Our blood is our blood. Our ancestors will remain our ancestors.
It is as permanent as our being an Orc(A specie, what if it goes extinct, what if the name changes?).
Just more specific.
And the question was who we are.
It is as permanent as our being an Orc(A specie, what if it goes extinct, what if the name changes?).
Just more specific.
And the question was who we are.
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Yes. Not what we are.
Dranosh stopped being Blackrock when he decided to move on from it. It's transient, just like many things in life. Someday he may not be pure, someday, he may no longer be the one who unites the Mag'har. But as long as he lives, he'll be exactly who he is, right then and there, in that one sliver of time.
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ChaosTheVoid
Beyond the Outer Gates
[x] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
Ah, but here you make a fundamental mistake.
We are not saying "I am Blackrock"
We are saying "I am the blood of the Blackrock"
It's saying "these are my ancestors"
Blood, relatives. Not Clan.
As long as he lives, he will be descended from these people. Just as his children will be descended from these people through him.
It is not any more transient than his being an Orc.
Dark Abstraction
Infrequent Participant
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I'm at the update, but I want to weigh in, if I still can.
[X] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)
He is of the Blackrock clan, but that's not enough of what he is to describe him. He is pure and uncorrupted, but that's not enough of what he is to describe him. He is an orc, but that's not enough of what he is to describe him.
Unifier, repentant brother and friend, peace maker? That, is enough of who he is to describe him.
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[X] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
This is the rituals of winds. Not choosing wind is probably a mistake.
This is the rituals of winds. Not choosing wind is probably a mistake.
Cecylene
Eternal Idea Engine
- Location
- Massachusetts
- Pronouns
- He/They
[X] I am the free, that of the Mag'har. Pure, and purified, of the taint of fel things. (Earth)
I don't see the Earth being about being Pure so much as what being Pure means. That we've stabilized ourselves, that we have made a decision and now stand by it with all our strength.
"I am the free, that of the Mag'har."
The Mag'har are free, to be of them is to have planted ourselves like the Roots of a Mountain against the corruption of the Legion and those who would further walk a path of destruction. It's about making that choice for ourselves, which every Mag'har has done. They've all had the opportunities to unseat us, to simply get up and leave, to not volunteer for any number of the missions to help the Draenei or the Alliance, to not march a pilgrimage to Shattrath, and the Warsong especially have been reborn anew as a Clan.
We were pure because we choose not to follow the steps of those who walked a path that lead to destruction. We have been purified of the stain left upon our people by the Shame because of the work we've done to purge every poisoned thought from the Mag'har.
Though just because we have been purified, does not make the consequences dissappear, and it is this which makes us again Pure. For our goals are noble, our motivations are not self-serving. We are not going to the Furies to elevate ourselves above other in a vain quest for glory, we've gone before them to attain new ways to serve the Elements, our people, and through them both all of Draenor.
We are Dranosh Saurfang and a pillar, if not the foundation, of this new and tentative peace.
Our honor, honesty, and virtue have been a rock that the Mag'har, Velen's Draenei, the Netherwing, the humans and some elves of Hellfire Citadel, the Sporregar, the Fungal Giants, and hopefully one day our lost brothers who were swept up in a tide of Corruption and carried to Azeroth can count on to always be there for them to lean on. They can take comfort and draw strength from us.
The world was broken and corrupted like the Orcs were, but the Furies are pure and the land can be purified just as the Mag'har have been.
Air presents ourselves as we are, for that is indeed all we are now to ourselves and the Furies. Yet that is not who we can become or what we represent to others. To the numerous peoples we have met we are far more than simply Dranosh Saurfang.
Fire calls back to what crafted us, from our birth to our adulthood the blood of the Blackrock shaped us and molded us to who we had become at the start of this journey and even years later. Now though we are molded by the teachings and knowledge of our friends, things of the Arcane, the truth of Oshugan, the revelation of the existence of the Naaru and the Light, and the idea of a lasting and true peace if only we can push the demons off our world. Dranosh took his place as Warchief of the Mag'har due to his blood, but that is in purity and peace that he seeks to have the Mag'har take their place in a new world.
Water is so very close to this. We are indeed the unifier, we indeed seek to heal the pain caused by our kind, and we indeed seek forgiveness. Yet what we want is so much more. We seek reconciliation, to not only receive forgiveness but to also show that we are no longer the beasts tainted by the fel might of monster. We seek to not only heal the pain but also to become stronger from it, to rejoin as something more than what was broken and greater than the sum of the fragments left behind.
Dranosh's strength comes from the example he sets. With all his military might he always chooses diplomacy first. With the path of the arcane available he still chooses to honor the Furies and the ancient traditions. When the attacked by the Alliance he offered understanding and forgiveness.
Dranosh means the Heart of Draenor, and the drumbeat that he sets is being followed by more than just the orcs. We need to stand tall and strong, to weather all storms. Pure and Purified we are, now we need to guide others how to do the same.
I don't see the Earth being about being Pure so much as what being Pure means. That we've stabilized ourselves, that we have made a decision and now stand by it with all our strength.
"I am the free, that of the Mag'har."
The Mag'har are free, to be of them is to have planted ourselves like the Roots of a Mountain against the corruption of the Legion and those who would further walk a path of destruction. It's about making that choice for ourselves, which every Mag'har has done. They've all had the opportunities to unseat us, to simply get up and leave, to not volunteer for any number of the missions to help the Draenei or the Alliance, to not march a pilgrimage to Shattrath, and the Warsong especially have been reborn anew as a Clan.
We were pure because we choose not to follow the steps of those who walked a path that lead to destruction. We have been purified of the stain left upon our people by the Shame because of the work we've done to purge every poisoned thought from the Mag'har.
Though just because we have been purified, does not make the consequences dissappear, and it is this which makes us again Pure. For our goals are noble, our motivations are not self-serving. We are not going to the Furies to elevate ourselves above other in a vain quest for glory, we've gone before them to attain new ways to serve the Elements, our people, and through them both all of Draenor.
We are Dranosh Saurfang and a pillar, if not the foundation, of this new and tentative peace.
Our honor, honesty, and virtue have been a rock that the Mag'har, Velen's Draenei, the Netherwing, the humans and some elves of Hellfire Citadel, the Sporregar, the Fungal Giants, and hopefully one day our lost brothers who were swept up in a tide of Corruption and carried to Azeroth can count on to always be there for them to lean on. They can take comfort and draw strength from us.
The world was broken and corrupted like the Orcs were, but the Furies are pure and the land can be purified just as the Mag'har have been.
Air presents ourselves as we are, for that is indeed all we are now to ourselves and the Furies. Yet that is not who we can become or what we represent to others. To the numerous peoples we have met we are far more than simply Dranosh Saurfang.
Fire calls back to what crafted us, from our birth to our adulthood the blood of the Blackrock shaped us and molded us to who we had become at the start of this journey and even years later. Now though we are molded by the teachings and knowledge of our friends, things of the Arcane, the truth of Oshugan, the revelation of the existence of the Naaru and the Light, and the idea of a lasting and true peace if only we can push the demons off our world. Dranosh took his place as Warchief of the Mag'har due to his blood, but that is in purity and peace that he seeks to have the Mag'har take their place in a new world.
Water is so very close to this. We are indeed the unifier, we indeed seek to heal the pain caused by our kind, and we indeed seek forgiveness. Yet what we want is so much more. We seek reconciliation, to not only receive forgiveness but to also show that we are no longer the beasts tainted by the fel might of monster. We seek to not only heal the pain but also to become stronger from it, to rejoin as something more than what was broken and greater than the sum of the fragments left behind.
Dranosh's strength comes from the example he sets. With all his military might he always chooses diplomacy first. With the path of the arcane available he still chooses to honor the Furies and the ancient traditions. When the attacked by the Alliance he offered understanding and forgiveness.
Dranosh means the Heart of Draenor, and the drumbeat that he sets is being followed by more than just the orcs. We need to stand tall and strong, to weather all storms. Pure and Purified we are, now we need to guide others how to do the same.
GiftOfLove
From the Heart
[X] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
'Blood' is a 'what.' It's saying 'this is my ancestry. My ancestry determines who I am.' This is patently untrue, and is contrary to all that Dranosh has worked for. Ancestors are vital, yes- the immense relief felt by the Mag'har when we returned them is evidence of that. However, they are not what determines who Dranosh is. Before he was 'pure,' before he was the unifier, he was just a man- an orc- who, with courage in his heart, stood before a symbol of all that was wrong with his people, and denied it what it desired.
Dranosh is Dranosh in the moment. Not past, not future, he is who he is- and that impulse, that tremendous force of will and phenomenal fortitude of spirit that exists in the here and now is more who he is than any title, history or status.
People call him unifier because that's what he did- what he IS doing. He is of the Blackrock, because that's where he came from, but he strives beyond mere clan and redeems his ancestors simply by doing as he is doing. He is pure because he was fortunate enough to not be among the corrupted, and had the fortitude to turn away from the path of least resistance.
But all of that, all of that, is rooted in Dranosh the Orc.
That is who he is, when all context and pretext is cast away, that is what remains at the core of him. No more, no less.
Dranosh is Dranosh in the moment. Not past, not future, he is who he is- and that impulse, that tremendous force of will and phenomenal fortitude of spirit that exists in the here and now is more who he is than any title, history or status.
People call him unifier because that's what he did- what he IS doing. He is of the Blackrock, because that's where he came from, but he strives beyond mere clan and redeems his ancestors simply by doing as he is doing. He is pure because he was fortunate enough to not be among the corrupted, and had the fortitude to turn away from the path of least resistance.
But all of that, all of that, is rooted in Dranosh the Orc.
That is who he is, when all context and pretext is cast away, that is what remains at the core of him. No more, no less.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
- Location
- Getter Valhalla
Again, it's not that one is correct and the others aren't. It's pick the one you feel fits Dranosh best.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
I don't see that specified anywhere. I feel as though there are correct choices and incorrect choices here.
This is a test, after all.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
- Location
- Getter Valhalla
Like I've all ready said, the Furies are asking us who we are. We're voting to decide how Dranosh himself views who he is.
I would disagree with that.
At his core, Dranosh is passion, he is heart.
Cecylene
Eternal Idea Engine
- Location
- Massachusetts
- Pronouns
- He/They
Hell, it's his fucking name.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
I'm wary of operating on that assumption unless Torroar says you're on the money. It's a dangerous one to make.
That is one aspect of who he is. One piece of the puzzle that makes up Dranosh Saurfang. He's also a caring lover, a daring warrior. He harbors deep-seated guilt and tremendous loathing. He is a rock for his people in a tumultuous era, and he is a leader who gives them the means to heal themselves and to balm their wounds.
Boiling it all down to 'passion' is disingenuous. He's so much more nuanced than something which can be described by a single word.
He is no more and no less than all that he is. That is who he is- the whole of him.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
- Location
- Getter Valhalla
You're also assuming that there's only one right answer. I think you're wrong. We don't have concrete proof either way.
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When all we have are assumptions to go on, it's always better to err on the side of caution.
Also, I think Air is the most accurate for Dranosh out of the four choices anyway.
Oh really:
Cares with all his heart: Passionate.
Fights for what he believes to the fullest extend he is capable of: Passionate.
Doesn't feel them with half-measures, nor does he reject them: Passionate.
That inspires them through his passionate speeches.
He is the leader who stokes his people's feelings of admiration! He who is worthy of all heroes' envy, and he who leads their way, is king! Therefore, the king is not alone. For his will equals that of all his followers together!
We tore open the scab that was the Horde, we forced them to see their sin.
We are not the balm that heals. We are the flame that sterilized the wound so it could begin to heal properly.
We are passion.
And yet you boil it down to 'Orc'
A word that I would argue defines him even less given how he deals with the Draenei and Alliance.
The hypocrisy is staggering.
Dark Abstraction
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[X] I am the blood of the Blackrock. Through fire and forges we took our place in the world. (Fire)
I liked Qegre's explanation/reasoning, and while I don't really think any one answer is necessarily worse than the others, I think fire might be the most fitting for Dranosh.
I liked Qegre's explanation/reasoning, and while I don't really think any one answer is necessarily worse than the others, I think fire might be the most fitting for Dranosh.
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And what is an Orc?
An Orc is an entity of infinities. A creature who is capable of inventing, of worship, of play. An Orc is a thing with the power to create and the power to destroy. An Orc is full of thought, their minds can expand to encompass the whole of all things. An Orc is filled with passions great and small, they harbor fears both insignificant and crippling. An Orc can achieve wonders that are unthinkable for many creatures that are Not Orcs, and they are likewise capable of great atrocities.
An Orc can be a warrior, they can be a teacher, a mother, a father, an artisan or a myriad of other things. They are born, they live, they die, but their deeds are rarely forgotten. They record stories, they make their words and their symbols more than mere scribblings and etchings in sand or upon stone. They create history, then record that history. They build cities, destroy cities and rebuild again. They are capable of making grave and terrible errors, of being deceived and of breaking ancient oaths. They are capable of healing wounds, mending bridges, making friends where there were none before.
They are capable of communication. Their hearts beat beyond the pulse in their veins, joining communities in work and play, suffering and sadness, joy and triumph.
An Orc can be passionate, they can be meek. They can be humble, they can be arrogant. They can be many things- they can be everything that truly matters in a life.
And all this is barely scratching the surface of what an Orc is.
I reduce nothing when I argue that Dranosh is best described as an Orc. How can I? I can't even describe the vastness of what an Orc is, just as I cannot ever hope to fully elucidate on the full scope and nature of humanity. Restricting that endless nature to simple words and titles is a pitiable shame.
Recognition of the inner infinity, above and beyond all other things, is something transcendent. I think it's something that's needed here, now.
Ashynarr
The Immortal Witc)( Empress of Trollkind
- Location
- Alternia
*slow claps because wow I could not have worded it better myself*
And in doing so, you completely avoid the question asked.
What are you, Dranosh Saurfang. Who. Are you.
"Orc" says many things. Many of which do not Describe Dranosh Saurfang of the Mag'har, who is born of the Blackrock.
We stand at a crossroad. About to take a path. About to Define.
A bad time for recognition of the inner infinity. For we only define a refusal to define.
And that. Does not Describe Dranosh, who knows Who he is.
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Who is Dranosh Saurfang? Can anyone sum up who they are in a single sentence? Likewise, can anyone hope to do the same to another without doing them a terrible disservice?
Dranosh is Dranosh. He is all that Dranosh is: everything good and everything ill. Everything that can be described in words, and everything that cannot.
All the other statements tie Dranosh's character to one thing or another. This is inaccurate and smothering; he is more than words can describe. He is Dranosh Saurfang, no more and no less.
I agree. Dranosh does know who he is.
He is more than what you say. He is Dranosh Saurfang. He is all that he is, and he is all that he is. Dranosh is defined by any one thing, but by the whole and totality of his being. You view this as being evasive, of not buckling down and choosing a single thing by which he can be summed up.
I believe otherwise. The fact that we are even given the choice to define as such is evidence that it's a valid decision. The proper path is that of inclusiveness: of embracing all that one is and all that one is capable of and saying that this- all of this- is who one is.
This is not wishy-washy, this is not indecisive. This is looking in the mirror and saying 'yes, I am who I am. I am no more and no less than who I am.' It is saying that nothing-- nothing-- can adequately contain and describe who you are as a person.
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