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[X]Reserve place for 1,000 Volunteers
[X]Cattle – 10,000 (Can supply own Light Leather, gives food)
[X]Sheep – 8,000 (Can supply own Wool, gives food)

[X]Yes
-[X] Prices:
--[X] Basic Scourgestones: 4g each, 85g per 20.
--[X] Basic Troll Beads: 5g each, 55g per 10.
--[X] Advanced Scourgestones: 14g each, 75g per 5
--[X] Advanced Troll Beads: 14g each, 145g per 10
--[X] Elite Scourgestones: 50g each
--[X] Elite Troll Beads: 45g each
--[X] Leader Scourgestones: 200g each
--[X] Leader Troll Beads: 180g each
-[X] General Bounties(basic, advanced, elite, leader) are capped at 3.500g(Scourge) and 3.000g(Trolls) per month.
--[X] Additionally, there's a separate bounty pool for high ranking Scourge(elite, leader) at 2.000.
---[X] Bounty pools are counted separately(Total possible bounty drain of 8.500/month on the treasury).
 
[X]Reserve place for 1,000 Volunteers
[X]Cattle – 10,000 (Can supply own Light Leather, gives food)
[X]Sheep – 8,000 (Can supply own Wool, gives food)

[X]Yes
-[X] Prices:
--[X] Basic Scourgestones: 4g each, 85g per 20.
--[X] Basic Troll Beads: 5g each, 55g per 10.
--[X] Advanced Scourgestones: 14g each, 75g per 5
--[X] Advanced Troll Beads: 14g each, 145g per 10
--[X] Elite Scourgestones: 50g each
--[X] Elite Troll Beads: 45g each
--[X] Leader Scourgestones: 200g each
--[X] Leader Troll Beads: 180g each
-[X] General Bounties(basic, advanced, elite, leader) are capped at 3.500g(Scourge) and 3.000g(Trolls) per month.
--[X] Additionally, there's a separate bounty pool for high ranking Scourge(elite, leader) at 2.000.
---[X] Bounty pools are counted separately(Total possible bounty drain of 8.500/month on the treasury).

Well the update answers that particular question, though I'm guessing that offering bounties on the Trolls is going to block us from trying to make peace with them. Eh, it was a longshot anyway.
 
[X]Reserve place for 1,000 Volunteers
[X]Cattle – 10,000 (Can supply own Light Leather, gives food)
[X]Sheep – 8,000 (Can supply own Wool, gives food)

[X]Yes
-[X] Prices:
--[X] Basic Scourgestones: 4g each, 85g per 20.
--[X] Basic Troll Beads: 5g each, 55g per 10.
--[X] Advanced Scourgestones: 14g each, 75g per 5
--[X] Advanced Troll Beads: 14g each, 145g per 10
--[X] Elite Scourgestones: 50g each
--[X] Elite Troll Beads: 45g each
--[X] Leader Scourgestones: 200g each
--[X] Leader Troll Beads: 180g each
-[X] General Bounties(basic, advanced, elite, leader) are capped at 3.500g(Scourge) and 3.000g(Trolls) per month.
--[X] Additionally, there's a separate bounty pool for high ranking Scourge(elite, leader) at 2.000.
---[X] Bounty pools are counted separately(Total possible bounty drain of 8.500/month on the treasury).

Good enough plan for me. I don't really care about the bounties that much. Definitely in favor of securing our own herds of domestic animals for food and craft purposes.

Next trade deal I am in favor of acquiring potion plant seeds and maintaining our own gardens. After that should be horses and silk.
 
[X]Reserve place for 1,000 Volunteers
[X]Cattle – 10,000 (Can supply own Light Leather, gives food)
[X]Sheep – 8,000 (Can supply own Wool, gives food)

[X] no bounties
 
[X]Reserve place for 1,000 Volunteers
[X]Cattle – 10,000 (Can supply own Light Leather, gives food)
[X]Sheep – 8,000 (Can supply own Wool, gives food)

[X]Yes
-[X] Prices:
--[X] Basic Scourgestones: 4g each, 85g per 20.
--[X] Basic Troll Beads: 5g each, 55g per 10.
--[X] Advanced Scourgestones: 14g each, 75g per 5
--[X] Advanced Troll Beads: 14g each, 145g per 10
--[X] Elite Scourgestones: 50g each
--[X] Elite Troll Beads: 45g each
--[X] Leader Scourgestones: 200g each
--[X] Leader Troll Beads: 180g each
-[X] General Bounties(basic, advanced, elite, leader) are capped at 3.500g(Scourge) and 3.000g(Trolls) per month.
--[X] Additionally, there's a separate bounty pool for high ranking Scourge(elite, leader) at 2.000.
---[X] Bounty pools are counted separately(Total possible bounty drain of 8.500/month on the treasury).
 
Actually, I'd say that we shouldn't offer a bounty on the Trolls. If they were to fall to the Scourge, it would be really bad for us, so for now it's probably best to focus on the Scourge.
 
TheHappyVampire said:
Should we do diplomacy or not? Oddly enough, it seems figuring out what to do with the trolls is harder than fighting the Scourge.
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We should at least try to get a nonaggression treaty for now, imo.

[x] Plan Diplomacy
[X]Reserve place for 1,000 Volunteers
[X]Cattle – 10,000 (Can supply own Light Leather, gives food)
[X]Sheep – 8,000 (Can supply own Wool, gives food)

[X]Yes
-[X] Prices:
--[X] Basic Scourgestones: 4g each, 85g per 20.
--[X] Advanced Scourgestones: 14g each, 75g per 5
--[X] Elite Scourgestones: 50g each
--[X] Leader Scourgestones: 200g each
--[x] Boss Scourge will receive a minimum reward of 2000g. The reward will increase based on the strength and importance of the individual.
-[X] General Bounties(basic, advanced, elite, leader) are capped at 6.500g(Scourge) per month.
--[X] Additionally, there's a separate bounty pool for high ranking Scourge(elite, leader) at 2.000.
---[X] Bounty pools are counted separately(Total possible bounty drain of 8.500/month on the treasury).
 
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[X]Reserve place for 1,000 Volunteers
[X]Cattle – 10,000 (Can supply own Light Leather, gives food)
[X]Sheep – 8,000 (Can supply own Wool, gives food)

[X]Yes
-[X] Prices:
--[X] Basic Scourgestones: 4g each, 85g per 20.
--[X] Basic Troll Beads: 5g each, 55g per 10.
--[X] Advanced Scourgestones: 14g each, 75g per 5
--[X] Advanced Troll Beads: 14g each, 145g per 10
--[X] Elite Scourgestones: 50g each
--[X] Elite Troll Beads: 45g each
--[X] Leader Scourgestones: 200g each
--[X] Leader Troll Beads: 180g each
-[X] General Bounties(basic, advanced, elite, leader) are capped at 3.500g(Scourge) and 3.000g(Trolls) per month.
--[X] Additionally, there's a separate bounty pool for high ranking Scourge(elite, leader) at 2.000.
---[X] Bounty pools are counted separately(Total possible bounty drain of 8.500/month on the treasury).
 
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[x] Plan Diplomacy
[X]Reserve place for 1,000 Volunteers
[X]Cattle – 10,000 (Can supply own Light Leather, gives food)
[X]Sheep – 8,000 (Can supply own Wool, gives food)

[X]Yes
-[X] Prices:
--[X] Basic Scourgestones: 4g each, 85g per 20.
--[X] Advanced Scourgestones: 14g each, 75g per 5
--[X] Elite Scourgestones: 50g each
--[X] Leader Scourgestones: 200g each
--[x] Boss Scourge will receive a minimum reward of 2000g. The reward will increase based on the strength and importance of the individual.
-[X] General Bounties(basic, advanced, elite, leader) are capped at 6.500g(Scourge) per month.
--[X] Additionally, there's a separate bounty pool for high ranking Scourge(elite, leader) at 2.000.
---[X] Bounty pools are counted separately(Total possible bounty drain of 8.500/month on the treasury).
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[x] Plan Diplomacy
[X]Reserve place for 1,000 Volunteers
[X]Cattle – 10,000 (Can supply own Light Leather, gives food)
[X]Sheep – 8,000 (Can supply own Wool, gives food)

[X]Yes
-[X] Prices:
--[X] Basic Scourgestones: 4g each, 85g per 20.
--[X] Advanced Scourgestones: 14g each, 75g per 5
--[X] Elite Scourgestones: 50g each
--[X] Leader Scourgestones: 200g each
--[x] Boss Scourge will receive a minimum reward of 2000g. The reward will increase based on the strength and importance of the individual.
-[X] General Bounties(basic, advanced, elite, leader) are capped at 6.500g(Scourge) per month.
--[X] Additionally, there's a separate bounty pool for high ranking Scourge(elite, leader) at 2.000.
---[X] Bounty pools are counted separately(Total possible bounty drain of 8.500/month on the treasury).
 
Frosty Wolf said:
Well the update answers that particular question, though I'm guessing that offering bounties on the Trolls is going to block us from trying to make peace with them. Eh, it was a longshot anyway.
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Making peace with the Trolls was already going to be hard, making peace with the Elves made it harder.

Now that we've established contact with the other human nations and the alliance? We might be able to retake our lands without striking a deal with them.

Valerian said:
Next trade deal I am in favor of acquiring potion plant seeds and maintaining our own gardens. After that should be horses and silk.
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We could technically get all 3 of those next shipment...

TheHappyVampire said:
Should we do diplomacy or not? Oddly enough, it seems figuring out what to do with the trolls is harder than fighting the Scourge.
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notanautomaton said:
We should at least try to get a nonaggression treaty for now, imo.
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We are already trying to diplomance the Blood Elves, High Elves and forsaken.

Diplomacy with the Trolls was already going to strain relations with elf-led factions and would invariably involve concessions of Lordaeron's territory.

Additionally, weakening places like Deatholme, Stratholme and the Plaguewoods means the High Elves are going to come under larger amounts of pressure from the Trolls. And we'll want to take out those places because they're pressuring the Elves and the Hearthglen.

Read the turn 9 results again. They were planning to raid us(which we avoided due to reinforcing the Eastwall garrison), they held Elven and Human prisoners(which we freed) and they've got some asshole spreading plague through their ranks.

TheHappyVampire said:
--[x] Boss Scourge will receive a minimum reward of 2000g. The reward will increase based on the strength and importance of the individual.
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Also, while killing a boss is possible, it's going to kill a lot of adventurers/mercenaries in the process. I'd rather wait a few months with the bounty, whittle down the Scourge/Troll numbers(and potentially take out a base or two in the meantime) before we risk feeding the Scourge large numbers of armed bodies.
 
Qeqre said:
We could technically get all 3 of those next shipment...
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We might not want to spend that much by that point though. That's why I split it up.

Qeqre said:
Also, while killing a boss is possible, it's going to kill a lot of adventurers/mercenaries in the process. I'd rather wait a few months with the bounty, whittle down the Scourge/Troll numbers(and potentially take out a base or two in the meantime) before we risk feeding the Scourge large numbers of armed bodies.
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I guess the real question is, how many adventurers are we even talking about? I've been thinking a few dozen, which we wouldn't really miss if they get themselves killed. You however are implying far larger numbers (in the hundreds). I don't think we will get that many adventurers, we are hardly the only staging point for these types of people.
 
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Valerian said:
I guess the real question is, how many adventurers are we even talking about? I've been thinking a few dozen, which we wouldn't really miss if they get themselves killed. You however are implying far larger numbers (in the hundreds). I don't think we will get that many adventurers, we are hardly the only staging point for these types of people.
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Basically I'm expecting that if anything bites for the boss? There's going to be raid-sized groups(10, 25 or 40. Probably 40) at a bare minimum. And that they'll be of variable quality depending on the bounty.

Considering the suggested bounty is "in the thousands" for a boss? A Bounty floor 2.000 is going to draw smaller groups, less equipped groups and/or fewer troops. Especially if said bosses still have their full army with them.

At the very least I'd wait until the next shipment(4 months of grinding down Scourge, hopefully with us taking out Scourge bases) before we "open up the new raid instance" as it were. And I'd select specific, named bosses and start the bounty substantially higher(and have it grow).

e.g.
[] Set up a separate fund of 5.000g(set aside in treasury immediately) and add 1.000g a month as bounty for the head of Darkmaster Gandling.
-[] Additional bounty of 2.000(+400/month) set aside per faculty member(there were 7 if I'm remembering correctly).

Initial cost: 19.000.
Additional cost: 3.800/month

Controlled? Yes. Expensive? Definitely. Actually likely to get results? Absolutely.

The Scourge actively grows stronger the more corpses they get. If we don't expect a lot of adventurers? Do not put a bounty on targets of concentrated power like bosses. As those are hit-or miss(either they kill the boss or they feed corpses to our enemy).

Don't take chances by skimping on the bounty and do not put the bounty up when their armies are at relatively full strength basically. Especially against an enemy like the Scourge.
 
Qeqre said:
Adventurer plan
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Not a bad plan, we will just have to see who bites and how effective they are. I mean if our average adventurer only manages 5-10 troll or undead kills till they fall in turn we could be looking a bad exchange rate. Or it could go the other way and they will be creep killing demi-gods.

Time (and rolls) will tell.
 
The high elves are the elves that are loyal to the Alliance and are willing to work with humans, right? If the development of the relationship with them goes well, will they take a more active approach to problems outside of their territory? They haven't at the time after the First and Second Wars. Also, how difficult will it be to subtly convince the blood elves to move to a better path. A path that doesn't lead to consorting with demons and being prejudice assholes.
 
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notanautomaton said:
The High Elves don't have a territory though.
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They hold the Quel'Danil and Quel'Lithien lodges in addition to being a notable group in Dalaran, whatever High Elves remain with the Alliance expedition in Outland and possibly Dawnstrider Harbour in Northern Lordaeron.

But yea, hopefully we can get them to reconcile with the Blood Elves. Or, failing that, hopefully we can secure Windrunner Spire and assorted Demesne.
notanautomaton said:
But the High Elves are only one percent of the former High Elf population. (90% killed, 9% became Blood Elves) They're not a significant demographic. It would be much easier and better to patch up relations with the Blood Elves.
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Blood Elves are more resentful of the Alliance though. And more willing to consort with Demons.

Blood Elves are more powerful. High Elves are easier to make friends with.
 
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Qeqre said:
being a notable group in Dalaran, whatever High Elves remain with the Alliance expedition in Outland and possibly Dawnstrider Harbour in Northern Lordaeron.
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  1. How they can be a notable group in Dalaran I don't understand. These people were imprisoned and/or put to the sword by Dalaran.
  2. How these people can be part of the alliance I don't understand. All the Blood Elven government would need to do is inform the High elves here why they're not apart of the Alliance and you'll see the group dissolve as each elf decides for themselves where their loyalties lie. Quel'Thalas is their home, their people were massacred, and the survivors are asking for help. These are military people, staying with the Alliance when their government is no longer allied to that group is sacrilege.
  3. Unlikely given the how close it is to Quel'Thalas.
 
Silveraith said:
  1. How they can be a notable group in Dalaran I don't understand. These people were imprisoned and/or put to the sword by Dalaran.
  2. How these people can be part of the alliance I don't understand. All the Blood Elven government would need to do is inform the High elves here why they're not apart of the Alliance and you'll see the group dissolve as each elf decides for themselves where their loyalties lie. Quel'Thalas is their home, their people were massacred, and the survivors are asking for help. These are military people, staying with the Alliance when their government is no longer allied to that group is sacrilege.
  3. Unlikely given the how close it is to Quel'Thalas.
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1. The Blood Elves were imprisoned. Not the High Elves. Politics had already set in at that point IIRC. Kael'thas' forces were imprisoned, the High Elves who already lived there(given that they helped found the city and are generally good mages, which is helpful in the Magocracy of Dalaran)
2. The people of Quel'Thalas were massacred yes. For which the Burning Legion and the Scourge are to blame. In Canon, Kael'thas decides to work for Illidan(who works for Kil'Jaeden) and later goes on to work for Kil'Jaeden directly. In addition to accepting help from the forsaken(undead, even if it was out of desperation). Quel'Thalas got wrecked, this too is true. But again, that was because of Dar'khan and the Scourge(and just the scourge in Warcraft 3). Even then the problem mostly escalated due to an earlier reluctance by the Elves to send aid(OOC, much as he was an asshole, Garithos did nothing wrong, the Elven government betrayed the Alliance first).
2.1 They are not military people by the way. And a large part of the Massacre hasn't appeared to have happened yet. As Dalaran is still standing.
2.2 It is also not sacrilege. It's not even insubordination. Dalarani citizens(which include High Elves) are Dalarani citizens, not Quel'thalassians.
3. The Blood Elves have a tenuous grip on the Ghostlands at best. Tranquillien only got retaken with the aid of the Forsaken. And between Alleria Windrunner(High Elf. 100% High Elf), Vereesa Windrunner(High Elf) and Sylvanas(Forsaken) the High Elves have a better claim on Windrunner Spire.
 
Perhaps find a way to convince Lor'themar to rally the blood elves to the Alliance's side with Valeera? It's probably best he becomes the king/leader of the elves instead of any of the (living) Windrunners leading them. I doubt the blood elves would like having a human-lover and the possible future of having a half-elf lead them.
 
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