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Tome of the Orange Sky (Naruto/MGLN)

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Chronocidal said:
Orochimaru was a prodigy, trained by The God of Shinobi. His "dead-last" team-mate is a Sealmaster and Sage who trained another prodigy (Minato), who went on to train yet another prodigy, etc.

Orochimaru's sense of "normal genin capabilities" is probably somewhat skewed. He's likely looking at Naruto and Rock Lee, and thinking "oh, good, they finally got the academy back up to halfway-decent standards. A pity that it was too little, too late!"
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That would be hilarious. There is one thing that also bothers me about oto ninja, they seem to be mostly genin level or maybe lower chunin because the genin that made it to the final in the chunin exam seem to be their equals or better. Like there was a flashback filler where kiba fight some and won and all the jonin seem to be able to no dif them. Like the only reason that the invasion lasted at all at the stadium was sheer numbers. Like Orochimaru's best guys are the sound 4, Kabuto, kaguya who I don't remember the name of and if she is a thing in this the crystal lady. The sound four seem to be chunin level of strong ones and that is only with the curse marks, the others are jonin level with a S class but the thing is the sound four are stuck maintaining the purple barrier, Kabuto is most likely dead, Kuguya is dieing and crystal lady is possibly not real
 
JumperPrime said:
Undead Kage may be cockblocked by the anti-summoning seals, depending on whether or not the stadium is an exception zone in the interests of fairness to foreign competitors. As to the giant snake, IIRC it was summoned well outside the village for the purpose of breaching the outer wall. I would be quite surprised if the anti-summoning seals effect extends that far beyond the village wall.
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It was mentioned they set up a couple layers of the exclusion barrier "further out" from the walls, but doesn't give exact distance. So it's quite possible the summoning could be No Sold, depending on where they do it.


CmptrWz said:
the barrier team requested that we set up multiple layers. One just inside the walls, one on the walls, another just outside of the walls, and two more layers further out. We've tested and shouldn't need to adjust the exclusion zones, but one of them questioned what would happen if someone summoned a giant summon just outside the walls and forced their way through. Since Minato designed the seals to be trivially monitored we can get early warning even if someone figures out that they exist, and the plan is for knowledge of all but the 'in the walls' layer and one of the two further out ones to be kept to only those that need to know for security reasons.
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Iridesce said:
That would be hilarious. There is one thing that also bothers me about oto ninja, they seem to be mostly genin level or maybe lower chunin because the genin that made it to the final in the chunin exam seem to be their equals or better. Like there was a flashback filler where kiba fight some and won and all the jonin seem to be able to no dif them. Like the only reason that the invasion lasted at all at the stadium was sheer numbers. Like Orochimaru's best guys are the sound 4, Kabuto, kaguya who I don't remember the name of and if she is a thing in this the crystal lady. The sound four seem to be chunin level of strong ones and that is only with the curse marks, the others are jonin level with a S class but the thing is the sound four are stuck maintaining the purple barrier, Kabuto is most likely dead, Kuguya is dieing and crystal lady is possibly not real
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I'd blame that on Orochimaru's habit of experimenting on anyone who shows promise or who have seemingly useful traits. How many talented shinobi in his forces were killed uselessly because of those experiments? Orochimaru seems to use the Cave Johnson method of science. You know, "let's throw shit at the wall and see what sticks."
 
FaerieKnight79 said:
Orochimaru seems to use the Cave Johnson method of science. You know, "let's throw shit at the wall and see what sticks."
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Thanks, now the image of Orochimaru having 'uploaded' the brain of one of his kunoichi/assistants in a seal matrix to manage his experiments while he is away and in case someone was able to off him will never leave my brain.
 
Keep in mind Oto is more a distributed network of labs and bases than a true ninja village, they're not really incentivized to teach or train each other the way even minor village ninjas do.
 
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Considering the fact that Hashirama was said to be a natural sage, it's likely that there is a nature component to wood release. Something that being missing from Naruto's combo leaves him with mud.
 
MWKillKenny84 said:
Thanks, now the image of Orochimaru having 'uploaded' the brain of one of his kunoichi/assistants in a seal matrix to manage his experiments while he is away and in case someone was able to off him will never leave my brain.
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Makes sense to me. I mean, Orochimaru was thinking about how he's going to lose at least one base due to minion idiocy while he's away. So he was trying to limit it to the least vital bases.
 
Will Naruto handle Garra's little sleep time demon outbreak by "Throwing The Book" at him... literally?

Random Ninja: How did you stop the Biju?
Naruto: I threw the Book at him.
RN: Really that works?
Hinata: Of course it does.
Anko: But only if naruto is the one doing it.
 
otakumick said:
Considering the fact that Hashirama was said to be a natural sage, it's likely that there is a nature component to wood release. Something that being missing from Naruto's combo leaves him with mud.
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It's also possible Mokuton is a 3-element combo, not a 2-element. Earth+Water=Mud, Earth+Water+Yang=Mokuton, maybe. I don't think there's been anything showing Naruto trying more than 2-element combinations, and nothing with Yin or Yang.
 
FaerieKnight79 said:
Naruto doesn't know Wood Release though. He knows Mud Release, which confused him and the others because water+earth was suppose to be Wood Release rather then making the far more logical mud.
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technically speaking Mud Release is a legitimate Canon Elemental combination,
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Mud Release

Mud Release (泥遁, Deiton) is a nature transformation kekkei genkai, a combination of water and earth, the same natures used to create Wood Release. Few people have ever heard of Mud Release, to the point that Hidan was surprised it exists. In addition to the persecution experienced by most kekkei...
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it's just Hashirama, kind of, sort of, completely overshadowed it with his fame and the fact that Wood Release uses the same elemental combination.
 
sainen said:
it's just Hashirama, kind of, sort of, completely overshadowed it with his fame and the fact that Wood Release uses the same elemental combination.
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Plus if I remember correctly, it somewhat has ties into Nature Chakra, not just Water + Earth, not that you need to know Sage Mode to use it. Just it being connected to Nature (Obviously) means it somewhat uses Nature Chakra in it's mixture.

Which is why even without a Sage-type Summon Hashirama was able to learn and use Sage Mode to such a great effect.
 
Another thought, there are some advanced natures that seem are likely to be made by doubling down on an element and mixing it with itself to multiply the potency. That would also be a fitting explanation for cases Steel release(with earthxearth) or Typhoon release(with windxwind) that Naruto could potentially figure out through trial and error.
 
DarKenJoiz said:
It's also possible Mokuton is a 3-element combo, not a 2-element. Earth+Water=Mud, Earth+Water+Yang=Mokuton, maybe. I don't think there's been anything showing Naruto trying more than 2-element combinations, and nothing with Yin or Yang.
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It's Earth, Water, and Yang.

Senjutsu Mokuton is different and more clearly living trees, and flowers, where normal Mokuton simply makes wood structures.
Senjutsu Mokuton trees will survive their summoner's death.
 
Brainstorm813 said:
Don't really understand why this many people hate Kabuto compared to Rasa or Danzo. Kabuto had a pretty crappy backstory imo.
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Danzo is also hated pretty hard. Kabuto however is one of the primary antagonists for a fair bit of Naruto. Maybe not a direct one, but far more overt then Danzo was. In fact, Danzo's reveal as a villain almost comes out of left field as I recall.
 
Brainstorm813 said:
Don't really understand why this many people hate Kabuto compared to Rasa or Danzo. Kabuto had a pretty crappy backstory imo.
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Me personally? It's because he's one of those villains who when he loses, he doesn't really lose. Sure he loses a fight or some resources or something, but the next time you see him he's somehow become a Sage, and then he's somehow literally raising an Undead army. That plus he comes across as a smarmy asshole the whole time.

When Danzo loses he.. well we all know what happened to him, and in the end it could be argued that him getting what he finally wanted had a hand in his death. It was cathartic and somewhat karmic.

Rasa gets shown he was wrong and basically has his nose rubbed in it when he gets his assed kicked. It's not that we dislike Kabuto and like Rasa and Danzo, someone can dislike multiple characters it's just currently Kabuto is the most relevant of the three mentioned, when it comes around to Danzo or Rasa I'll bet you anything that they'll get the same level of discussion and dislike.

FaerieKnight79 said:
Danzo is also hated pretty hard. Kabuto however is one of the primary antagonists for a fair bit of Naruto. Maybe not a direct one, but far more overt then Danzo was. In fact, Danzo's reveal as a villain almost comes out of left field as I recall.
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He kinda did, like we get some hints and stuff, him working with Orochimaru etc. And then it really comes out and it's like 'Oh this guy is Hokage now, which isn't a good thing and here's why.' Then proceed with several flashbacks/episodes of Danzo being a Bad Guy™️ and doing a bunch of shady shit.
 
Hell, we've been mocking Danzo and his collapsing house of cards for a while now. Kabuto is just the first one to really get his karmic balancing. Danzo's fall is on the way, and Orochimaru is about to make some pretty big mistakes due to bad information and worse assumptions.

Of course, the fact that Danzo is working with Orochimaru for the invasion is likely to hasten his downfall too.
 
FaerieKnight79 said:
Naruto doesn't know Wood Release though. He knows Mud Release, which confused him and the others because water+earth was suppose to be Wood Release rather then making the far more logical mud.
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I always felt the strong Yang chakra of the Senju, particularly in Ashura's reincarnation played a part in turning water and earth into wood. After all, wood is alive, so it needs the chakra aspect that brings life into form to function properly.
 
It's possible, if not probable. I mean, canon I don't think ever specifies more then "water+earth=wood". But there would almost have to be something else involved.

Also, I think in this story Naruto hasn't experimented with Yin and Yang releases because those "elements" confused him.
 
Chronocidal said:
Canon specifies stuff like "Yin-Water", so I've always assumed that Yin and Yang are orthogonal to the normal elements; such as being the tint/shade (white and black) to the elements' hue (colour);
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Which would partly explain why they confuse Naruto. In this story, they appear to be distinct types of chakra too, since the meter measured them separately from other elements.
 
FaerieKnight79 said:
Which would partly explain why they confuse Naruto. In this story, they appear to be distinct types of chakra too, since the meter measured them separately from other elements.
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To be honest I think it's a bit of both, they tie into the elements sometimes but they can also be used individually. I mean Genjutsu are usually pure Yin Chakra techniques. And the Creation of All Things technique is both Yin and Yang with no elemental chakra at all, Yin to shape it and Yang to form it.

Basically Yin Chakra is based on concepts, thoughts and such. While Yang is all about the physicality of things, in cannon it's one of the reasons Naruto was so energetic and had a prodigious healing factor even amongst Uzumaki is because he had so much Yang Chakra. It's also why he basically couldn't use Genjutsu.
 
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