposed setup has rather large holes, so my current theory is that you're the second wizard, trying to avoid being claimed.
 
Okay, I looked back at that post and realized I never even put the last sentence. It was supposed to say, I suggest TPK. It isn't like him to give up in this way, especially with little provocation. Whoops. Anyways, with the new information we've gained from Cake, I have removed TPK from my list of sus people, so I rescind that post. I really don't have much more information to give right now, except for my insights.

Upon further reflection on the meaning of TMR's lynch fluff, I have come to the conclusion that the wizards are not likely to be scum, but rather are a neutral faction, although this is just conjecture. He is a traditionalist wizard. That indicates to me that he deals in traditional matters (like books, as mentioned). The opening post describes the perception of events as such: "such a ritual of death and slaughter is almost beyond belief." To me, that doesn't sound as though we are dealing in matters of tradition. That seems as though they are not our main scum group.

This, of course, is nothing certain. It is simply based upon the fluff which we've been given, but it's an angle I haven't seen explored and one that I wanted to bring to light.
 
Because I don't believe you're a survivor. Didn't I say that?
Your proposed setup has rather large holes, so my current theory is that you're the second wizard, trying to avoid being claimed.

Okay, let's say that I am the second wizard. If I am, then there are probably two hunters, one of whom has a night-kill power (which I surmise because I also have a night-kill power), and thus if I claim that I'm toast N2 (if I somehow don't get lynched D2).

Even if that is the case, why are you wasting a lynch on me, rather than trying to get the cult?

Upon further reflection on the meaning of TMR's lynch fluff, I have come to the conclusion that the wizards are not likely to be scum, but rather are a neutral faction

Same question to you. If you think I'm the second wizard, why are you lynching me, rather than trying to find the cult?
 
...oh, also: if you think that I am the second wizard, don't you think it's likely the hunters will think the same and try to take me out tonight if I live that long? And given that, wouldn't lynching me today be the same as not lynching (which helps the scum faction)?
 
Okay, let's say that I am the second wizard. If I am, then there are probably two hunters, one of whom has a night-kill power (which I surmise because I also have a night-kill power), and thus if I claim that I'm toast N2 (if I somehow don't get lynched D2).

Even if that is the case, why are you wasting a lynch on me, rather than trying to get the cult?
This argument still rests on the assumption that the "Hunter" faction is A Thing, which several of us are doubtful of. Try again.
 
My Personal Short List:
Bahn, AlphaDelta, JoeBobJoe, Winged Cat

Winged Cat is claimed not town, I can't really be against their death as its a death not befalling a townie, the other individuals on my list are people I'm not certain of but come off suspect to me, I wouldn't be against their lynch to generate info that Winged Cat's death really won't provide.

@Winged Cat if you are the other wizard we have no need to believe the hunters are a proper faction.
 
Because I don't believe you're a survivor. Didn't I say that?
Your proposed setup has rather large holes, so my current theory is that you're the second wizard, trying to avoid being claimed.

and if he is? then so what? he still is a neutral so just leave him be and kill someone who is actually a threat

Being claimed? Killed. That word. Yes.



>implying you are gonna die

This argument still rests on the assumption that the "Hunter" faction is A Thing, which several of us are doubtful of. Try again.
no reason to kill him though. At most he lives a day longer. He gave an extremely fragile and easily debunked promise if he breaks it.

Gonna request Bahn or alpha delta dies tonight by Winged Cat's Traditional Wizard killing role. Having a teleporter and a oneshot killing neutral pair isn't that far fetched.

This argument still rests on the assumption that the "Hunter" faction is A Thing, which several of us are doubtful of. Try again.

WingedCat likely invented that role to make town more likely to feel bad for him and also to not want to waste a lynch on someone who is under target anyway.
 
Gonna request Bahn or alpha delta dies tonight by Winged Cat's Traditional Wizard killing role. Having a teleporter and a oneshot killing neutral pair isn't that far fetched.

Alright. People believe that Megaolix is town, so switching to this as my target. (If I am still around N2 to do it, of course.)
 
This argument still rests on the assumption that the "Hunter" faction is A Thing, which several of us are doubtful of. Try again.

What evidence is there that this is false? The hunters are a faction. That is what my PM said. Are you unwilling to believe that claim short of my quoting my PM?

@Winged Cat if you are the other wizard we have no need to believe the hunters are a proper faction.

Why so? Again, what evidence is there against it? I only have my PM as evidence for, and I may not quote my PM.
 
I submit another request that we hang jbb, bahn or alphadelta in the next hour. WingedCat is already gonna be eliminating a scum member (hopefully).

My overall opinion on WingedCat is that they might have fudged the info they got to make themselves more likely to survive. It's possible that the traditional wizards are neutrals who still need to survive scum. Maybe they can only win if at least one of the two survives, but they win alongside town if both town and wizards survive.

It makes sense with the TMR death fluff. they are just a couple of wizards trying to survive doing their own thing, and to do that they need to live and deal with mass murderers in some fashion.

We don't believe a mere survivor role get to know about others factions nor have a kill power as you claim you do.
I concur, and my above opinion fits with the high likelyhood of them being a pair faction.
 
I have a cat sleeping on my keyboard, it is currently hard to type.

[X] Lynch JoeBobJoe

The information produced is just greater than the information produced by Winged Cat's death.
 
Actually...heck, in for a penny, in for a pound.

Yes. I am the other Traditionalist Wizard, specifically the Fire Wizard. The Witch Hunters are the fourth faction. My wincon is that they are dead, at least one wizard survives, and the town/cult thing is over. I assume, as we started with 2 members with 1 1-shot killing role, that they do too. If this is correct, my only chance at winning now is that the hunters' killing role gets lynched today - a 1/13 chance if I do not get lynched today - or that they gambled last night (getting RBed, or their target was healed).

It was a desperate gambit, I'll admit, but my chances of winning were basically 0 once TMR was lynched. Y'all saw how little TMR posted here. He basically ignored faction chat too. Our faction chat now stands at 11 posts - 3 from the GM, 3 from TMR, and 5 from me.

That said, I am surprised at the hate for a survivor, and the massive incredulity that there could be 4 factions. This will make the second out of three games where I was taken out in part for trying to uncover the truth about the factions. I do believe people might want to reevaluate their scumtells, since people keep falsely pinging that I am scum.

...or maybe I should just change my handle to Cassandra, as in the Greek legend.
 
Well Cat is dead no matter what now since there isn't a reason to waste the doctor on him.
 
Actually...heck, in for a penny, in for a pound.

Yes. I am the other Traditionalist Wizard, specifically the Fire Wizard. The Witch Hunters are the fourth faction. My wincon is that they are dead, at least one wizard survives, and the town/cult thing is over. I assume, as we started with 2 members with 1 1-shot killing role, that they do too. If this is correct, my only chance at winning now is that the hunters' killing role gets lynched today - a 1/13 chance if I do not get lynched today - or that they gambled last night (getting RBed, or their target was healed).

It was a desperate gambit, I'll admit, but my chances of winning were basically 0 once TMR was lynched. Y'all saw how little TMR posted here. He basically ignored faction chat too. Our faction chat now stands at 11 posts - 3 from the GM, 3 from TMR, and 5 from me.

That said, I am surprised at the hate for a survivor, and the massive incredulity that there could be 4 factions. This will make the second out of three games where I was taken out in part for trying to uncover the truth about the factions. I do believe people might want to reevaluate their scumtells, since people keep falsely pinging that I am scum.

...or maybe I should just change my handle to Cassandra, as in the Greek legend.
Now that's much more plausible than that whole "flamebearer" shite. I'll take my vote off you.

[X] Lynch JoeBobJoe
 
This will make the second out of three games where I was taken out in part for trying to uncover the truth about the factions. I do believe people might want to reevaluate their scumtells, since people keep falsely pinging that I am scum.
Last game we pinged you as a jester. There's a difference.
 
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