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- United States
Looks like the artillery and carbine trials went well at least.
Valkyria Chronicles: Drums of War
- Thread starter Ithillid
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That's not 'how well', I think. That's 'how many candidates showed up'.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
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- He/Him/His
Alright my own mathpost so I can test out if I understand this quest's system:
Electrification Dawnbreak (Stage 3) Request Bids for Contracting 3
Electrification Dawnbreak (Stage 3) Bids for Contracting 59 2 69
Electrification Dusk March (Stage 1) 0+22+45+28+15 = 110/350
Guncotton Plants 0+69+30 = 99/250
New Salem Armory Upgrades 0+58+31 = 89/150
Dockyard Expansion Shikaakwa 0+92+33+20 = 145/200
Dockyard Expansion New Amsterdam Request Bids for Contracting 1
Dockyard Expansion New Amsterdam Bid for Contracting 11
Cold Springs Artillery Foundry Request Bids for Contracting 1
Cold Springs Artillery Foundry Request Bid for Contracting 9
Ragnite Prospecting Expeditions 62+53 = 115
Military Readiness Programs Malnutrition Treatment Protocols 78+35 = 113
Army Machine Gun Trials 2/6
Field Artillery Trials 3/4
Carbine Trials 9/10
Plan Goals
(Bring army readiness to mediocre)
(Bring at least 20 points of ragnite onto the market)
(Complete at least 5 Electrification Stages)
(Expand at least two docks to Level 3, and at least 1 dock to level 5)
Tracked Statistics
Civil Morale: Very High
Taxes are low, butter is flowing, and for the average citizen, conflict is a distant affair. While there is substantial unrest from labor organizing, exploitation of the workforce, the temperance movement has cut down apple orchards across a couple of states, and there are a hundred other minor fires, right now, things are, on average, getting better. People feel like there is more money in their pockets than there was this time last year, and the year before that.
Political Support: Medium
At this point, you are an experiment, and are being rushed into service. Most of your staff is pillaged from other government offices, the machinery is pulled from spares, and the mandates are loose, to say the least. So right now, you need to hit the ground running with a program, the more aggressive the better.
Status of Factions
Status of Factions is less parties in power, and more factions within those parties. There are strong bonds between the parties at this point in history, and oftentimes a faction is heavily regionally associated. For example, the Progressives are strong in the northeastern cities, while the Agrarianists are strong in the southern plantation belt. However, Progressives and Agrarians are part of the same Federalist Party.
Federalist Party
Progressives: Strong Support
The progressive party is a relatively elitist and reformist party. While not strictly motivated by noblesse oblige, the core of the progressive movement is middle and upper class old money that sees the conditions of sweatshops and factories and of lower class life in general and feels a desire to help, rather than drawing from the lower class themselves.
Agrarianists: Weak Support
The Agrarianists or the Grange as they refer to themselves, are reformist smallholders for the most part. Their agenda favors a lax monetary policy to ease debt burdens, federal intervention in agriculture to make it more financially sustainable, creation of farming cooperatives, and other means for small farmers to maintain crop prices at a living wage.
Proletarians: Weak Support
Proletarians are a bottom up group, largely in favor of workers rights, unionization, regulations on business and a host of other issues largely relating to workers' power. You are likely to do little to address many of their issues, aside from producing large numbers of well paying government jobs, which is reflected in their limited support.
Democratic Party
Jacksonians: Weak Opposition
Jacksonians, as they term themselves, largely build their position on opposition to the federal government. While building army and naval strength is, as they see it, within your remit, they feel other activities should rightfully be left to the states.
Fiscalists: Ambivalent
The Fiscalists are, more than anything else, budget hawks. While happy to spend money on pet projects, they usually tie these projects to tax increases, particularly tariffs intended to protect their businesses.
N/B: These are the most prominent groups right now, there are others, but in the interest of time they are not being mentioned right now.
Readiness of Forces
(Readiness of forces is on a 5 point scale, Low, Mediocre, Medium, High, Very High, measuring how confident that force is in prosecuting its expected duties. A Very High readiness military that expects to only defend its home nation would likely falter if sent abroad, while a Mediocre military that is meant to go on expeditions may prove quite hardy fighting close to their own bases.)
Army: Low
Vinland's army is far more of a pro-forma force than an actual military. Only a few tens of thousands strong, and the vast majority of them dotted in penny packets around the periphery, mostly manning various naval fortresses, the Army lacks in nearly all aspects of modern warfighting, with rifles, uniforms, fixed artillery (mostly Dahlgren pattern naval rifles in casemates) and little else. It cannot be relied upon to do anything other than fight a war on Vinland's shores, and even that it expects to do poorly.
Navy: Medium
Vinland's navy is a solid, professional force. At its core is an oversized fleet of battleships of a relatively modern class and type, displacing just over ten thousand tons, and carrying 13 inch naval rifles, with an array of different calibers of secondary and tertiary armament. Beyond that, much of the navy is of an older pattern, steel hulled hybrid rigged ships, slow and cumbersome under sail, and underpowered under steam.
Current Economic Issues:
Energy: Limited Infrastructure
Capital Goods: +6
Consumer Goods: Plentiful and highly varied
Labor: +4, +1 per turn
Resources :250 resources per turn 0+250-45-60-30-20 = 95 in reserve
So we have some decent bids for Electrification, are behind in Dusk March Electrification, both guncotton and the armory upgrade are on schedule, Shikaakwa is ahead of schedule and needs like one more die to probably complete, New Amsterdam and Cold Springs are a bust this turn, Ragnite Prospecting and Malnutrition Treatment are both on schedule, army machine guns and artillery trials are basic, but that carbine trial is going to get us something special.
Electrification Dawnbreak (Stage 3) Request Bids for Contracting 3
Electrification Dawnbreak (Stage 3) Bids for Contracting 59 2 69
Electrification Dusk March (Stage 1) 0+22+45+28+15 = 110/350
Guncotton Plants 0+69+30 = 99/250
New Salem Armory Upgrades 0+58+31 = 89/150
Dockyard Expansion Shikaakwa 0+92+33+20 = 145/200
Dockyard Expansion New Amsterdam Request Bids for Contracting 1
Dockyard Expansion New Amsterdam Bid for Contracting 11
Cold Springs Artillery Foundry Request Bids for Contracting 1
Cold Springs Artillery Foundry Request Bid for Contracting 9
Ragnite Prospecting Expeditions 62+53 = 115
Military Readiness Programs Malnutrition Treatment Protocols 78+35 = 113
Army Machine Gun Trials 2/6
Field Artillery Trials 3/4
Carbine Trials 9/10
Plan Goals
(Bring army readiness to mediocre)
(Bring at least 20 points of ragnite onto the market)
(Complete at least 5 Electrification Stages)
(Expand at least two docks to Level 3, and at least 1 dock to level 5)
Tracked Statistics
Civil Morale: Very High
Taxes are low, butter is flowing, and for the average citizen, conflict is a distant affair. While there is substantial unrest from labor organizing, exploitation of the workforce, the temperance movement has cut down apple orchards across a couple of states, and there are a hundred other minor fires, right now, things are, on average, getting better. People feel like there is more money in their pockets than there was this time last year, and the year before that.
Political Support: Medium
At this point, you are an experiment, and are being rushed into service. Most of your staff is pillaged from other government offices, the machinery is pulled from spares, and the mandates are loose, to say the least. So right now, you need to hit the ground running with a program, the more aggressive the better.
Status of Factions
Status of Factions is less parties in power, and more factions within those parties. There are strong bonds between the parties at this point in history, and oftentimes a faction is heavily regionally associated. For example, the Progressives are strong in the northeastern cities, while the Agrarianists are strong in the southern plantation belt. However, Progressives and Agrarians are part of the same Federalist Party.
Federalist Party
Progressives: Strong Support
The progressive party is a relatively elitist and reformist party. While not strictly motivated by noblesse oblige, the core of the progressive movement is middle and upper class old money that sees the conditions of sweatshops and factories and of lower class life in general and feels a desire to help, rather than drawing from the lower class themselves.
Agrarianists: Weak Support
The Agrarianists or the Grange as they refer to themselves, are reformist smallholders for the most part. Their agenda favors a lax monetary policy to ease debt burdens, federal intervention in agriculture to make it more financially sustainable, creation of farming cooperatives, and other means for small farmers to maintain crop prices at a living wage.
Proletarians: Weak Support
Proletarians are a bottom up group, largely in favor of workers rights, unionization, regulations on business and a host of other issues largely relating to workers' power. You are likely to do little to address many of their issues, aside from producing large numbers of well paying government jobs, which is reflected in their limited support.
Democratic Party
Jacksonians: Weak Opposition
Jacksonians, as they term themselves, largely build their position on opposition to the federal government. While building army and naval strength is, as they see it, within your remit, they feel other activities should rightfully be left to the states.
Fiscalists: Ambivalent
The Fiscalists are, more than anything else, budget hawks. While happy to spend money on pet projects, they usually tie these projects to tax increases, particularly tariffs intended to protect their businesses.
N/B: These are the most prominent groups right now, there are others, but in the interest of time they are not being mentioned right now.
Readiness of Forces
(Readiness of forces is on a 5 point scale, Low, Mediocre, Medium, High, Very High, measuring how confident that force is in prosecuting its expected duties. A Very High readiness military that expects to only defend its home nation would likely falter if sent abroad, while a Mediocre military that is meant to go on expeditions may prove quite hardy fighting close to their own bases.)
Army: Low
Vinland's army is far more of a pro-forma force than an actual military. Only a few tens of thousands strong, and the vast majority of them dotted in penny packets around the periphery, mostly manning various naval fortresses, the Army lacks in nearly all aspects of modern warfighting, with rifles, uniforms, fixed artillery (mostly Dahlgren pattern naval rifles in casemates) and little else. It cannot be relied upon to do anything other than fight a war on Vinland's shores, and even that it expects to do poorly.
Navy: Medium
Vinland's navy is a solid, professional force. At its core is an oversized fleet of battleships of a relatively modern class and type, displacing just over ten thousand tons, and carrying 13 inch naval rifles, with an array of different calibers of secondary and tertiary armament. Beyond that, much of the navy is of an older pattern, steel hulled hybrid rigged ships, slow and cumbersome under sail, and underpowered under steam.
Current Economic Issues:
Energy: Limited Infrastructure
- Electrical Infrastructure: 3/21 Stages completed
- Coal: +6
- Oil: +4
- Ragnite: +2
- Rail: +7
- Naval: +2
- Road: +1
- Quantity: Plentiful
- Quality: Low to Mixed
Capital Goods: +6
Consumer Goods: Plentiful and highly varied
Labor: +4, +1 per turn
Resources :250 resources per turn 0+250-45-60-30-20 = 95 in reserve
So we have some decent bids for Electrification, are behind in Dusk March Electrification, both guncotton and the armory upgrade are on schedule, Shikaakwa is ahead of schedule and needs like one more die to probably complete, New Amsterdam and Cold Springs are a bust this turn, Ragnite Prospecting and Malnutrition Treatment are both on schedule, army machine guns and artillery trials are basic, but that carbine trial is going to get us something special.
0t4n1z3r019
Member of the HAFPTG
- Location
- Philippines
I hope the participants that came for the carbine trials cooked something good with their proposals.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I don't think the trial rolls are for quality but for how many different bids we get, all of which could theoretically be horrible if luck was really feeling like kicking us right now.
Speaking of poor luck, looks like we'll be needing to look for new bids on the dockyards and artillery foundry... maybe switching to looking at Portsmouth instead.
Speaking of poor luck, looks like we'll be needing to look for new bids on the dockyards and artillery foundry... maybe switching to looking at Portsmouth instead.
0t4n1z3r019
Member of the HAFPTG
- Location
- Philippines
Us getting a freaking Madsen 1888 is insane, not gonna lie
- Location
- Here, there, everywhere.
Not really it's aggressively mid despite being revolutionary. Plus it would make our industrial base scream to try and produce on en mass.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Also, I gather it was quite a bit more revolutionary in 1888 than it would be now.
It also was uh, kinda a *heavy* weapon for a carbine? Like, I don't think it would be that much lighter than the LMG version, which was only, oh 9 kilos? Almost 3 times as much as a Berthier, twice as much as a bolt-action rifle. Even if they halved the weight for this from the LMG, it's still a full rifle weight.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Fair, fair. On the other hand, as part of a spectrum of different offerings it's kind of interesting to see even if we wouldn't want to pick it.
And it's better than "your choices are a single-shot smokepole or the Ross rifle," eh?
And it's better than "your choices are a single-shot smokepole or the Ross rifle," eh?
0t4n1z3r019
Member of the HAFPTG
- Location
- Philippines
What kind of firearms that we can introduce in this that will work? Some of Browning's creations?
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
There's a ton of possible firearm designs that work. It's just that some of them go down in history as "best of the breed," while others are mid, while still others are mid-with-major drawbacks, and a few are just plain bad. We're probably going to get a wide mix of those types.
We're getting 9 different carbines, there's quite a spread. Artillery though...just two or three options.
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0t4n1z3r019
Member of the HAFPTG
- Location
- Philippines
The Folsom Assault Carbine from Resistance: Fall of Man would be great for the 1930s Vinland Armed Forces, and just in time for the Empire's invasion of Europa.
I dunno, fully auto .303 with a grenade launcher? That's a bit ambitious, and rough on the shoulders.
Most of the weapons in this series, aside from the Ragnite ones, are kind of homages to normal WWI and WWII weapons. Even in the first game, they're using knockoff Gewehrs. I suspect we'll have to wait a while for a weapon like that—unless esoteric weapons research allows us to obtain something similar. (I'll admit, this is based on some assumptions about how the author will handle it.)
I don't quite get your point about the carbines, specifically in response to my post. But artillery seems like it could be a tough choice—unless we want to re-roll?
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The point is that we can choose from a wide variety, ranging from level-actions, shortened rifles, semiautos, maybe even a bullpup.
0t4n1z3r019
Member of the HAFPTG
- Location
- Philippines
I see.
We'll definitely see anachronistic versions of the Remington Model 8, Madsen and such in the participants once they're picked in the next chapter and the competition starts in the next one.
Ummmmm. We're selecting Carbines. Not an entire arsenal. Not Yet. A shortened 1893 would be a carbine.
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Yes, but we got 9 different options for which to pick for our cavalry to use as a carbine. There's likely to be a fair bit of variation.