Therapy, a Wormfic

Her power does not work on Zion at all.
Also setting weapons that work at light speed as kill-everything-forever would most likely wipe out a very good portion of the planet.
Also building plans based on information that the people in the story lack is not a valid method to say that they are doing it wrong,

hmm nice theory (its probably right but if it is then you are essentially saying that the story must end in doom)

So use perfect timing to order the door to Scion/Zion shut before detonation or angle portal up away from planet; easy peasy. Also generally you want to overkill wreck face with him, literally screw him the planet he's on and the moon too! (it is only a few LS away).

My argument remains valid; the information is EASILY available if anywhere near remotely reasonable power testing is performed.
The very first Endbringer running like hell from her with a net gun would be a pretty bring clue; unless you are a ParaHuman. Then your shard is actively nerfing your ability to connect the dots: Hmmm... Endbringers don't run from Scion/Zion but they do this power; DERP nothing significant here nope no sir.
(On that note: perfect aim? Perfect timing? and they give her a slow as hell to fire arbalest? what were they smoking?)

This is WORM; it is grim-Derp. IT DOES NOT GET BETTER. (sadly, happy ending are my preference; I just know that here at least it is not really a thing)

.. pretty sure that Lily's Sting power only works on material objects, not photons produced by said objects. Otherwise, she'd be able to kill her enemies with a stock standard flashlight.

Unknown; and again power testing fails (hard).
But even the expelled gasses and particulate dust would be enough for step 2. If you are feeling paranoid upgrade to a nuke/AM warhead for the kill.
 
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But even the expelled gasses and particulate dust would be enough for step 2. If you are feeling paranoid upgrade to a nuke/AM warhead for the kill.
Except that all the heroes (including Flechette) know about her power is that it's armour piercing, and really accurate. They just don't know how armour piercing and how accurate. Because of a distinct lack of Endbringers to attack with it.

And you really, really don't want Simurgh to take an interest in her.
 
True, an Endbringer would only be final power testing, they do however have options.
Can she give Alexandria a paper cut?
Can she hole a sheet of Clockblocker's paper?

Really, there should/would be systems in place for finding "THE ONE" of powers.
Need I remind that Cauldron is expressly looking for it? And her power is a formula power to boot.

In the end it comes down to: Worm has a plot hole with Sting being possessed by anyone and having the abilities it does VS Scion/Zion.
The ParaHumans are being mind-screwed by their own powers to not exploit this is a band-aid on the core issue.
Sting>Scion quickly easily. And the people of the setting have the means and the desire to get this information quickly and reasonably easy.

If Scion had a defense against Sting, or Sting were Nerfed then the issue would be moot. Perhaps It only has enough power to fire across a lot of dimensions not all? Or Scion has a screw-you shield against it in place (that he can forget about)?

EDIT: Silly me I got off topic.

I brought up the topic of Sting>Scion not because I have an opinion on it (though I obviously do); I bring it up because Cauldron now knows in the FanFic some inkling of the awesome power the shard has. How will this be handled? Are their weaknesses? Or does CR have... "A PLANTM​"
 
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In canon, the only reason Scion got killed is because he let himself be killed. He was absolutely capable of stopping Sting shots against himself by plucking them out of the air or teleporting, and even if he wasn't using the PATH shard all the time, he certainly had some kind of high-end danger sense because it would be stupid not to if your name is The Warrior. Therefore, I don't think surprising him with Flechette is actually an option. You have to emotionally break him enough that he gives up on life first.
 
The Ol' 'Don't be where the unstoppable bullet will be' plan; reasonable.

It is actually quite possible being that Scion is one of a pair that the version of Sting that is available has back-door Scion action so that he doesn't even need some form of danger sense to see it coming.
This is NOT stated canon; and indeed the ONLY fault actually stated in canon with "Sting ownz Scion" is beating his pre-cog or his will to live (guess which was ultimately easier).
 
After all, Contessa was not human.

I did not know this. One could never know anything, when it came to her, for every step and breath she took was foretold, planned ahead. A tiny piece in the uncountable infinity of the jigsaw puzzle she assembled, each man, woman, and child in the world less than a pawn before her might. The limitless depravities I had personally seen her commit, contrasted with the bottomless empathy she could display merely seconds after, contrasted with the daft absurdities that would follow, congealing into some deterministic walk to the end of our foe. A single strand of thought unbroken save by Endbringers, Eidolon, and Eve, ceaseless through the decades since Magic was declared real.

This is the most beautiful description of Contessa I have ever read. Thanks for the incredible chapter.
 
Things great about this fic:

-Depiction of Contessa. Like, seriously.
-Interpretation of the Scream. It's neat, and I always figured that Ziz drove people mad more than she Mastered them, usually. (Unless she felt like doing otherwise. I figure she CAN puppet people, but it's not her default course of action. Sandbagging Endbringers, etc.)
-Parian + Panacea = OP plz nerf.
-Um, everything else? Sure, let's go with that. Everything else.

Also, Dragon needs literally all the hugs. But so does everyone else. This fic is basically about everyone getting hug-bombed, repeatedly, until their issues have been sufficiently nuked from orbit.

...everyone except Coil. Damn you, Calvert. You're too crafty for even the Yamadamonster! :o
 
Warning: Warning
This is fucking retarded. I'll take one more swing at explaining why your dumbass theory is not on the table while the other two positions are, showing what each position judges from all combinations of good and bad means with good and bad ends.

Under "the ends do not justify the means." The most restrictive position, which requires both good ends and good means.

Good end, good means: good
Good end, bad means: bad
Bad end, good means: bad
Bad end, bad means: bad

Under "the ends justify the means." Less restrictive, as it allows good or bad means as long as the ends are good.

Good end, good means: good
Good end, bad means: good
Bad end, good means: bad
Bad end, bad means: bad

And now "The means justify the ends" which disregards ends and judges means only.

Good end, good means: good
Good end, bad means: bad
Bad end, good means: good (why the fuck would anyone think this is okay?)
Bad end, bad means: bad


Madagascar: SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING.

It's a Pandemic reference.

Anyway, there is a certain level of pedantic wankery that makes philosophical discussion impossible. Quibbling that releasing a plague is a means and not an end (when it damn well could be either) is beyond that level. I guess I'll just stick with abstractions in the future since you think complaining (wrongly) about the particulars of an example refutes the point that the example is illustrating.

Try this one, summarizing your position: "It is morally just to pursue evil so long as the paperwork is filled out correctly." The evil is the end, and the paperwork is the means, just so you don't fuck that up again.
warning First off, sorry this took so long. Life got in the way, but that's no excuse for late moderation.

@Pax_Empyrean, don't be an asshole needlessly. Be firm, be snarky, but don't be verbally abusive. It doesn't get your point across and it only makes you seem crude. Try being less abrasive, and maybe people will listen.
 
Inculcation 7.1
The whole world partied nonstop for a solid week.

Probably not the whole world, actually. Someone had to keep the lights on. But I saw none of that because the Protectorate, at the behest of the PRT, ferried Amy, Sabah, Lily, Dennis, and I from celebration to celebration non-stop. Everywhere we turned, from New York to Boston, San Diego to LA, Toronto to Berlin, we were met with thunderous roars, crowds eager to meet the kids who were supposed to be the new most powerful capes in the world.

The first few times I came on stage, people actually bum-rushed me. No harm done of course, and they hadn't meant any either. We learned quickly that I needed to step into the crowd as soon as I was introduced, trusting my multiple super strength and toughness boosts to keep me safe, so I could touch as many people as possible. Every party got better when the participants no longer had their neuroses hanging over them, after all! Eventually, I just took to crowd surfing, waving my tentacles around the upstretched hands and wiping out tens of thousands of illnesses in a few hours.

I'd never seen the appeal in being a rockstar, but this was even better!

In each city we visited, Amy and Sabah would go to the biggest hospital in town and, together, cure everyone. I kept a close eye on them, but they seemed to have figured out exactly how to work together and around each others' limitations at that scale. They would only need me, in the future, to take down another Endbringer!

Every time they worked their miracle, every patient and most of the staff would flood the streets, joining the rest of the world in their celebration.

Dennis and Lily, though they didn't have powers to directly help the cities we were visiting, honestly had a better time than the rest of us, though! Both of them seemed born for the spotlight, drinking in the sunbright glow of the adulation of millions. Dennis had perfected the showy, dramatic entry, running in from offstage while freezing notecards beneath his feet as stairsteps, to tower over the crowds, then taking advantage of his reinforced frame to jump to the ground, rocking the stage. Lily's power was obviously too dangerous to use like that, but she more than made up for that as she conducted the crowds.

They both seemed to really be getting on well with the ladies as well. Those of appropriate age, of course. I could tell our PRT handlers didn't particularly like that, but the Youth Guard was out in force as well, and they had some very specific things to say about "stifling the interpersonal growth of adolescents."

All thirteen of the Butchers laughed for several minutes when they heard that one.

One week after BD Day (Behemoth Down Day, the media were calling it), we teleported with Strider to Tokyo.

The moment we stepped out from behind that curtain, an entire nation roared. The stadium we stood in, once a symbol of Japan's re-emergence on the national stage following the devasation of World War II, the home of the 1964 Olympic games, had lost its luster when Kyushu sank and it became the home of hundreds of thousands of refugees. The nation sundered, it had taken years to clear them out, and this entire part of the city had fallen into crime and disrepair. There were still signs of that dark time here. Rough concrete crumbled around the edges, weathered seats and weathered faces in the crowd a testament to the struggles following the cataclysm. They had more to cheer about than most, for the death of an Endbringer.

As for what I saw…

Nearly every person in the crowd suffered from some form of trauma. Depression and anxiety ran rampant, the things Japan had borne too great for their psyches, their cheering more a mask for the horrors they'd witnessed than a mark of true enthusiasm.

We will fix this. Three stated.

Lily, in costume as we all were, stepped forward first, taking a Tinkertech mic that broadcasted and translated at a reasonable volume to every human in a prescribed area out as she began her speech.

"People of Japan!" The crowd roared for almost thirty seconds before they quieted enough for Lily to hear her own thoughts again. "You have suffered more than most, at the hands of the demons we call Endbringers. Your nation was shattered that day, all that you worked for taken away." She paused for a beat. "But you never lost your hope. You did not give up, in the face of all that you had lost. Even as the world around you grew darker, you still did what you could for those of your children who remained. But perhaps what I admire most about Japan is your strength, and determination, to see your culture survive. No matter where its children wound up in the diaspora."

Lily had volunteered for this next part almost immediately upon learning we would be making a stop in Tokyo. She removed her mask, beaming up into the crowd, arms outstretched. As the crowd realized what had just happened, she continued exultantly. "For I am a child of that diaspora! Whether it is Fate, or Chance, or perhaps the Kami, something conspired to see that one of those with the power to slay mankind's greatest foes would be Japanese!" As she said Kami, a small tilt of her head indicated her thoughts on that matter echoed those of most of the crowd. Very few Japanese were religious these days.

Lily knelt before the crowd as their titanic approval washed over us. She bowed her head. "I swear, upon this ground, the homeland of my ancestors, that I will not rest until all of the Endbringers are dead. Until Leviathan is nothing but ash, and the millions who died on that dark day are avenged! Japan, I swear that you will not have hoped in vain!" She stood, with clenched fists, and the sea of cheers did not calm for minutes.

----​

I took the mic from Lily, once speaking was practical again. "Tokyo! I see in this crowd terrible suffering." I let a small smile curl my mouth. "We can't have any of that! My usual MO isn't going to work at all, so we're going to go...bigger. Parian and my sister are going to extend me to cover this entire field. Anyone who wants healing need just walk down and touch the ground." I let the smile become a full-fledged grin. "I will stay as long as needed."

Thousands in the crowd began to surge towards the field as I held outstretched hands with Amy and Sabah, their powers coursing through me once more. The torrent of misery that was Tokyo began to vanish before my eyes.

----​

Amy set it up so that I could survive in this state for a while without her interference as long as I didn't move. I took a seat and let them get to Tokyo General Hospital, as hundreds of thousands of people surged into and out of the stadium around me. Lily and Dennis left me there, the stage protected by armed security and a forcefield around the podium, to go do their thing.

Fine by me. This was what I was made for.

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Night approached and I began to nod off. Fortunately, the torrent of people had dwindled to a trickle after a few hours, not everyone wanted fixing. I could understand that. Amy disentangled me from the mass and restored the grass of the stadium to its normal state and we took off for the hotel we would be spending the night in.

I was about to nod off when Amy burst into my room waving her phone and beaming, a confused Sabah behind her. "Taylor! Medhall's going to move their headquarters back to Oasis! We're going to have an economy!"

If Sabah's reaction was anything to go by, she hadn't been told about this before Amy burst in.

This was kind of bizarre, actually. I raised one eyebrow. "Umm, Amy. When we were providing a beatdown on Behemoth, how much awareness did you have of your general surroundings?"

She seemed confused by the apparent non-sequitur. "Umm. Not much? I was more focused on keeping all the biomass in an entire city alive and functioning than on actually paying attention to it. I can do that, but it's really bad for me, you know that. Why? What's wrong with Medhall?"

I nodded and stood. "Well. Sabah knows this too, I think." She nodded. I sighed. "Amy, Max Anders, the CEO of Medhall, is Kaiser."
 
Eh, Kaiser chose to out himself IMO. Did he even survive for that matter? I thought he refused to allow Sanity to touch him. And Brockton Bay is now glass.
Hardly. She and her friends just killed an Endbringer. If some asshole villains follow her to a new city and she leaks who they are to her friends, I really doubt it'll amount to much.

That said, I have a feeling that most of the Nazis may have been cured already.
If someone breaks the unwritten rules no one else will play nice with said person, it does not matter. If they decide to do anything with this information it can go very badly.
 
If someone breaks the unwritten rules no one else will play nice with said person, it does not matter. If they decide to do anything with this information it can go very badly.

People overstate the importance of the unwritten rules, as well as the number of people who give a shit about them.

Generally, those who do are either in positions of weakness (like canon Undersiders), or trying to bully someone weaker than them using said rules as an excuse.

There is a reason they are "unwritten" in the first place. They are also a different instance from the Endbringer Truce, which can bring literally every Cape in the vicinity on your head if you break it.
 
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People overstate the importance of the unwritten rules, as well as the number of people who give a shit about them.

Generally, those who do are either in positions of weakness (like canon Undersiders), or trying to bully someone weaker than them using said rules as an excuse.

There is a reason they are "unwritten" in the first place. They are also a different instance from the Endbringer Truce, which can bring literally every Cape in the vicinity on your head if you break it.

Yes, I think generally you have three types of capes. Capes who don't give a damn about the rules (e.g. Lung, Coil, Hookwolf, etc.), capes who follow it but are too busy plotting for every advantage to spare the manpower or effort to enforce them even when someone openly violates it (e.g. probably the Merchants, Butcher, PRT sometimes), and the capes who follow it and actually enforce it when they find someone violating it (e.g. Empire 88).

Notice that last group is a minority and tends to only do it when its convenient for them. For example, no one went out and tried to enforce the rules when the Brockton Bay Brigade (aka New Wave) violated the rules to take down Marquis. The Empire 88 only enforces it by catching the guy who in turn violates the rules to gun down Fleur (ironically this guy was actually not violating the rules since Fleur shouldn't have been covered by them after she broke them to take down the Marquis).

Basically, enforcement is real spotty and most powerful capes live full time in their cape persona and are just too arrogant or busy to be bothered going after people who break the rules. If you are secure enough and have good enough PR like the BBB had but the Empire 88 didn't have, you might not even have to worry about it at all.
 
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Bitches better recognize.
Bitch recognizes.

I'm just imagining her (and possibly her dogs) holding up a huge sign saying WITNESSED.

Also, you could always go THE TECHNO QUEEN route on the unwritten rules thing. It would be a shame if Medhall's ties to Geselhaft came to light, wouldn't it?

...though, honestly, it might not matter that much. Oasis is ridiculously healthy, which makes business slow for Medhall. And a lot of its ability to generate Neo-nazis comes from how it was one of the few thriving employers in a stagnant BB, right? As long as there's a reasonable amount of competition, I can't see them doing that much. And even if there's not competition, well, this city was built by someone who's in a lesbian relationship with an Asian.

tl;dr: E88 (at least in its canonical form) is probably screwed either way
 
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Yeah, Medhall would need to play ball with pretty much everyone if it wants to stay afloat in here. Kaiser does not seem to be stupid to the point of nuking his own business, though I do expect him to try to sneak some crap past the radar.

If it comes to worst... well, find a way to get Kaiser out of the equation, then find someone willing to go on an aggressive takeover assertive acquisition of Medhall.
 
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