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The Imperium of 30K is still viewed by most of those building it as a stepping stone to something much better, I'd argue. Added to which, after the Age of Strife, there weren't that many truly idyllic parts of the Galaxy, and plenty of horrendously powerful enemies out there which the Emperor was racing against in many regards.
 
That begs the question of why anyone objected to Angron's approach.
The sheer wastefulness, plus indiscriminate killing even by the standard of IoM.

The Death Guard later finished the job.

The HH: Inferno added that the Space Wolves pretty much achieved total genocide of Prosperine branch of humanity. And how Imperium massacred the loyal Thousand Sons detachments still fighting the Great Crusade.

The Imperium of 30K is still viewed by most of those building it as a stepping stone to something much better, I'd argue. Added to which, after the Age of Strife, there weren't that many truly idyllic parts of the Galaxy, and plenty of horrendously powerful enemies out there which the Emperor was racing against in many regards.
Even DAoT Humanity, by every evidence, was a pretty nasty piece of work.

Honestly, I do agree with at least some aversion of modern IoM toward that era, because it appears it really was a Dark Age. Granted, the IoM call it dark for different reason.
 
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The Imperium of 30K is still viewed by most of those building it as a stepping stone to something much better, I'd argue. Added to which, after the Age of Strife, there weren't that many truly idyllic parts of the Galaxy, and plenty of horrendously powerful enemies out there which the Emperor was racing against in many regards.

...you know who else believed that by mass genocide of dissenters and lesser races they could step towards something 'much better'?

Like, I can't actually Godwin the conversation because, like.
 
That begs the question of why anyone objected to Angron's approach.

Wait what.
The answer to the former is because they genuinely believe the Emperor was right and that Angron's assessment of his tyrannical reign was incorrect for reasons, or out of hypocritical disgust where they found his methods icky but not the core ideology which informed the choice of those methods.

The answer to the latter is yes, of course.

Magnus resisted or ignored the diktats of his megalomaniac father on several matters, accidentally ruined his pet project by trying to harness powers the Emperor viewed as his exclusive purview, and had created a different form of society which was capable of functioning reasonably well when not subject to the depredations of literal gods.

Everything he made and every individual he commanded had to be destroyed to assuage the Emperor's pique, to liquidate a rival he could no longer control or contain, and to eliminate a competitive social model.

Total destruction of everything and everyone guilty of the crime of association by fealty.

Bronze age warlord shit.
 
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Quite a lot of 40k (and 30k) can probably be explained by it being the work of a man who never grew past their bronze age roots.
 
Magnus resisted or ignored the diktats of his megalomaniac father on several matters, accidentally ruined his pet project by trying to harness powers the Emperor viewed as his exclusive purview, and had created a form of society which was capable of functioning reasonably well when not subject to the depredations of literal gods.

Everything he made had to be destroyed to assuage the Emperor's pique, to eliminate a rival he could no longer control or contain, and to eliminate a competitive social model.

Total destruction of everything and everyone guilty of the crime of association by fealty.

Bronze age warlord shit.
That said, it must be made clear that Horus had hands in turning the Censure into a mission of total annihilation. He basically engaged in a smash-and-grab of the Prosperine psyker population.

On the other hand, as the author of HH Black Books noted, why did the Big E send Russ and his Wolves, of all Primarchs and Legions?
 
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That said, it must be made clear that Horus had hands in turning the Censure into a mission of total annihilation.

On the other hand, as the author of HH Black Books noted, why did the Big E send Russ and his Wolves, of all Primarchs and Legions?
He didn't have to do much to push Russ into committing to a campaign of total murder; as you observe, Russ was just the man for the job in any event, and this appears to have been a sentiment widely shared.
 
That said, it must be made clear that Horus had hands in turning the Censure into a mission of total annihilation. He basically engaged in a smash-and-grab of the Prosperine psyker population.
Valdor was right there telling him that the orders were to bring Magnus back alive to Terra, Prospero's destruction (and apparently a bunch of TS related worlds) is on Russ.
 
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Valdor was right there telling him that the orders were to bring Magnus back alive to Terra.
Which Russ at least listened and did try to talk to Magnus.

Unfortunately, Magnus had one of his Stupid moment and kept complete silence (and completely sabotaged the defence of Prospero, to ensure his sons and people of Prospero would die with him, in a meaningless gesture of suicidal 'penance.').

Seriously, the Burning of Prospero can be called 'Two Moronic Assholes Collide, and many die needlessly because of them.'
 
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Quite a lot of 40k (and 30k) can probably be explained by it being the work of a man who never grew past their bronze age roots.
For any other work than imperialistic genocidal conquest, he was exactly the wrong man for the job.

Unfortunately, the milky way in this universe is profoundly cursed, so that's who it got and that's what he decided to do, because that's all he understood.

Perpetuals.

Not even once.
 
You know, it's probably why he adamantly wanted humanity to remain human and ruled by humans, not the Primarchs or marines.
But only after ensuring that the leadership believe in his ideals and basically do what he'd want without any prompting and genociding anyone that doesn't fit within his ideal of humanity.
Objection! Primarch II and Primarch XI did nothing wrong!
One of them hogged the sharpshooter niche and then died so now the only shooty Primarch is Perturabo.:anger:
 
Even DAoT Humanity, by every evidence, was a pretty nasty piece of work.

Honestly, I do agree with at least some aversion of modern IoM toward that era, because it appears it really was a Dark Age. Granted, the IoM call it dark for different reason.
For example, the earliest combat record of Rhino is DAoT Human colonists using them to genocide a primitive alien race.

Other leftovers from DAoT includes the Butcher's Nails and planet Fenris, the latter of which is apparently an attempt at creating Norse Mythology-theme hellhole/prison world. And several other stuffs with disturbing implications.
 
Like the Bloodtide and Phosphex.
I was also thinking of several worlds the Imperium fought during the GC that are stated to have retained DAoT techs. Many of them were some kind of totalitarian dictatorship with active sadism.

But only after ensuring that the leadership believe in his ideals and basically do what he'd want without any prompting and genociding anyone that doesn't fit within his ideal of humanity.
He probably thought he could eventually go back to being a background force like he did for most of history.

Bronze age warlord shit.
Ironically, he was unquestionably a force of good in ancient (and medieval times), when bronze age warlord shit was norm and he was fighting Void Dragon and hunting down Chaos cultists as a knight.

Plus, he only went full Big E because of Age of Strife. On the minus side, he clearly thinks DAoT Humanity is ideal, which is wrong.
 
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The Bloodtide appears to be a specialist class of omniphage, which were general use nanoweapons that could kill everything living on a planet in hours by eating it.

Additionally, DAoT humanity, for whatever reason, also constructed automated strategic weapons that could kill suns, split planets open down to the core, flip continents, consume megacities, and eat space time, leaving a true absence of anything behind; the voids created didn't even have a connection to the warp and persisted for thousands of years after their generation.

It was a very silly period in Humanity's history and the Cybernetic Revolt, whatever its causes, was only as destructive as it turned out to be because everyone decided to make loads of these hyperweapons and point them at each other first.

Idiots, really.
 
Additionally, DAoT humanity, for whatever reason, also constructed automated strategic weapons that could kill suns, split planets open down to the core, flip continents, consume megacities, and eat space time, leaving a true absence of anything behind; the voids created didn't even have a connection to the warp and persisted for thousands of years after their generation.
Well according to that one short story anyway, depictions of DAoT power are all over the place.
It was a very silly period in Humanity's history and the Cybernetic Revolt, whatever its causes, was only as destructive as it turned out to be because everyone decided to make loads of these hyperweapons and point them at each other first.
Also everyone making their own genemods turned the human genome into a house of cards just in time for a storm to kick up some winds.
 
Well according to that one short story anyway, depictions of DAoT power are all over the place.

Also everyone making their own genemods turned the human genome into a house of cards just in time for a storm to kick up some winds.
Humanity is, functionally without exceptions, made up of utter loonies in this setting.

Makes you wonder how any period of political stasis or stability lasted for as many thousands of years as they did.
 
It was a very silly period in Humanity's history and the Cybernetic Revolt, whatever its causes, was only as destructive as it turned out to be because everyone decided to make loads of these hyperweapons and point them at each other first.
To be fair, given the existence of things like Orcs having weapons like that is rather justified.

Their issue seems to be that they automated it to ludicrous degrees and thus were extremely vulnerable when their automation turned against them.
 
Seeing how we got all dem drones and building remote controlled tanks and shit right now I don't see how assuming that as soon as we get the ability we gonna start building AI controlled deathbots of all sizes is seen as non realistic?

Or that we gonna automate everything that CAn be automated.
 
It ended with him being punished further by being arranged to be expelled from the fleet (argued down to probation with Loken by Sindermann), Loken agreeing with him doesn't negate that.
Loken agreed to be his sponsor because he felt like someone like him who was willing, to tell the truth no matter what was needed.

Even after Loken and the Mournival massacred a bunch of imperial personnel Loken continued to sponsor him.

Can you not with this bullshit? I don't appreciate being likened to trigger happy fascists for the "crime" of calling out fascist apologism. This is some genuine "both sides" nonsense.
I honestly hope that you're not accusing me of performing fascist apologism.
 
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