(Un)Happy Family [Worm/Elden Ring]
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School ... Ha how about deployment of one of 17 inactive laboratory tools/weapons or transforming and absorption all matter to energy in a mile radius. Or stilling cone of absolute fck you several miles long
dragonx99
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Oooooh. Is that a hint that Ranni is Godwyn, using her 'death' to change bodies to match her gender? It would explain why Marika is so chill with her, even aside from being her father. I can't imagine Marika would be so sanguine toward Ranni if she'd murdered her own brother, even if it was in the service of fucking over the Greater Will. I was kind of curious about that but figured there were AU shenanigans afoot. And if I'm right, there are, but in a really interesting and not contrived way.
Or I may be reading things that aren't there.
Or I may be reading things that aren't there.
What?
No, Ranni changing bodies is in the game, what happened was that the black knives used one half of the stolen rune of death to kill Godwyn's soul, which is why he's now the first of *Those who live in Death*, and at the same time, they killed Ranni's body with the other half, allowing her to move on to the doll, a doll she created in the image of her teacher, who she respected way more than her empyrean heritage, to the point of using her name the first time you met her (that's why she introduce herself as Renna when you get the spirit bell from her).
She doesn't need to have been Godwyn to hate her body, and Godwyn's soul is dead anyway, with his body now being this:
View: https://youtu.be/nNWb4IFOumE
Dopplerdee
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So if I'm tracking Emma is gaslighting people into thinking Taylor is a bad person and Madison is buying it in spite of how dumb that is?
That chapter was a real roller coaster. The juxtaposition of the trio being regular highschoolers doing normalish highschool stuff, versus taylor and the divine refugees contemplating MurderHellTorture was just excellent. It both emphasized how something that feels so light and casual to a bully can be devastating to the bullied, and it also really showed just how close the bullies are to the knife edge of disaster. Possibly literal knife edge.
Given the vibes coming off some of them though, i had to double check for an enemies to lovers tag. Having only played ER a bit and not understanding any of the lore, it seems like if these are the sorts of gods that powerup from worship, madison is already sort of on the way.
Given the vibes coming off some of them though, i had to double check for an enemies to lovers tag. Having only played ER a bit and not understanding any of the lore, it seems like if these are the sorts of gods that powerup from worship, madison is already sort of on the way.
Dopplerdee
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So gods in Eldenring are weird. We have no indication that they need worship, they seem to want something else out of worship but the most consistent is the same reason they take Emperians, they want to be in the physical world.
Their also seems to be a hierarchy to gods. With Markia being a god that was still beholden to the Golden Order and still an Emperians.
This honestly leads me to alot of questions about gods in Eldenring to be honest. The Tarnished kills Malenia who is a God and the Elden Beast which is.....something. But isn't a god themselves, likewise getting the ring also doesn't make them a god. It's not about power. But we don't know what makes a god.
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BEHOLD THE DYNASTY!
Mohg is literally the horniest being in existence. Like, unbelievably horny. Incestuously horny even. Truly, Mohg is among the most horny of hornys. Horns.
Also, my first thought when I read this post:
"Hi dad, and dad."
"BEHOLD, MADISON, MINE MOST FAVORITE DAUGHTER! THE LASAGNA IS... PREPARED!"
"She's our only daughter."
"I KNOW!"
hellgodsrus
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You really are - Ranni is Ranni. Ranni had a deadname and was amab, but tried to transition relatively early. Some people accepted this (Rennala, Rykard, the twins didn't really care, Godwyn), some people were kind of dicks about this (Radahn, Morgott (though he never actually deadnamed her), Marika (partially just Greater Will bigotry, partly some of her own issues around gender)). The night of Black Knives was still the end of Godwyn's soul, though I think we talk about the buildup to that in a later chapter.
No, it's way simpler than that.
Emma became friends with Madison. Emma hates and is weirdly obsessed with Taylor so - Emma's my friend, so Taylor must have done something wrong, right? It's not gaslighting because that'd be active. It's more Madison trying to explain and justify things to herself.
Curious how i actually understand the feeling Madison has finally having friends and wanting to do anything for them, being so blinded to see the truth, happened to me once
Yeah i love this caracterization of the Trio, like almost everybody does them full on cartoon characters that existonly for one purpose, some time its justified, not enough "screentime" others they got literal arcs but still act cartoony, this Trio i like, this Trio i love and its funny as hell, also interesting
Like Madison justifying herself, Sophia SOPHIA thinking that they should stop with Taylor and actually having feelings for Emma, these three actually being tenagers with problem and not that parody of borderlines, YES
Love how Taylor already things of herself as a GOD above humans and just deals with her family, its perfect, also Marika dont despair, there is an easy solution to all of this, just give the three of them horrible nighmares to the point that they cant function then enjoy the show
Eden would have a heart attack when she seews how fucked the cycle is and that his boyfriend basically did nothing, join the club Eden, Marika had to deal with Radagon who was way more active in ruining things
Yeah i love this caracterization of the Trio, like almost everybody does them full on cartoon characters that existonly for one purpose, some time its justified, not enough "screentime" others they got literal arcs but still act cartoony, this Trio i like, this Trio i love and its funny as hell, also interesting
Like Madison justifying herself, Sophia SOPHIA thinking that they should stop with Taylor and actually having feelings for Emma, these three actually being tenagers with problem and not that parody of borderlines, YES
Love how Taylor already things of herself as a GOD above humans and just deals with her family, its perfect, also Marika dont despair, there is an easy solution to all of this, just give the three of them horrible nighmares to the point that they cant function then enjoy the show
Eden would have a heart attack when she seews how fucked the cycle is and that his boyfriend basically did nothing, join the club Eden, Marika had to deal with Radagon who was way more active in ruining things
WhoAmEye
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Emma's so good at gaslighting people she does it without even trying
dragonx99
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FromSoft Lore can be obtuse enough I feel the need to ask, is that canon to Elden Ring or just for this story? Cause I've never heard about it in Elden Ring discussion but would find it really cool if it is canon.
I would genuinely be very interested in Madison learning the truth and pretty much immediately flipping sides. It's made pretty damn clear here that she's basically only going along with things because Emma and Sophia are her first ever friends (and Taylor clearly did something to deserve this obsession with her suffering, right?), and per canon Madison mostly just did petty shit that actually fits with being school-level bullying, but if she learned the truth? If she found out that they escalated all the way up to literal life-endangering torture, and Taylor has done not a goddamn thing to deserve even the small things? And worse still, that it's all Sophia's fault and she basically broke Emma? Well, like others have said; Madison is smart. On one hand she would have these genuinely just fucking awful people who were gleefully ruining an innocent person to prove their "superiority", and on the other she'd have the Amazon of all her horny dreams who would also have unironically been a much better friend than any of the ones she has.
Also, maybe more importantly, Taylor deserves something nice. A friend with that kind of loyalty, who she could be her weirdo self around, and who would happily shower her in compliments both platonic and otherwise to slowly fix her self-esteem? That genuinely sounds really nice, even if it'd be hard to make happen for obvious reasons of the familial variety.
Also, maybe more importantly, Taylor deserves something nice. A friend with that kind of loyalty, who she could be her weirdo self around, and who would happily shower her in compliments both platonic and otherwise to slowly fix her self-esteem? That genuinely sounds really nice, even if it'd be hard to make happen for obvious reasons of the familial variety.
Her being AMAB? Not canon to elden ring, all we have of her is her being the princess and an empyrean, and her old body doesn't looks like a male one when you find it on top of Liurna's tower.
Plus, Morgott, the biggest golden order simp, refers to her as *lunar princess Ranni*, and he isn't actually tolerant, what with thinking himself a monster and all.
Her new body is inspired by her mentor, but there is no indications in canon that she took it out of wanting to be female and not out of not wanting to be an empyrean. Her goal was to cur her connection with the fingers, and she failed at that part.
dragonx99
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Thank you, wasn't sure if I'd just missed something.
Didn't Madison Know they tried something life ending at least in this story? They were all discussing it, and Madison was close enough that when it all went down she got smacked in the face by Taylor's ass hard enough that she found god.
While she might be willing to kiss Taylor's ass both figuratively and literally I don't think we should over play how good she'd be for the girl as is or how bad she's been.
Dopplerdee
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I will note her old body was definitely female but it also looked like Radagon who she doesn't really like. She was realllllllllyyyyyy tall. So her choice in a small delicate appearance for her new non Emperian body does indicate some dislike of her old appearance or else she would have gone for something more like her old one.
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It's not not canon. Her entire narrative is highly trans coded. Her former body is badly burned enough that it's hard to tell what she was born as before (yes, her former body has a dump truck ass, but a) that's not a definitive sign of anything and b) in this story at least she was on not-HRT prior to everything and honestly why wouldn't she be?). While there's nothing in ER canon that says she's trans, there's nothing that contradicts it either.
There are plenty of indications - it's in coding and subtext which honestly is not surprising given both George and Soulsborne narratives live there - but as I said, it's not refuted by canon either. Her body wearing a dress doesn't mean she was for sure AFAB, and if you really want us to dive into why Morgott calling Ranni that doesn't have to mean that it's not canon -
Okay here we have to get into something that we did change slightly in ER lore, or rather interpreted a certain way. In canon, The Golden Order are weird about gender but it's all subtextual, implied; there's nothing out and out stating that women have less power in the system (other than Marika's role seeming somewhat passive compared to Radagon's/Godfrey's). Given the amount of gender shifting and presentation changing going on in canon - St Trina, the story about how Godrick got out of Leyndell, Maradagonika - it's clear that gender change stuff is made use of for Reasons which aren't clear. Additionally, the role of an Empyrean is explicitly female-coded in their culture - they are the power given to a male 'lord' who weds them, and don't seem to wield that power themselves.
So if Ranni becomes an Empyrean, it's clear the gods at least see her as female. Who is Morgott to dismiss gods? He won't deadname her. It won't stop him being a dick about it, but there are lots of ways to be a dick about transition without deadnaming.
Additionally, Ranni's lunar princess because she's heir to matriarchal Caria, it doesn't have to mean anything more than that when Morgott says it.
Her not liking her old appearance and empyrean heritage, yes, but there's no indications that she was trans, you can have body disphoria for other reasons.
Ranni is the daughter of the queen of a matriarchal kingdom, Radagon was the one considered bellow in their relationship, so what the golden order does with gender is not as important as what her kingdom does.
And I don't see Marika being treated that much as inferior to Radagon when he's the passive one most of the time IMO, she gives order, he's just a warrior.
I can't see the narrative happen in canon as you have it here, because even with Ranni having body disphoria she doesn't need to have been trans for that, and most of the narrative is about her hating her empyrean heritage and the links to the fingers it creates more than her body. She actually reads more as someone getting out of a racist cult to me, and let's be honest, the golden order is a racist cult, what with the omens and misbeggoten.
We have a pretty good indication that the golden order didn't prefer females as empyreans simply due to Miquella being its perfect example of one, and saint Trina being a disguise to not appear as an empyrean.
Not really? The lord is a tool for the empyrean, but it's not that female coded, if anything, isn't being the one wed in the family a female coded role? The wife taking the husband's name? It's her that joins the family, so having the elden lord be the one that joins the god in wedding and not the other way round seems like it's not that female coded to me.
Marika does wield her power, removing Godfrey's grace and making Destined Death for example.
If it was like that he would call Miquella Saint Trina, after all, he's an empyrean, so clearly female according to your reasoning, and Saint Trina is the name she uses when female.
Yet he doesn't, so there are no indications that Ranni is trans there or that he would call her by the correct name if she was.
He's a dick to all empyrean anyway *willful traitors, one and all*.
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Oh, and when I say that Ranni's old body is female, I mean that she has some chest, not that she's wearing a dress.
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WhoAmEye
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Canon is obtuse enough that it could easily go either way.
Please just stop. Of all the things that could have caused issues in this chapter, I was certain it was going to be humanising the trio. Instead, somehow SV and Ao3 both want to get into arguments over Ranni being trans-coded. She might have canonically been AFAB, in the same way Wildbow made Taylor canonically straight.
And we all know what happens when arguments about Taylor's sexuality start.
This isn't the place to start being transphobic or belligerent about discussion of it. Ranni in this fic was AMAB, Ranni in Canon could have been AMAB and on HRT for a while before bodyjacking the dollform. She could have have been AFAB and transcoded in every other way because the writers didn't want to take that last step and risk alienating like... half of america from giving them money for the game. Etc etc.
dragonx99
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Thank you both for the explanation. And I apologize about the fight I accidentally started in your thread. My boyfriend is just a fan of Elden Ring and I like Ranni from him showing it to me so I wanted to know if that was a canon thing we missed or something you guys decided to do for this story before I gushed about her being a fellow transgirl to him. I did not realize it'd lead to arguments like this
This isn't the first fic to do so, and you didn't do it in a way that would create tension on any point.
His male gaze doesn't help, but this is an explicit case of death of the author that works better than canon because the canon relation with Brian is... well, it exists, but she is closer to Lisa, that for sure.
I have no problem with her being trans on the fic, I was saying that I see no traces of her being transcoded in the canon proper; she changed body to cut ties witt the golden order.
Adding this dysphoria to her here helps with showing the intolerance of the golden order, no problems with that.
Anyway, shutting up now, hell, let me recommend a great worm fic about Transition as a peace offering: Luster, on SB, features a girl who is transitioning at the beginning of the fic, and asks Panacea for help at some point, have to tell that it does get quite dark at some points though, I hope she got better after but I had to stop when the author made her suffer too much for too long during an endbringer fight.
Yeah, thats the thing, humanizing bad people is not bad if done correctly, wicht you did, it usually makes the characters way more interesting and deep, wicht makes the story stronger overall, hell after reading this trio i found the others ones i saw lacking and even want to see more of them, like they are fun to read and interesting (for the love of god one part of me even hopes that at least one of them gets a redention arc just because Taylor having one someone like Mads or Sophia as a friend in this context ensures hilaraty and maybe some really interesting interaction, Sophia would love Marika´s MO lets be honest)
Now when you mention an LGBT themes in a not smut story, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh pray to god and maybe he would grant you mercy, because here on the internet sadly these themes are basically a call to arms, dont know why, seriously i dont but if there is a mention about transition, liking the same gender or anything like that in a not smut fic for some reason there would always be one guy that tries to cause an argument, some fail miserably some win and run like a coward when it grows too much for them to handle, others realize their mistake and try to put off the fires, its weird but this happens for some reason
Now when you mention an LGBT themes in a not smut story, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh pray to god and maybe he would grant you mercy, because here on the internet sadly these themes are basically a call to arms, dont know why, seriously i dont but if there is a mention about transition, liking the same gender or anything like that in a not smut fic for some reason there would always be one guy that tries to cause an argument, some fail miserably some win and run like a coward when it grows too much for them to handle, others realize their mistake and try to put off the fires, its weird but this happens for some reason
WhoAmEye
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That's... that's not mutually exclusive with trans coding. That's the whole point we've been trying to make. I feel like we're operating on different expectations of what the definition of transcoding is