Thinking this much or maybe really significant. Get some of the good ettin and still have a bit of surplus for a safety net.
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We definitely need to get one of these 3 options no matter what. There are a few questions to ask to determine which is best though.
1: how strong are Ettin in relation to trolls. specifically how strong is the average Ettin compared to the average troll front-line combatant, the Elite Ettin fighters vs Dire Trolls and finally the Mountain King vs Jo Jo's Brother.
2: How much food we can gain next turn and over the turns leading up to the fight. (I am sure we can gain some at least.)
3: How much long term growth is worth losing in exchange for the short term advantage in the fight. Remember stuff now is better than stuff later, Especially since Ettin's dying instead of our fighters will be a major help in terms of mitigating population loss from the fight. So you can consider them to be population growth as well in a sense.
@torroar Could you please answer these questions? Or at least the first 2?
Also beyond ecstatic to see you back dude. Love this quest
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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is it possible to get all of the Ettin? I really want the mountain king to come along.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
An Incredible Amount would be that. Though not so much "all of the Ettin" as "all of the best fighters the Ettin have."
Massgamer
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I personally am not against going to slight deficit if it means we have a whole bunch of ettin on hand to fight Hakkar worshipers since it would be worth it considering the danger they pose and the fortified base we are likely to encounter.
It might also put us in ettins' good graces if they see us as a good source of food and work in general.
It might also put us in ettins' good graces if they see us as a good source of food and work in general.
Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
The question of course is when are we pulling the trigger and starting this show.
If it's only a turn or so then I saw we take the hit in order to get all the best on call.
Hakkarr needs to be destroyed, not only because of what he's done, but by what our gods demand. They want these heretics purged and they want everything we've got thrown at them to make sure.
If it's only a turn or so then I saw we take the hit in order to get all the best on call.
Hakkarr needs to be destroyed, not only because of what he's done, but by what our gods demand. They want these heretics purged and they want everything we've got thrown at them to make sure.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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- Liberl Zemuria.
If we want to afford the 2500 option we should do as many farming raising options as possible, That way we can act without a deficit.
Massgamer
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I mean, should be finishing our military prep after next turn so we can head out as soon as possible. Having ettins on our side would also mean we can move army through the mountains easier so I think worth investment.
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- canada
[] An Incredible Amount: -2500 Farming Income Per Turn Until Called (Gain the aid of 14-17 Ettin, including the mighty Mountain King himself, and all the best ettin fighters in the village) Food Situation Becomes Slight Deficit
That option is as close as we can get to it. Though that is probs most of the Ettin anyway I figure at least 40% of their total pop and 70% of their actual combatants. Remember there are women and children with them too!
Tithed_Verse
Vainglorious
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- Iowa
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- They/Them
I'm thinking
[] An Incredible Amount:
We can always set up more food, and getting the Ettin King is no small thing.
[] An Incredible Amount:
We can always set up more food, and getting the Ettin King is no small thing.
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I imagine children and women ettin could also devour trolls provided they act as a group lol. But point taken i suppose xD.
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- canada
agreed that is what I am leaning for as well.
true
but they are also weaker and more likely to die so less willing to be risked that would be a great idea if possible
Xilentxium
Existential Crisis Management
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- Temperate Regions
Assuming we hit the Hakkar turn after next we could probably take the hit to food and make up for it after.
Worst comes to worst the deficit becomes a surplus again due to all the loses anyway
Worst comes to worst the deficit becomes a surplus again due to all the loses anyway
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- canada
well the deficit only lasts until the fight anyway so no matter the losses we will be in a surplus after even if we lose no troops.
Restalaan
What do you mean i am not a real cowboy?
I'm just gonna have to say that if we take food deficit, we'll have to go the next round pronto.
I'm more on being Stable rather food deficit TBH, but if the thread can agree that we head the next turn immediately, we can prob afford the hit. If not, can we take being stable instead. It's still 10-14 Ettins.
I'm more on being Stable rather food deficit TBH, but if the thread can agree that we head the next turn immediately, we can prob afford the hit. If not, can we take being stable instead. It's still 10-14 Ettins.
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- canada
taking the food deficit would be fine for a single round but ya the round after next is a must. We should also get any options that increase food income.
Restalaan
What do you mean i am not a real cowboy?
That'll be the best option.
Thankfully we've dealt with the Gnoll problem earlier and our backs should be secured for now. Only thing left is the kobolds and then the Hakkaris. Hopefully, the clearing Kobold path would succeed. Otherwise we'll take some penalties while trying to get there.
Massgamer
Advance toward the Future
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Kobolds are going to be a constant low-level threat, at least at first, simply due to their numbers in general. Our forces so far have been able to handle their legions so far, but as we get deeper into their domain they might bring out some surprises like geomancers, war beasts, etc.
However, that is for later so Hakkaris are the bigger threat and can easily afford to focus solely on them at this time.
Other than that, the Vale is pretty much locked down with internal rebellion unlikely to happen unless we really screw up something.
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We'll have a stewardship action available next turn, as we finished rebuilding one of the major cities, so we can use it to expand our farming income if necessary. Slight deficit doesn't mean any pf our population will be starving, though it will be close.
So I think that its worth it to take the most expensive option here, and get the Ettin King and all of his best fighters on our side for the fight against Hakkar. With their giant height and skin tougher than dragonskin (according to the wiki), they can be a key part of our attack on the Hakkari.
I see us using them either against fortifications, as a counter to any large/armored forces the hakkari have, or holding them back to use as a surprise blitzkrieg force against the enemy casters during a key battle. It all depends on what we see in the Hakkari lands, and what we need most.
So I think that its worth it to take the most expensive option here, and get the Ettin King and all of his best fighters on our side for the fight against Hakkar. With their giant height and skin tougher than dragonskin (according to the wiki), they can be a key part of our attack on the Hakkari.
I see us using them either against fortifications, as a counter to any large/armored forces the hakkari have, or holding them back to use as a surprise blitzkrieg force against the enemy casters during a key battle. It all depends on what we see in the Hakkari lands, and what we need most.
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- canada
oooo ya besides wouldn't rebuilding the city itself increase our food income a bit?
Travler66
Let her name echo in song!
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- Beyond
For reference, here's our current farming income.
The most expensive option for the Ettin costs -2500 Gold which will leave us at 500 and leave us Slightly Deficit, but if we attack the Hakkari in the next turn, this will not be a problem.
1. Very strong. EDIT: Try this link to Ettin and look at the pictures. Ettin
2. We'll see.
3. I'm not answering this.
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Not a concern, the projects locked up are the city ones, which means once complete they will improve the food situation. The 10 turn road building action is important enough that it's completion should begin in turn 29. Not like the food situation is a problem, unless an invading force moves into Stranglethorn, but that doesn't seem likely.
[X] A Really Significant Amount: -2000 Farming Income Per Turn Until Called (Gain the Aid of 11-14 ettin when finally marching against the Hakkari, including some of the best ettin fighters) Food Situation Becomes Stable
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