The bonds may not be as broken, and they may break in time no matter what we do, but just because a criminal is chained up is not enough reason to start using the prison as building materials.

Some obviously thought the benefits outweighed the risks, but the rest of us are cowering over here.
And at the same time we were taking an diplomacy actions too.

.....oh well at least we only took the one with the minor opinion drop, the mining actions going to cause us enough trouble as is,
 
Because we're getting into EXACTLY the same issue that royally fucked over the Nerubians.
It's only a little digging not going nuts digging down, and this also unlocks saronite ore research, which Arcman has stated is how we develop counters to Old God Influence.

To be fair, if you're looking for a way to start combating Old God corruption now the mines are the way to go. It's dangerous, but it won't get safer anytime soon.

Less, in-fact.
 
Because the benefits of The Idea Of Foreign Relations are much better and we take less of a reputation hit.
It's going to take 5 fucking years for the Idea to even work. That's way too fucking long, we needed diplomatic relationships now. Now we have even less time to actually court the other races and get things set up so that they can help us and we can help them with the Scourge.

And also, it locks away one of our diplomatic action slots for 5 years. That's a huge lost that we couldn't afford. Meaning, we'll also have less capability to do internal diplomacy.
 
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It's going to take 5 fucking years for the Idea to even work. That's way too fucking long, we needed diplomatic relationships now. Now we have even less time to actually court the other races and get things set up so that they can help us and we can help them with the Scourge.
We only had five years to start out with last I checked.

The scourge will probably have arrived before we even finish it.
 
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If we get a great success, will that speed up how fast we can do diplomacy?
He's stated that will happen if we do well in the rolling explanation.

It's going to take 5 fucking years for the Idea to even work. That's way too fucking long, we needed diplomatic relationships now. Now we have even less time to actually court the other races and get things set up so that they can help us and we can help them with the Scourge.

And also, it locks away one of our diplomatic action slots for 5 years. That's a huge lost that we couldn't afford. Meaning, we'll also have less capability to do internal diplomacy.
There's nothing that can be done about that now. Voting is locked so all you can do is hope we roll well and reduce the time a bit.
 
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The Scourge aren't going to immediately attack us the moment they arrive people. The Lich King needed a few years to practice his powers and get them to grow powerful and even longer before he learned of the Nerubians, learned he can't dominate their minds and that his plague couldn't infect then and decided they were a threat and attacked. We have plenty of time.
 
We only had five years to start out with last I checked.

The scourge will probably have arrived before we even finish it.
Exact-fucking-didly. That is why doing it ourselves was the superior choice in the context that we were in, because we are running on a extremely sort deadlines, and I cannot say this enough, IDEA FUCKING LOCKS AWAY OVER HALF OF OUR DIPLOMATIC ACTIONS FOR FIVE FUCKING YEARS!!

That means 5 less diplomatic actions to use to either court foreign races or to put our internal affairs in order, that's a crippling blow to us for us in the short term extreme situation that we are in right now.

There's nothing that can be done about that now. Voting is locked so all you can do is hope we roll well and reduce the time a bit.
And if people had thought about the consequences before voting we would not be in this mess.

Or actually, if people had fucking bothered to read the goddamn action before voting. Stupidity on this scale cannot be let go, it needs to be fucking noted and then shouted into someone's fucking ear until they get the fucking hint.
 
The Scourge aren't going to immediately attack us the moment they arrive people. The Lich King needed a few years to practice his powers and get them to grow powerful and even longer before he learned of the Nerubians, learned he can't dominate their minds and that his plague couldn't infect then and decided they were a threat and attacked. We have plenty of time.
And how do you know that BS doesn't mean before the Scourge start attacking? How can you know for sure that BF means before the Scourge arrive?

You don't. For all we know, they are already here and BS is when the war starts. Again, it could be your thing, but that's something that we are in no position to risk.
 
Wow, calm down Deadly Snark. It's not the end of the world that we did this one action.

And how do you know that BS doesn't mean before the Scourge start attacking? How can you know for sure that BF means before the Scourge arrive?

You don't. For all we know, they are already here and BS is when the war starts. Again, it could be your thing, but that's something that we are in no position to risk.
And you don't know that it does mean that.
 
Exact-fucking-didly. That is why doing it ourselves was the superior choice in the context that we were in, because we are running on a extremely sort deadlines, and I cannot say this enough, IDEA FUCKING LOCKS AWAY OVER HALF OF OUR DIPLOMATIC ACTIONS FOR FIVE FUCKING YEARS!!

That means 5 less diplomatic actions to use to either court foreign races or to put our internal affairs in order, that's a crippling blow to us for us in the short term extreme situation that we are in right now.


And if people had thought about the consequences before voting we would not be in this mess.

Or actually, if people had fucking bothered to read the goddamn action before voting. Stupidity on this scale cannot be let go, it needs to be fucking noted and then shouted into someone's fucking ear until they get the fucking hint.
Shut up your being anoying and giving me the erge to do the oposite of whatever you say becouse of how stupid your post seem so stop over reacting.
 
Wow, calm down Deadly Snark. It's not the end of the world that we did this one action.
This is me being calm. But like I said.

Stupidity on this scale needs to get it's fucking ears shout off, because 5 fucking less diplomatic actions limits our ability to do things by an incredibly level. We've effectively sawed one of our fucking legs off and can't regrow it for fucking years, when the other option would have simply done damage that would have been easily recoverable, you know, because in doing that other option we would have had 2 FUCKING DIPLOMATIC ACTIONS PER TURN!!!

Shut up your being anoying and giving me the erge to do the oposite of whatever you say becouse of how stupid your post seem so stop over reacting.
If you are willing to shoot yourself in the foot because I'm calling people out over making stupid decisions, which makes you want to do stupid decisions just to spite me, well that's your problem not mine.

quit youre bitching we are on a set coarse now
[X]DD on Mining
And maybe you should put that DD in a place that fucking needs it. Like the fucking 30% action that takes 5 fucking years.
 
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This is me being calm. But like I said.

Stupidity on this scale needs to get it's fucking ears shout off, because 5 fucking less diplomatic actions limits our ability to do things by an incredibly level. We've effectively sawed one of our fucking legs off and can't regrow it, when the other option would have simply done damage that would have been easily recoverable, you know, because in doing that other option we would have had 2 FUCKING DIPLOMATIC ACTIONS PER TURN!!!

omg will you shut up ever time you post like this i just want to vote against you out of spite
 
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