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I see.
Most people may also like water since it fits the character well and it describes what we are most likely we are doing going forward.
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That's sort of presumptuous Mass, I could argue fire for warmth, air to breathe, earth for crops. A major theme of the elements in Warcraft is that all of them are vital to life.
Earth has nothing to do with the purity of one's blood, but the purity and integrity of their goals and motivations. Its saying that "this is a noble goal, one I can dedicate myself to fully", the option explicitly mentions the purified, and the Mag'har have moved passed discriminating against greenskins. it's not like Green orcs can't wield the elements in WOW. Earth is all about dedication and conviction, and that sort of conviction more than anything else is what drives Dranosh.
Dranosh fights against evil in all the forms he come across. Be it with word, sword, or courage. The fact is the whole point of the Mag'har is to have a society fully devoted to confronting evil, be it their brethren, the legion, or anyone else. Unifying the orcs is only a small part of that, and done explicitly to prevent them from losing sight of who the real enemies are.
Earth has nothing to do with the purity of one's blood, but the purity and integrity of their goals and motivations. Its saying that "this is a noble goal, one I can dedicate myself to fully", the option explicitly mentions the purified, and the Mag'har have moved passed discriminating against greenskins. it's not like Green orcs can't wield the elements in WOW. Earth is all about dedication and conviction, and that sort of conviction more than anything else is what drives Dranosh.
Dranosh fights against evil in all the forms he come across. Be it with word, sword, or courage. The fact is the whole point of the Mag'har is to have a society fully devoted to confronting evil, be it their brethren, the legion, or anyone else. Unifying the orcs is only a small part of that, and done explicitly to prevent them from losing sight of who the real enemies are.
True but a lot of people voted for it after some started saying voting for it would make us bigoted towards those who no longer support those that do or use fel enegy themselves but bare a mark from having done so once.
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[X] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal thepains caused by my kind. (Water)
[X] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
This one feels like it's at it's most... simplified. The core of things. I am orc.
Also, I think I recall it being the case that Air is the primary element which was associated with the Blademasters. Some of the tricks Kaz talked about were about using air to move I think...
So, I'm picking the answer that seems the most simplified-ideal to me; and the answer that feels the most connected to Blademasters.
(i.e. I already associate Air/Wind with Blademasters; so that's one of the things I see in this answer.)
This one feels like it's at it's most... simplified. The core of things. I am orc.
Also, I think I recall it being the case that Air is the primary element which was associated with the Blademasters. Some of the tricks Kaz talked about were about using air to move I think...
So, I'm picking the answer that seems the most simplified-ideal to me; and the answer that feels the most connected to Blademasters.
(i.e. I already associate Air/Wind with Blademasters; so that's one of the things I see in this answer.)
Also this. This is why I am voting for earth. Dranosh is all about conviction and dedication to one's goals. See his willingness to kill Draenai and alliance members if they attack his people despite the fact that his wronged them first.
[X] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)
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Air seems like a detachment to me at least and that doesn't fight what we are doing in general.
That sounds more like Water to me since we are seeking to unify people and heal past wounds but I'll respect your decision.
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[X] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
Andrew5073
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[X] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
It sounds somewhat arrogant, but it's the only one that's purely him.
Fire: He's not here as a member of the Blackrock Clan (particularly since he doesn't care much for the legacy of those ties these days).
Earth: He himself was never a Fel Orc; other Mag'har were, but they aren't here.
Water: Saying he seeks forgiveness is one thing, but he was never a part of the Horde's atrocities or (more importantly in context) of the maining of Draenor and rejection of the spirits. If there's something between him and the Elements to be sorry for, fine, but I don't see it.
Also, check the title of the post; a hint? Or a red herring? (Or just coincidence).
It sounds somewhat arrogant, but it's the only one that's purely him.
Fire: He's not here as a member of the Blackrock Clan (particularly since he doesn't care much for the legacy of those ties these days).
Earth: He himself was never a Fel Orc; other Mag'har were, but they aren't here.
Water: Saying he seeks forgiveness is one thing, but he was never a part of the Horde's atrocities or (more importantly in context) of the maining of Draenor and rejection of the spirits. If there's something between him and the Elements to be sorry for, fine, but I don't see it.
Also, check the title of the post; a hint? Or a red herring? (Or just coincidence).
In wow Earth represents conviction and dedication. Not water. And convection and dedication is what Dranosh has in spades.
Honestly I think you tend to focus way to much on one part of something that you miss or form opinions that give you issues with comprehending the rest. Dranosh's primary goal hasn't been righting the wrongs caused by the horde but making sure his people survive and that they never do something like that ever again.
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Not saying he doesn't I just feel what is described in the Water path describes him best and the path we most want to follow.
This.
Dranosh is also not just in it for himself he works for others so Air doesn't fit in my opinion.
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[X] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)
Regardless of the Earth "Pure" debate his goal above all else is to redeem his people in their eyes the eyes of the furies and most importantly in the eyes of the hordes victims. And inquest he's taken those steps to begin The horrendously long process of healing old wounds.
To me Our goal is not to Kill The Legion but to destroy it. To destroy its ideals so thoroughly it will never return and to do that we must do what they can't. All they can do is destroy, we can heal we can rebuild it Will never truly purify us of their taint but it will show we are not the same savage warriors that know only how to kill.
My two cents on the matter
Regardless of the Earth "Pure" debate his goal above all else is to redeem his people in their eyes the eyes of the furies and most importantly in the eyes of the hordes victims. And inquest he's taken those steps to begin The horrendously long process of healing old wounds.
To me Our goal is not to Kill The Legion but to destroy it. To destroy its ideals so thoroughly it will never return and to do that we must do what they can't. All they can do is destroy, we can heal we can rebuild it Will never truly purify us of their taint but it will show we are not the same savage warriors that know only how to kill.
My two cents on the matter
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It's been stated countless times he wants to make up the Shames' actions and heal the wounds of others which included making his people better.
He always tries to make peace with those the Horde has harmed so I don't see why it's not one of his primary goals.
How? We have not focused on healing the wounds that our people have caused above all else. Yes we have done that but it is not our main goal.
Again that is not his main goal and never has been his main goal. It has been to make sure his people survive and never do what the horde did ever again. If that were his main goal like you and mass insist it is then every single option we have voted for would be focused on doing that somehow.
Yes he wants to do that. But guess what? He has also stated that his people's survival trumps that. He also tries to make peace with those that the horde has wronged because he does want peace and to make reparations for what they did however again his people trump that.
You should really go reread the quest. Yes Dranosh wants to make amends for what the horde did but he also is willing to put his people's survival above that.
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Again that's a side effect of his primary goals. Which is to make sure that something like the horde never happens again. Part of the reason the horde happened was because of all the different clans and the cultures they had. And the orcs can't afford infighting due to what has happened.
Seriously mass reread the updates. I think you will see that unifying and healing the wounds caused by the horde has been a happy side effect of dranosh's primary goals.
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Okay chill while this is important Torr is not going to screw over an entire quest because of one choice that is not deeply explained.
I am chill. I'm just trying to get mass to relook over the quest. He sometimes gets focused on stuff to the point where he misses other things. Heck I do it too as do a ton of other people.
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I did reread the quest and while that might have been the main goal in the beginning it has changed through all our experiences thus far to include more things than just the survival of the Orcs but also uniting a culture, destroying the Legion, fixing the mistakes of the Horder, and it will no doubt alter further as time goes on bringing new things to the table.
Also I'm not seeing how the Earth path is better than the Water path in general based on what people are saying so it's unlikely I'll change my mind on the matter.
I simply feel that Water best fits the character and how we will most likely play going forward.
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Vote tally:
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[] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)
No. of votes: 26
Loktarogar, DragonParadox, Outoftheinferno, Iandude0, thehermit242, Massgamer, Derek58, Alex pears, Karion, Void Stalker, HanEmpire, EricShin, Razor One, MagusBlack, veekie, tarrangar, Timaeus, Droman, tenchifew, Archanist, Tylonius, Beyogi, Whumbly, TheHappyVampire, Frankite316, Cjdavis103
[] I am the free, that of the Mag'har. Pure, and purified, of the taint of fel things. (Earth)
No. of votes: 11
Nix's Warden, Sinsystems, Lost Star, Alectai, Heretek, yrsillar, Karugus, notanautomaton, Skybreaker, Zoxabels, Kairae
[] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
No. of votes: 12
Ashynarr, Nervos Belli, Astaroh-M, Ando Owen, afterthought53, Romv, FullNothingness, Dark Ness, Somebodynobody10, Garlak, Crowhunter, Andrew5073
[] I am the blood of the Blackrock. Through fire and forges we took our place in the world. (Fire)
No. of votes: 1
Reklaw
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[] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)
No. of votes: 26
Loktarogar, DragonParadox, Outoftheinferno, Iandude0, thehermit242, Massgamer, Derek58, Alex pears, Karion, Void Stalker, HanEmpire, EricShin, Razor One, MagusBlack, veekie, tarrangar, Timaeus, Droman, tenchifew, Archanist, Tylonius, Beyogi, Whumbly, TheHappyVampire, Frankite316, Cjdavis103
[] I am the free, that of the Mag'har. Pure, and purified, of the taint of fel things. (Earth)
No. of votes: 11
Nix's Warden, Sinsystems, Lost Star, Alectai, Heretek, yrsillar, Karugus, notanautomaton, Skybreaker, Zoxabels, Kairae
[] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
No. of votes: 12
Ashynarr, Nervos Belli, Astaroh-M, Ando Owen, afterthought53, Romv, FullNothingness, Dark Ness, Somebodynobody10, Garlak, Crowhunter, Andrew5073
[] I am the blood of the Blackrock. Through fire and forges we took our place in the world. (Fire)
No. of votes: 1
Reklaw
Water's got a huge lead.
[X] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
Partly because it seems the most Blademaster-y of the four; partly because it's just my favorite element; partly for the simplicity of it, pure and clear.
Partly because it seems the most Blademaster-y of the four; partly because it's just my favorite element; partly for the simplicity of it, pure and clear.