Warcraft: The Rise of the Mag'har

Qeqre · Nov 17, 2015

Carrnage said:
huh fire seems very close in temperament to fel, and water to holy, earth is probably close to druidism and air to arcane.

Hahahaha No.

The Light("holy") is the belief that what you're doing is the right thing to do.

Fire is closest in temperament to that.

Ashynarr · Nov 17, 2015

So we've had arguments for Air, Water, and Fire, but I don't recall if anyone has made a solid case for Earth yet. Anyone think they can rock something the other Earth supporters can ground themselves to? It's only fair to give everyone a fair chance at supporting their case.

Massgamer · Nov 17, 2015

Qeqre said:
And Fire means we seek to ensure that such a thing never happens again. That those wronged are given justice rather than for those who have suffered to forgive us.

We can do all that while making sure the people and victims come first.

If they see us doing what we can to heal the wounds they will forgive since destruction is easy fixing the damage is harder and has longer term affects.

We can prevent the crimes from happening again by becoming guardians against the Legion.

I simply think that choosing the most violent path isn't healthy and don't see why we can't defeat our enemies without walking it.

Ashynarr said:
So we've had arguments for Air, Water, and Fire, but I don't recall if anyone has made a solid case for Earth yet. Anyone think they can rock something the other Earth supporters can ground themselves to? It's only fair to give everyone a fair chance at supporting their case.

There have been plenty of arguments for earth.

Qeqre · Nov 17, 2015

Massgamer said:
We can do all that while making sure the people and victims come first.

Or we can do it because it's the right thing to do.

Massgamer said:
If they see us doing what we can to heal the wounds they will forgive since destruction is easy fixing the damage is harder and has longer term affects.

Qeqre said:
Seek forgiveness? The hatred towards Orcs is justified and we will bear it, not ask for them to forgive. We will atone, we will strive to make amends but some Shames are too big to simply forgive.

Forgiveness should be given unasked.

Thanks but no thanks.

*Cough*

Also, it is not destruction.

It is upholding honour.

Massgamer said:
We can prevent the crimes from happening again by becoming guardians against the Legion.

To stand against Evil, to draw the line and say "No Further"

That is fire. Retribution and Protection. The Sword. The Shield. The Guardian.

The Light in the Darkness, that which purges evil.

Massgamer said:
I simply think that choosing the most violent path isn't healthy and don't see why we can't defeat our enemies without walking it.

Not denying that it is, on some level, less healthy.

Is it In Character though? Oh Yes.

rx915 · Nov 17, 2015

torroar said:
[] I am the blood of the Blackrock. Through fire and forges we took our place in the world. (Fire)
[] I am the free, that of the Mag'har. Pure, and purified, of the taint of fel things. (Earth)
[] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)
[] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)

Fire, earth, water and air.... is there supposed to be one for the spirit of the wilds?

Loktarogar · Nov 17, 2015

I think the side with less arguments was fire but Qeqre with his shounen speechs is drawing people to his side

Qeqre · Nov 17, 2015

Loktarogar said:
I think the side with less arguments was fire but Qeqre with his shounen speechs is drawing people to his side

To be honest, I wasn't expecting people to go for it.

I just think it's the most IC option of the four. Answering the question most comprehensively.

I'm not looking at it in terms of benefits in mind or power. I'm just looking at what answers the question of "who are you" best for Dranosh.

Jadankorr · Nov 17, 2015

[x] I am the blood of the Blackrock. Through fire and forges we took our place in the world. (Fire)

Massgamer · Nov 17, 2015

Qeqre said:
I just think it's the most IC option of the four. Answering the question most comprehensively.

No the most IC way to go is water in my opinion cause it's been noted that while Dranosh does have rage he doesn't like it and walking the path of fire is basically welcoming the Blood Rage.

bzzt3421 · Nov 17, 2015

[X] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)

Carrnage · Nov 17, 2015

Ideally we'd want a 4 way tie.

The Stormbringer · Nov 17, 2015

Carrnage said:
Ideally we'd want a 4 way tie.

Nice try, but I don't think he'd give us all four.

Carrnage · Nov 17, 2015

The Stormbringer said:
Nice try, but I don't think he'd give us all four.

what if they were never four separate outcomes in the first place? but rather the proportion of votes for each option is what's important.

Stormgear · Nov 17, 2015

The thing about all these choices is that they don't really reflect what we've seen from the Furies. The Furies don't care what you've done in your life, or what titles you carry, or what you intend to do. All these things, things like honor and status, occupation and what-not, they're ultimately meaningless. They're things that have as much weight and as much permanence as a cobweb in a hurricane.

Paradoxically, claiming only to be an Orc- and walking the path of Air- seems to represent the most solid pillar of his existence. Everything else can be stripped away, everything else is temporary.

But Dranosh will always be exactly what he is until the day he dies.

So what is he, really, from the perspective of entities that have a view of time and reality that operates on tectonic timescales? Is he something so ephemeral that you can sum it up in a single word, is he something so contrived that his existence is only relevant within the context of his culture, his society, his history?

I don't think so.

Hence, air.

Derek58 · Nov 17, 2015

We're not trying to guess what the Furies see Dranosh as, but what he sees himself as. They're asking us who we are.

Stormgear · Nov 17, 2015

They are. But remember what happened when he screwed up? He claimed the title of warchief, then he tried to say he was leader of the Mag'har. Both got him flayed.

The one that convinced them to listen was a simple proclamation of his name.

Qeqre · Nov 17, 2015

Massgamer said:
No the most IC way to go is water in my opinion

And mine is that Fire is the most IC.

Clearly we differ.

Massgamer said:
cause it's been noted that while Dranosh does have rage he doesn't like it and walking the path of fire is basically welcoming the Blood Rage.

And his response to hearing of crimes is to burn it in the memories of everyone. To passionately speak so that we may learn from it.

You are right in that Fire looks to the past. However, you are wrong in assuming that means we'd live in it.

We would learn from it so that it may never happen again.

Walking the path of fire isn't just "welcoming the Blood Rage" that's a grossly oversimplified view of Fire.

It is emotional yes, but it also chooses to live by one's moral code.

Dranosh is passionate, his hatred burns, his guilt is fierce, he weeps out of sympathy... He is a flame that burns. rather than water that flows around obstacles.

Stormgear said:
The thing about all these choices is that they don't really reflect what we've seen from the Furies. The Furies don't care what you've done in your life, or what titles you carry, or what you intend to do. All these things, things like honor and status, occupation and what-not, they're ultimately meaningless. They're things that have as much weight and as much permanence as a cobweb in a hurricane.

Paradoxically, claiming only to be an Orc- and walking the path of Air- seems to represent the most solid pillar of his existence. Everything else can be stripped away, everything else is temporary.

But Dranosh will always be exactly what he is until the day he dies.

Or to be more specific. He is the child of his parents, who were the children of their parents.

"Lo, there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning."

Fire narrows down what wind states and acknowledges the sins that come with it.

Derek58 · Nov 17, 2015

Stormgear said:
They are. But remember what happened when he screwed up? He claimed the title of warchief, then he tried to say he was leader of the Mag'har. Both got him flayed.

The one that convinced them to listen was a simple proclamation of his name.

That doesn't mean there's only one right answer here. All four are valid choices.

Avalon · Nov 17, 2015

[X] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)

Riggnarock · Nov 17, 2015

[X] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)

Stormgear · Nov 17, 2015

Qeqre said:
Or to be more specific. He is the child of his parents, who were the children of their parents.

"Lo, there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning."

Fire narrows down what wind states and acknowledges the sins that come with it.

When clan is dissolved, when that name loses its meaning, what purpose does it serve?

These things are not permanent. Transient clans and bloodlines are meaningless before the eternities that are the Furies.

Massgamer · Nov 17, 2015

What's the vote count now?

This is the most divided vote so far in the quest so it's hard to keep track.

Derek58 · Nov 17, 2015

Massgamer said:
What's the vote count now?

This is the most divided vote so far in the quest so it's hard to keep track.

Water still has a solid lead over Air.

Vote tally:
##### 3.21
[] I am the free, that of the Mag'har. Pure, and purified, of the taint of fel things. (Earth)
No. of votes: 12
Nix's Warden, Sinsystems, Lost Star, Alectai, Heretek, yrsillar, notanautomaton, Zoxabels, Kairae, Guilliman, Carrnage, avonphoenix

[] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)
No. of votes: 31
DragonParadox, Outoftheinferno, Iandude0, thehermit242, Massgamer, Derek58, Alex pears, Karion, Void Stalker, HanEmpire, Razor One, MagusBlack, veekie, tarrangar, Timaeus, Droman, tenchifew, Archanist, Tylonius, Beyogi, Whumbly, TheHappyVampire, Frankite316, Cjdavis103, ebolasos, rippleuser344, jwolfe_beta, Vilegrave, The Stormbringer, Chaosbrain, Riggnarock

[] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
No. of votes: 23
Ashynarr, Nervos Belli, Astaroh-M, Ando Owen, afterthought53, Romv, FullNothingness, Dark Ness, Somebodynobody10, Crowhunter, Andrew5073, CreepyShutIn, Stormgear, Khepri14, Darkcrest, Thanatos757, SneakyWalrus, Nox, Shard, ArchAIngel, rx915, bzzt3421, Avalon

[] I am the blood of the Blackrock. Through fire and forges we took our place in the world. (Fire)
No. of votes: 13
Reklaw, Qeqre, Krowe, EricShin, Loktarogar, Skybreaker, Garlak, Karugus, al103, kitsune9, The Grim Squeaker, Restalaan, jadankorr

TheHappyVampire · Nov 17, 2015

I don't really care which element we get. Both seem to be pretty good.

Just caught up on this quest. Damn, that hatred towards the Horde is REALLY sharp. I guess this will help diplomacy with the Alliance and other factions negatively affected by the Horde.

Massgamer · Nov 17, 2015

TheHappyVampire said:
I don't really care which element we get. Both seem to be pretty good.

Yeah that's true but it's hard not to have a favorite to support.

Also cool how much talk there is about how deep the paths might mean.

GM did say this was an important decision so the discussion is nice.

TheHappyVampire said:
I guess this will help diplomacy with the Alliance and other factions negatively affected by the Horde.

We are still Orcs so it might be hard but if we the the Expeditions' support it will help.

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