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You never got much salvage when playing X-COM did you? Large explosions leave nothing to take back to the docs to do SCIENCE! on.
We aren't with the Ethereals we swear! (X-com)
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. . . didn't the ship hulls of the Ethereals stand up to a standard tactical nuke in the games? Plus, what sort of space ship isn't able to stand up to a nuke? They're basically driving in the nuclear fusion refuse, they'd have to be designed to handle a nuke or two going off nearby.Nah, that's what nukes are for.
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Never played.
Bigger nukes then. It's not like we live on the surface or anything
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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Nuking the surface will still have serious effects on the oceans. We also don't have anything close to nukes at the moment, and I'm pretty confident the Ethereals would be able to shoot down nukes fired at them. They've all ready kicked our asses once before, remember?
Dream Logic
An offseason swallow
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[X] Polar Bear
I will call him Iorek and he will be glorious to behold.
I will call him Iorek and he will be glorious to behold.
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. . . oh wait... you voted jellyfish... *sigh*
You're aiming for hentai tentacle porn... aren't you?
And GM just got done saying there won't be none. So players don't need to be starting none.
You have a sick mind. I voted for jellyfish because electricity + water = funtimes. of course there would be the dissipating effect of water but if it were channeled into one point and cranked up....Yes but we have unwarranted enthusiasm on our side. Therefore we can't be stopped.
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... what unwarranted enthu... oh, nah, that's just a psycho bitch that's gone murder crazy wanting to tear apart some Ethereal ass.
Edit: Oh, you're wanting to play her... which just puts yet another spin on the jellyfish vote... being all tsundere and what not. "It's a crazy, painful, murder trooper... and a fun playmate"
Edit: Oh, you're wanting to play her... which just puts yet another spin on the jellyfish vote... being all tsundere and what not. "It's a crazy, painful, murder trooper...
and a fun playmate"
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VoiceoftheAbyss
May or may not stare back.
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[X] Polar Bear
wkz
Probably on the other side of the world from you
Another note: defense. Don't neglect it because you think Ethereals don't have underwater options.
Just like fitting out jellyfish for land operations is a no, kitting out polar bears to stay underwater indefinitely while being able to operate on land is a no too.
Just like fitting out jellyfish for land operations is a no, kitting out polar bears to stay underwater indefinitely while being able to operate on land is a no too.
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I was actually referring to my own unwarranted enthusiasm.... what unwarranted enthu... oh, nah, that's just a psycho bitch that's gone murder crazy wanting to tear apart some Ethereal ass.
Edit: Oh, you're wanting to play her... which just puts yet another spin on the jellyfish vote... being all tsundere and what not. "It's a crazy, painful, murder trooper...
Hrm, also a fair point. But, aside from frogs, which while giving us frogmen, are also units that can't operate out of water for too long. So, we need something balance out our lack of operational limits on land with our operative capacity underwater. While frogmen are a good backup unit for whatever our PBs mod units will become... they aren't anything that we can use in deeper land battles. So, what, exactly, then should we use that can strike a better balance?
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Who needs balance? Defense first, offense second. Besides who says that jellyfish can't be kitted out for out of water assault? You just need some anti-gravity generators, which can be powered by the internal electricity from the jellyfish, and a device which allows for electricity to shoot at people. Plus it could also bounce between multiple jelly fish to increase power, or other nifty tricks.
wkz
Probably on the other side of the world from you
Aka: get jellyfish mk1 first.
We can always get jellyfish mk2 later aka "my jelly is flying, you jelly?" ... Or more likely, bear calv mk1 instead.
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... until we can design and build APAs (armored personnel aquariums) using water based units as anything other than water based units is like asking the humans to fight underwater unassisted... not even an air tank.
Defense yes is a good strategy. But since we've decided to strike at our enemies we'll need to continue fighting them. To do that we need to fight them on land. Our current troops, and with two exceptions, our optional choices don't fair well out of water. Meaning we'd be stuck building up water units and getting next to no tech returns from land fights with Ethereal forces. Land fights that will need land functional units to fight on, and grab their tech to study. As long as we aren't stuck with just this one troop after gene modding, and can study the other species, which I haven't seen the GM say no to, yet, what we need is some land capable forces and pronto. After we got our spiffin new combat bears, we can look at some more typical water based gene mods for local sea life to use as troops. And unless we roll a crit 100 on modding jellys the best we can use them for is shoving them into a contact box and using them as generators right now. Now, once we've some better mods from both land based and water based units we could, yes, make some damn frightening jelly units. But with what we've got right now... we'd only be able to up their toxicity and if we found the electrical variant (which I doubt we did) only slightly increase its electrical output for mass electric generation (bio-electric generators)
edit: Also, if you're really wanting bio-electric zappers, then why aren't you requesting eels? The electrical kind output more electricity than the average electric jellyfish, and would be easy to mod for higher voltage output for offensive purposes. And power generation.
Defense yes is a good strategy. But since we've decided to strike at our enemies we'll need to continue fighting them. To do that we need to fight them on land. Our current troops, and with two exceptions, our optional choices don't fair well out of water. Meaning we'd be stuck building up water units and getting next to no tech returns from land fights with Ethereal forces. Land fights that will need land functional units to fight on, and grab their tech to study. As long as we aren't stuck with just this one troop after gene modding, and can study the other species, which I haven't seen the GM say no to, yet, what we need is some land capable forces and pronto. After we got our spiffin new combat bears, we can look at some more typical water based gene mods for local sea life to use as troops. And unless we roll a crit 100 on modding jellys the best we can use them for is shoving them into a contact box and using them as generators right now. Now, once we've some better mods from both land based and water based units we could, yes, make some damn frightening jelly units. But with what we've got right now... we'd only be able to up their toxicity and if we found the electrical variant (which I doubt we did) only slightly increase its electrical output for mass electric generation (bio-electric generators)
edit: Also, if you're really wanting bio-electric zappers, then why aren't you requesting eels? The electrical kind output more electricity than the average electric jellyfish, and would be easy to mod for higher voltage output for offensive purposes. And power generation.
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If our science can't figure this out easily then I don't think we would be long for this world anyway.
Edit: Actually how long could the survive out of water anyway? As long as they can do more than 30 min we should be able to get some good use out of them.
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. . . so... you know how to design, from scratch, without insight from something else, an armored personnel carrier, what it would take to build it, fabricate it, and work out any production or operational issues till it can function for it's intended purpose? No? Then please don't confuse a fish tank with a mobile aquarium. Our subs are mostly enclosed vehicles that still open up while underwater to disgorge our water based troops that have some land operational capability. An APA would be an enclosed water tank that can release troops deeper inland; without losing the water to carry them back, largely alive and hopefully healthy.
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So? Just because I can't do something doesn't mean others can't. Who knows what we could figure out.
If they didn't want me to blow shit up, they wouldn't give me so many rockets.
wkz
Probably on the other side of the world from you
Note: this same argument can be used for bears in deep water. Just saying.
... Maybe I'm just tired and failed to convey properly... but I'm almost certain the point flew above you... by at least a mile.
*sigh*
I wasn't suggesting it was impossible. I was suggesting that it isn't easy. Even we humans had to use something else as a base, and only when we purpose designed an APC did we get a lot of the flaws an adapted design had out, and found all new ones. We've actually only finalized an acceptable APC design in the last three decades. Taking two and a half to test and refine the purpose built model by the early 1980's. Again, it wasn't impossible, it just took longer than anyone thought it should. Because we ended up finding what couldn't be done, what was needed to be done, and figured out how to modulate it so that it could adapt too. The long and short of it. Unless we can fast track the development beyond reasonable expectations... developing an APA is likely looking at a being a six to seven hundred point engineering project just to get a prototype built. Again, not impossible, just much more complex than most give it credit for.
Ironically, I think we already have surface boats/carriers... or rather, building a raft is oddly enough simpler. An actual enclosed seafaring personnel carrier ship, we can look at human ships to mimic and build.
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Normally I might agree with you but from what I do understand of this game the tech progression is pretty insane so I don't expect us to have that many problems.
wkz
Probably on the other side of the world from you
I didn't know humans have surface boats/carriers that work in deep ocean...
Let me rephrase.
This same argument of yours, that Paradox's "Let's make a device to allow Jellyfish work on land" is going to run into technical difficulties left and right, can be used as an argument against bears, as in "support equipment for land/ocean-surface creatures several leagues under the ocean". Just saying.
. . . *tilts head* Hrm... might have a point... we'll wait for a WoG on that to settle the debate of an APA then... and agree to disagree on what troops would be a better starter.
And if we were to use them as anything other than our land troops you'd have a fair point... also humans have submarines too. Maybe not rated for the same depth or as useful... and would take modding ours to work like theirs... if we really needed to cram modded Polar Bears into service defending our underwater cities. When they're just there for shock troops on land.
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