Unpopular opinions we have on fiction

[FeigningGrey]

"Let's go! open up, it's time for Unpop!"
Alright, time for my mandatory Unpopular Opinions Post. Let's get this over with.
"You're late. You know the deal. You can Omelaspost for a Funny, or you can make an interesting post for an Insightful."
Here in Unpopular Opinions Poster Civilisation, no one chooses to make interesting posts. It's better to make the one joke everyone knows for the Funny, rather than risk your entire life for just one Insightful rating.
"Tomorrow you better not be late, or I'll have you posting for Informative reactions as punishment."
"Yes sir, sorry, I won't be late next time."

Down here, us Omelasposters only get one Rating a day. One Funny rating is just enough to get your post:reaction ratio to the next day. But that's the life of Unpopular Opinions Poster Civilisation. If you wanna survive, you have to Unpopular Opinions Post. Every Omelasposter has the same goal, and that's to make it to the top thread, where all the Brothers Karamazovposters live. Except, most Brothers Karamazovposters are born on the top thread. If you're an Omelasposter, there's only one way up, and that is through the Temple of Unpopular Opinions. The Temple of Unpopular Opinions is the only structure on SV that combines the bottom thread to the top thread. To make it up, you have to post an impossibly hard Unpopular Opinion Reply that no Omelasposter has ever completed. And that's assuming you even get the chance to post the reply in the thread. The inside of the Temple is protected by a barrier and the only way an Omelasposter gets past the barrier is if they've earned a gilded post. I've never even tried getting a gilded post before, but if I'm going to rank up to a Brothers Karamazovposter one day, I'm gonna have to.

 

[DestinyPlayer]

Mind you, I'm enough of a basic bitch that I would've been 100% onboard with Rey finding a badass Grandmaster Luke on Ach-To.

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My favorite alternative version of Luke I've seen is that everyone thought that he was being edgy and gloomy and hermity while in reality his ship's engine just broke and he was stranded after flying off somewhere to cool off after an argument.

 

[Claudette Savagely]

Well, yeah, the middle three Bayformers are proof enough of that.
But given TLJ was the highest grossing film of its year AND got critical acclaim, I'm baffled whenever anyone suggests Disney was pressured to cave-in to the more reactionary fans with TROS.
Not only do the dates not line-up (JJ was brought onto IX a few months before TLJ came out), but outside of Rey Palpatine... I can't really think of anything that comes off as maliciously trying to undo the film, so much as it is JJ having to rush because Iger insisted on a 2019 release. If anything, there are parts of the film that feel like he earnestly wanted to build on what Rian brought to the table.

True, but I still would've preferred to see him properly interact with the rest of the cast before he kicked (and really wish he'd become Finn's space-dad). I think of his death like Natasha's in Avengers: Endgame.

Honestly, there's a line from Shadows of Midnor that leaves me convinced that Luke's characterization in TLJ was a perfectly reasonable direction for the character to go in, and the differences between canon and Legends is more akin to one zigging, while the other zagged (well, that and Legends!Luke having a stronger support network to rebuild the Order with).
Mind you, I'm enough of a basic bitch that I would've been 100% onboard with Rey finding a badass Grandmaster Luke on Ach-To.

Who?

Anywho, next hot take(s):
Star Wars needs a story of a major high-up in the First Order... who had been a willing rebel during the OT and went evil afterwards.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier would've become far more compelling if the response to the Winter Soldier's response to Steve's "...Bucky?" was, "Hello, Steve, been a while."
Yes, I'm suggesting Bucky actually being a willing collaborator with HYDRA would've made things a lot more interesting. (Probably because my first exposure to the character was in Marvel: Ultimate Alliance - where Bucky was well-aware of his and Steve's history and working with the Masters of Evil of his own volition.)

Deadpool & Wolverine is a closer adaptation of the Cable & Deadpool series than the movie actually featuring Cable was.

I wish Wilson Bethel's Benjamin Poindexter was killed by a seemingly cheerful fellow prisoner - who turns out to be the REAL Bullseye, taking a cue from the PunisherMAX incarnation of the character.

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Oh I see, you're addressing the victory howls of the fandom menace.

Yes it's pretty clear to anyone with a functioning pre frontal cortex that Disney didn't change anything just because reactionary YouTubers got assmad. Productions of this size are big ships that turn too slowly for that to even be practically possible, nevermind likely in business terms (who the fuck wants to bend the product offering to people who *actively don't buy the product*).

As far as I can tell, TRoS happened as it did largely due to creative and business interactions arising from the personal and creative relationships between leadership; no twitterheads need apply (and definitely not wanted anyway!).

 

[Alan Kelson]

The time turners are actually fine in book three. They work on an "it always happened that way" principle so all the remarks about it and their destruction was unneeded.

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Speaking of time travel BS and convolutedness, the plot of Kingdom Hearts from the first game through Dream Drop Distance isn't actually that convoluted. Hell, the time travel in the latter game is just basic bootstrap paradox time-loop shit.
It wasn't until Square Enix decided to make a KH gacha that things went off the deep end.

My favorite alternative version of Luke I've seen is that everyone thought that he was being edgy and gloomy and hermity while in reality his ship's engine just broke and he was stranded after flying off somewhere to cool off after an argument.

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Oh my god that would be hysterical! Damnit, and I thought I was gonna come up with something funny for my RvB cross.

Oh I see, you're addressing the victory howls of the fandom menace.

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Not just their's but the claims from disgruntled TLJ fans that Disney "gave in" to those nutjobs.

As far as I can tell, TRoS happened as it did largely due to creative and business interactions arising from the personal and creative relationships between leadership; no twitterheads need apply (and definitely not wanted anyway!).

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I've joke before that someone clearly laid on curse on Episode IX, and all the creatives were just doing the best they could given the circumstances.

Hell here's two mutually exclusive hot-takes:

1. Remove "Rey Palpatine" from TROS, and it becomes all the clearer that JJ liked TLJ and wanted to genuinely build on it.
2. Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter isn't an inherently bad idea. But in the context of following TLJ, it just feels like an unnecessary complication and angst in-road. You could easily replace that with Rey panicking over "How the fuck am I supposed to fight Palpatine? I'm not a Chosen One, I'm no one!"

 

[Mutton]

Oh I see, you're addressing the victory howls of the fandom menace.

Yes it's pretty clear to anyone with a functioning pre frontal cortex that Disney didn't change anything just because reactionary YouTubers got assmad. Productions of this size are big ships that turn too slowly for that to even be practically possible, nevermind likely in business terms (who the fuck wants to bend the product offering to people who *actively don't buy the product*).

As far as I can tell, TRoS happened as it did largely due to creative and business interactions arising from the personal and creative relationships between leadership; no twitterheads need apply (and definitely not wanted anyway!).

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I suspect the dead merch sales probably had some feedback here, but the main villain was total lack of any sort of plan and Igor refusing to allow delays.

 

[Claudette Savagely]

I suspect the dead merch sales probably had some feedback here, but the main villain was total lack of any sort of plan and Igor refusing to allow delays.

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Once again, coherent pre production planning on a reasonable time scale (a two year cadence for tent pole productions that are land marks in the culture? Are you high?) is your friend.

Speaking of time travel BS and convolutedness, the plot of Kingdom Hearts from the first game through Dream Drop Distance isn't actually that convoluted. Hell, the time travel in the latter game is just basic bootstrap paradox time-loop shit.

It wasn't until Square Enix decided to make a KH gacha that things went off the deep end.


Oh my god that would be hysterical! Damnit, and I thought I was gonna come up with something funny for my RvB cross.


Not just their's but the claims from disgruntled TLJ fans that Disney "gave in" to those nutjobs.


I've joke before that someone clearly laid on curse on Episode IX, and all the creatives were just doing the best they could given the circumstances.


Hell here's two mutually exclusive hot-takes:

Remove "Rey Palpatine" from TROS, and it becomes all the clearer that JJ liked TLJ and wanted to genuinely build on it.
Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter isn't an inherently bad idea. But in the context of following TLJ, it just feels like an unnecessary complication and angst in-road. You could easily replace that with Rey panicking over "How the fuck am I supposed to fight Palpatine? I'm not a Chosen One, I'm no one!"

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Ah, yes that too. TLJ fans have some understandable axes to grind but that specific idea isn't one of them.

 

[Cosar]

Prey (2022) is hot flaming trash.

CGI animals that looks like that out of a PS2 video game, apparently eating flowers can lower your body temperature to the point of avoiding detection which brings it to sub-zero temperatures something that would kill you also what flower in real life can actually do that???, said Native girl can't figure out a simple pistol and yet...She can easily figure out advanced alien tech and there's the fact it absolutely demonized the French as if they were evil Orcs, yes I understand colonization was evil but the way they depicted it came off as cartoonish. LMAO. Also Native Americans can do parkour?

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I'm not certain about a number of your complaints(though the predator's heat vision has always been a bit weird), but European settlers/frontiersmen being cartoonishly evil to Native American populations is very accurate. To put that as a flaw is more that people are very determined to hold a pretty whitewashed view of history.

 

[Alan Kelson]

I suspect the dead merch sales probably had some feedback here, but the main villain was total lack of any sort of plan and Igor refusing to allow delays.

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Iger.
But I'd argue it was way more of the latter than the former.
I'd argue they probably had a plan for the trilogy... and then Carrie Fisher died. At which point, the plan needed to get tossed out and overhauled.

Once again, coherent pre production planning on a reasonable time scale (a two year cadence for tent pole productions that are land marks in the culture? Are you high?) is your friend.

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Speaking as someone who likes all five films we've gotten, HOLY SHIT, I COULD NOT AGREE MORE.
Making Star Wars annual was a giant fucking mistake.
Frankly, I want to slap anyone who laments or mocks Disney's lack of Star Wars films since TROS, because trying to put out film after film was the problem. I'm GLAD they're taking their time to get their ducks in a row. They should be event films (or least the Episodes should).

 

[Andrensath]

a two year cadence for tent pole productions that are land marks in the culture? Are you high?

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Hey, it worked for Jackson's LOTR!

Just ignore that those were a continuous production in a very different media landscape.

 

[Claudette Savagely]

Speaking of time travel BS and convolutedness, the plot of Kingdom Hearts from the first game through Dream Drop Distance isn't actually that convoluted. Hell, the time travel in the latter game is just basic bootstrap paradox time-loop shit.
It wasn't until Square Enix decided to make a KH gacha that things went off the deep end.

Oh my god that would be hysterical! Damnit, and I thought I was gonna come up with something funny for my RvB cross.

Not just their's but the claims from disgruntled TLJ fans that Disney "gave in" to those nutjobs.

I've joke before that someone clearly laid on curse on Episode IX, and all the creatives were just doing the best they could given the circumstances.

Hell here's two mutually exclusive hot-takes:

1. Remove "Rey Palpatine" from TROS, and it becomes all the clearer that JJ liked TLJ and wanted to genuinely build on it.
2. Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter isn't an inherently bad idea. But in the context of following TLJ, it just feels like an unnecessary complication and angst in-road. You could easily replace that with Rey panicking over "How the fuck am I supposed to fight Palpatine? I'm not a Chosen One, I'm no one!"

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Ah, yes that too. TLJ fans have some understandable axes to grind but that specific idea isn't one of them.

Iger.
But I'd argue it was way more of the latter than the former.
I'd argue they probably had a plan for the trilogy... and then Carrie Fisher died. At which point, the plan needed to get tossed out and overhauled.

Speaking as someone who likes all five films we've gotten, HOLY SHIT, I COULD NOT AGREE MORE.
Making Star Wars annual was a giant fucking mistake.
Frankly, I want to slap anyone who laments or mocks Disney's lack of Star Wars films since TROS, because trying to put out film after film was the problem. I'm GLAD they're taking their time to get their ducks in a row. They should be event films (or least the Episodes should).

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Yeah the planned annual or biennial cadence was just.... unsustainable in about three or four different ways. Money over sense.

 

[MysticKnightJoe]

Speaking of time travel BS and convolutedness, the plot of Kingdom Hearts from the first game through Dream Drop Distance isn't actually that convoluted. Hell, the time travel in the latter game is just basic bootstrap paradox time-loop shit.
It wasn't until Square Enix decided to make a KH gacha that things went off the deep end.

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I've been playing up from the start, on BBS right now, and it as been totally fine as a story to follow with only occasional clarification checks on the Wiki. That'll probably increase when I get to 3 and suddenly a character from the Gacha is important but it probably won't be any worse than Cissnei showing up in FF7 Rebirth

 

[Alan Kelson]

I've been playing up from the start, on BBS right now, and it as been totally fine as a story to follow with only occasional clarification checks on the Wiki. That'll probably increase when I get to 3 and suddenly a character from the Gacha is important but it probably won't be any worse than Cissnei showing up in FF7 Rebirth

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Honestly, my first game in the franchise was Chain of Memories and I played every installment released between that and BBS, and I had little trouble following what was going on.
Let me repeat: in spite of never playing the first game, I mostly understood what was happening.

 

[Mutton]

Once again, coherent pre production planning on a reasonable time scale (a two year cadence for tent pole productions that are land marks in the culture? Are you high?) is your friend.



Ah, yes that too. TLJ fans have some understandable axes to grind but that specific idea isn't one of them.

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This is more that dead merch from TFA onwards, which is a much more coherent timeline.

 

[all fictions]

there's the fact it absolutely demonized the French as if they were evil Orcs, yes I understand colonization was evil but the way they depicted it came off as cartoonish

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By 1719, the time the movie takes place, half of the slaves sent to work in the fields in Saint-Domingue (Haiti) died within five years.

The French generally had friendlier relations with Native Americans than the English or Spanish, true, but not by much.

 

[yrsillar]

Hm, I thought Gil in original Fate was drawing from prequest Gil, you know the shitlord so bad his entire populace prayed to the gods to create a punishment for, whereas Bablyonian gil was post quest, after he learned that he fundamentally ain't shit. Though thinking about that sounds like its probably mythonerd headcanon applied to fate nonsense.

 

[MysticKnightJoe]

Hm, I thought Gil in original Fate was drawing from request Gil, you know the shitlord so bad his entire populace prayed to the gods to create a punishment for, whereas Bablyonian gil was post quest, after he learned that he fundamentally ain't shit. Though thinking about that sounds like its probably mythonerd headcanon applied to fate nonsense.

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My read on a lot of Fate Servants is they draw from "Snapshots" of a figure. Like Cu Chulainn as a Lancer is him hard focused on the version of him that fights with the spear Gae Bulg, but if he was summoned as a Rider he'd be going around on his famous chariot. Artoria is drawn directly from the aftermath of Camlann and is all sad about it. Berserker Herc is like...specifically the Heracles who went mad and slaughtered his wife and children. That sorta thing.

 

[Renu]

Hm, I thought Gil in original Fate was drawing from request Gil, you know the shitlord so bad his entire populace prayed to the gods to create a punishment for, whereas Bablyonian gil was post quest, after he learned that he fundamentally ain't shit. Though thinking about that sounds like its probably mythonerd headcanon applied to fate nonsense.

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It would make the most sense, but iirc he uses a skill related to Enkidu, which means he'd come from or after his bro phase.

 

[all fictions]

Hm, I thought Gil in original Fate was drawing from prequest Gil, you know the shitlord so bad his entire populace prayed to the gods to create a punishment for, whereas Bablyonian gil was post quest, after he learned that he fundamentally ain't shit. Though thinking about that sounds like its probably mythonerd headcanon applied to fate nonsense.

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It's a common headcanon, but yeah, that was not the original intent. In the Fate route Day 14 for example, he says "The Holy Grail? Oh, immortality. Heh, I gave that to the snake", so he clearly remembers the quest. People also misunderstand Caster Gil in FGO because he also says things like this:

Gilgamesh
But I haven't repented or anything, you know. Who I am will never change.

Gilgamesh
A king doesn't live for his people. The people live for their king.

Gilgamesh
But then what does a king live for? What else? He lives for the things he finds joy in.

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He hasn't really changed so much as he shifted his priorities by becoming Caster, if that makes sense.

Really, the missing link is because Fate/Extra CCC is the work that actually delves into what Fate Gil is about and how the quest changed him and how it didn't (for example, he went back to get the herb again after the end of the Epic just because he could). But because it isn't (fully) translated, people only have FSN Gil and FGO Gil to go off of, leading to that misconception of pre-quest Archer and post-quest Caster.

 

[Alan Kelson]

Hey, it worked for Jackson's LOTR!

Just ignore that those were a continuous production in a very different media landscape.

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Just gonna say it: Episode IX should've been two films - people argue that it would be ripping off Endgame. I'd argue the movie didn't rip off Endgame enough.

 

[ApocalypticFish]

Really, the missing link is because Fate/Extra CCC is the work that actually delves into what Fate Gil is about and how the quest changed him and how it didn't (for example, he went back to get the herb again after the end of the Epic just because he could). But because it isn't (fully) translated, people only have FSN Gil and FGO Gil to go off of, leading to that misconception of pre-quest Archer and post-quest Caster.

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Someone's forgotten about the events of December 8, 2023

 

[Claudette Savagely]

This is more that dead merch from TFA onwards, which is a much more coherent timeline.

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Oh I see what you mean. Hmm. Maybe? I haven't looked into the merch sales figures in years and can't remember but it seems to have truthiness about it.

 

[Alan Kelson]

I mean, I remember that people used to complain about the merchandizing of the prequels, so I'm kind of shocked that they're treating the merch underperformance as a sign of the films' sucking rather than just merch being more expensive in general, or that maybe we should be glad its not as big a push?

 

[WestOrEast]

Prey (2022) is hot flaming trash.

CGI animals that looks like that out of a PS2 video game, apparently eating flowers can lower your body temperature to the point of avoiding detection which brings it to sub-zero temperatures something that would kill you also what flower in real life can actually do that???, said Native girl can't figure out a simple pistol and yet...She can easily figure out advanced alien tech and there's the fact it absolutely demonized the French as if they were evil Orcs, yes I understand colonization was evil but the way they depicted it came off as cartoonish. LMAO. Also Native Americans can do parkour?

Minus One had a budget of $11m-$15m and look what that film accomplished with such amazing CGI and vfx effects. No wonder that film embarrasses modern Hollywood with their unholy large budgets notably modern MCU films with their video game CGI.

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Figuring out how to use the Predator's tracking system (red dots appear and guide darts in) is a lot less complex than a four-step loading process for a pistol. And even at the end, she couldn't activate the tracking system, she had to wait until the Predator did it himself. She had 'just' set him up to exploit it when he did.

 

[Alan Kelson]

Figuring out how to use the Predator's tracking system (red dots appear and guide darts in) is a lot less complex than a four-step loading process for a pistol. And even at the end, she couldn't activate the tracking system, she had to wait until the Predator did it himself. She had 'just' set him up to exploit it when he did.

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Plus IIRC, this is one of the earliest visits of the Yautja to Earth, and this is a rookie predator.
Mistakes will be made.

 

[yrsillar]

It's a common headcanon, but yeah, that was not the original intent. In the Fate route Day 14 for example, he says "The Holy Grail? Oh, immortality. Heh, I gave that to the snake", so he clearly remembers the quest. People also misunderstand Caster Gil in FGO because he also says things like this:

He hasn't really changed so much as he shifted his priorities by becoming Caster, if that makes sense.

Really, the missing link is because Fate/Extra CCC is the work that actually delves into what Fate Gil is about and how the quest changed him and how it didn't (for example, he went back to get the herb again after the end of the Epic just because he could). But because it isn't (fully) translated, people only have FSN Gil and FGO Gil to go off of, leading to that misconception of pre-quest Archer and post-quest Caster.

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Ah so it just fundamentally misunderstands the theme of the epic, or rather just doesn't really care about it. Fair enough.

 

[Squirtodyle]

Ah so it just fundamentally misunderstands the theme of the epic, or rather just doesn't really care about it. Fair enough.

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Not really, it's just kind of difficult to explain the entirety of how Fate engages with Gil's character in a short post.