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Therapy, a Wormfic

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(I skipped most of the discussion since the last omake, because I know a thorny debate when I see one comin' over the ridge.)

I figure the "cure" for Amy would be to reset her sexuality to her pre-GG baseline (whatever it was), so she could, theoretically, develop it without Vicky's influence.

Not debating, just suggesting.
 
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It makes you question, when someone has that many mental issues, does curing them of it simply make them who they are but without those issues, or does it essentially change them into a new person?

Kolarthecool said:
Can pedophilia be considered a mental disorder? Yes it's illegal and morally wrong but it seems like the sort of thing that would fall under sexual orientation. Like being gay or asexual, it would be a preference developed over the years but not inherently wrong.

Unless Taylor's power is working off of what she personally views as a disorder which opens a whole other can of worms.
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Pedophilia would be considered a disorder because it's an attraction to those who are prepubescent by nature. Most people, however, simply slap the 'pedophile' label on anyone attracted to someone who is beneath the legal age, when that's incorrect. Wanting to have sexual relations with something that, by nature, cannot reproduce and would in fact likely be harmed by attempts to do so seems like it might be a disorder.

Then again, that opens up a whole can of beans as to what sort of attractions do or don't qualify as disorders.
Philosoraptor31 said:
That's basically my point, pedophilia isn't just someone choosing to do those things, it's a medical condition.

Unlike pedophilia, homosexuality is found in almost every species that has genders. The reason many people believe homosexuality is wrong is due to their religious beliefs and a lack of understanding. We no longer consider homosexuality a disorder, just like the lobotomy is no longer considered a cure-all, as they realized the procedure effectively kills the person. The difference being that there is nothing inherently wrong in someone choosing to love anyone of a relatively close age, with proper consent and understanding, while there is something wrong with people wanting do do sexual acts towards people who do not apply for any of those things. The fact that you don't understand this disappoints me, but I am curious. Why do you believe that homosexuality is wrong, for any non-religious reason?
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You have to look at sexuality from an evolutionary standpoint, as well as benefits and negatives towards the species. This does not give us all the answers, as we have formed culture and societal mores with our own limitations on things, but even from that we get some good information.

Homosexuality may very well be a trait that occurred through random mutation and environmental exposure and was seen as positive because, while being less likely to pass their genetic material down (but not impossible, because plenty of people who were gave have had kids with people they're not attracted to), they can still act as functioning members of the tribe/family unit/society. They can hunt, gather, protect, pass on knowledge, and so on and so forth. Being that they're only attracted to essentially fellow adults of the same gender, they're less likely to cause damage by assaulting another member due to reproductive instincts.

With pedophilia on the other hand, we're talking about prepubescents, AKA those who aren't old enough to reproduce. Assault on them is much more likely to terminate the life of a member of the tribe, and even in ancient times was typically frowned upon by early society.

Now, once they hit puberty, that's another story. For most of human history, once they were physically capable of reproduction, they were considered fair game. This is no longer the case, what with the previously mentioned social mores and culture, and would simply further reinforce the reason why those beneath a certain age are considered OFF LIMITS and why Conflict Resolution would see it as bad.

In terms of evolution, nothing gives a shit about consent, insofar as one party can defend itself against another. Rape is a common occurrence in the animal kingdom and our history. Culturally? Huuuuge no-no.
 
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poloport said:
Pedophilia is as much of a disorder as homosexuality. Psychology and psychiatry is far too unreliable and too involved with political correctness in order to make accurate statements regarding the matter. 50 years ago homosexuality was considered a disorder too, and now it isn't. I bet if 50 years from now pedophilia was seen by society as homosexually is seen today that it wouldn't be considered a disorder.

It's a pity but the lack of professionalism, independence from politics and poor use of the scientific method as made the whole field a bit of a joke
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Please don't use pedophillia in the same sentence as homosexuality. As a lesbian myself I've heard these statements from people who have zero clue what they are talking about and who make blanket statements with pseudo psycho babble like your statement. I've never had advances made toward me by anyone gay, but there were some scummy straights who needed to be sent straight to prison.

Oh they talked about the gays but never said anything about trying to cop a feel on a kid.

That you seem to have some personal issue between a behavior between two consenting adults of the same gender and a majority of straight people who have a itch for children is as insulting as your backhanded comment on homosexuality being a disorder and saying that pedophilia wont be looked on as such. That comment has the same tone as people who swore that gay marriage would lead to people marrying animals, it was ridiculous then and fifty years from now it will be ridiculous (see what I did there?).

Sorry for the rant, but anytime sexuality in Worm comes up someone immediately starts screaming like its the end of days if Taylor is gay or Amy likes girls, its always explained away as master effect from puberty. The fact that's its 2016 and people still parrot ideas that patently aren't true.

Sorry guys. I'd just like to see a Worm story where it doesn't matter.
 
I don't care how it affects the story anymore, but I'm going to write one more short comment because people have noticed that the way I think the Sanity shard, an alien, and not myself should think is not politically correct and thus feel the need to cherry pick through my words to make something that misrepresents me as a pedophile (or at least supportive of them, or as a homophobe) for the second time today.

If you read my comments properly and realize I am arguing about the thought processes of an imaginary alien in an imaginary world and not real life morals or ethics, you can skip this.

Insomniac said:
By that logic:
d)acting on homosexuality is wrong
I think you need to reexamine your logic... Also, children as young as eight have had babies... Is pedophilia now right?
Like I said, faulty logic...
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What part of
Gammoregan said:
a) acting on pedophilia is wrong
b) pedophilia does not make babies
c) homosexuality does not make babies
and none of these facts are really related in any way beyond what's in the words.
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do you not understand? I didn't say that pedophilia is wrong because it doesn't produce a new generation, I said that pedophilia is wrong and pedophilia does not cause reproduction. These are not related in any way beyond the words saying they're both about pedophilia. Kind of like saying
a) Hyenas have fur
b) Hyenas have the jaw strength to break human bones
c) Sharks have the jaw strength to break human bones
In case you don't know this and are misled by these facts, sharks do not have fur. I know this kind of thing is hard for some people, like you (That's an insult by the way. The correct response to insults is the get mad. I'm very mad at the moment because your comment insulted me based on things that I didn't say and you are pretending otherwise.), to understand which is why I made it very clear here:
Gammoregan said:
Adults having sex with children is bad. Adults having consensual sex with other adults, no matter the gender of the parties, is not bad.
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so please stop purposely misunderstanding my comments.

I am not writing about what is moral or ethical in real life, or even this story, I am writing about what I think an alien in a story should think is the correct human behavior based on what it has shown to know and change in the story in regards to human behavior.
 
Can we get past the Pedo comments please? How about these Topics instead?

What do you think Amy's reaction to Taylor screaming at her is going to be?

or

What do you think Mrs. Dallon's Psych profile is?

or

Do you think Amy will leave New Wave to get away from Glory Girl?

or lastly

Do you think Glory Girl is going to be put into quarantine or bird caged because of her Master Power?
 
will-fan-out said:
Can we get past the Pedo comments please? How about these Topics instead?

What do you think Amy's reaction to Taylor screaming at her is going to be?

or

What do you think Mrs. Dallon's Psych profile is?

or

Do you think Amy will leave New Wave to get away from Glory Girl?

or lastly

Do you think Glory Girl is going to be put into quarantine or bird caged because of her Master Power?
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Those are all excellent questions I fully condone people bickering endlessly about.
 
will-fan-out said:
Can we get past the Pedo comments please? How about these Topics instead?

What do you think Amy's reaction to Taylor screaming at her is going to be?

or

What do you think Mrs. Dallon's Psych profile is?

or

Do you think Amy will leave New Wave to get away from Glory Girl?

or lastly

Do you think Glory Girl is going to be put into quarantine or bird caged because of her Master Power?
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frommerman said:
Those are all excellent questions I fully condone people bickering endlessly about.
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I've got another one for you... now that she's established that she's Master Proof, how long before some idiot suggests using her against Heartbreaker and the Heartbroken. She may not want to fight, and I doubt she'd actually go for it, and there's no way in hell anyone with sense would send her as a Ward; but if you think about it,with a little physical training her power is pretty much tailor made to take out that compound. Plan it right and Heartbreaker wouldn't even see it coming.
 
Violation of Rule 5 - This Is Not The Place To Argue, Especially When You're Wrong
Strypgia said:
THE OP HAS REPEATEDLY ASKED YOU TO KNOCK OFF THE PEDOPHILIA DERAIL.
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This is false.
If the OP had actually done that even once, it would have been good and probably would have prevented much of this.

Instead, he did everything but actually asking for what he really wanted. Even here he just says 'I don't want to go into it too deeply;.. Chill out and enjoy the story.'. As a mod, I thought you would understand that this doesn't send any kind of clear message at all.

(yes, I do understand that I'm arguing with a mod, and no, I don't care. Because moderators making wholly wrong statements in their mod capacity discredits them, and that is something I would hope a mod would appreciate)

EDIT: Infracted? You are really too kind, Strypgia. I'm confused about 'wrong', though.
 
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Now that that debate has finally been stopped:
What do you think Amy's reaction to Taylor screaming at her is going to be?

Well, I'm sure she'll be scared, because she's trying to hide a lot of mental issues which she regards as symptoms of becoming a villain. She doesn't exactly know what Sanity's power is, but she can hazard a guess and may come to the wrong conclusion that Sanity thinks she's a ticking timebomb of a Hero.
Oh and she should be pretty pissed, because patient-client confidentiality and all that, because Taylor needs to be taught a thing about that. Taylor has shown a tendency to just spouting out the information she learns... that should stop soon if she doesn't want to piss off a lot of people.

What do you think Mrs. Dallon's Psych profile is?
Well, don't know the technical terms, but we know that she has severe trust issues resulting in a need to control those around her (marrying a guy with depression because he is safe, if that's not fanon). Well there's lots of small things, but most of them come from her trust issues.

Do you think Amy will leave New Wave to get away from Glory Girl?
Probably? Not just to get away from GG, the power sees her family life as a problem as well, thus it will cure her... by giving her distance to give her a way to rationally think about it, maybe? One way or another, she may want to distance herself from her family if they don't get cured by Sanity, what happens if they agree to the cure is anyone's guess.

Do you think Glory Girl is going to be put into quarantine or bird caged because of her Master Power?
A Master power that slowly infatuates everybody around her doesn't seem Birdcage worthy. Maybe a quarantine, but only for her to learn about how to control it since she's somewhat like cherish-lite atm.
 
ReaperCB919 said:
I've got another one for you... now that she's established that she's Master Proof, how long before some idiot suggests using her against Heartbreaker and the Heartbroken. She may not want to fight, and I doubt she'd actually go for it, and there's no way in hell anyone with sense would send her as a Ward; but if you think about it,with a little physical training her power is pretty much tailor made to take out that compound. Plan it right and Heartbreaker wouldn't even see it coming.
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From what I remember Heartbreaker had some mastered troop-type fodder, so I doubt one master-proof teen could take him out.

One another note, Frommerman, I notice you didn't have Amy's attraction to Vicky come up in Sanity's powers analysis of her. Did you just end up lumping that into Vicky's mastering of Amy?
 
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