The Twin Holds: A Dwarf Karak Quest. (Warhammer Fantasy)
Sad part is...even if the initial incident was staged, what followed wasn't and so uncovering the truth would at most just settle where the guilt is for the following incidents, and bring us back to the dwarf mentality of "Yes that happend...but those krutts still did the things after!"
Idk if the blood feud would be ended by revealing the truth.
Idk if the blood feud would be ended by revealing the truth.
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It'd make it easier to settle.
Oh that's good, I wasn't sure if it'd be enough to get the ball rolling or if each clan was already too dug in to move past it.
Will that be a possible intrigue action? Cause even if we're not getting in the middle, verifying foul play seems reasonable...and would the Priests of Gazul be able to help with that?
ah well, that's fine, misread as well.
Still curious about our new head priest, seems like he's either already, or near being a Living Ancestor.
True, it's why I figured the intrigue action would be verifying if there was foul play or not.
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Yeah. Of course, the Goldsmith's Guild can't really stop other dwarves from working in gold and doesn't try.
And the idea of the Miner's Guild stopping dwarves from mining in general would be as absurd as the idea of them stopping dwarves from drinking ale.
(I am pretty sure there's a lively tradition of dwarven jokes about the entirely fictitious Aledrinker's Guild)
But there are specific things that the guilds have legal monopolies on, and when you smack into those, you smack into them hard.
When your respective clans only actually have a few hundred members each, when guard duty is boring and usually superfluous, and when any one of your dwarves have much more productive labor they could be doing, and when there are multiple interior doors in the hold that each clan has an incentive to guard?
There are only so many warm bodies you can task with standing around guarding interior doors in the middle of the hold.
[ ] Leverage on Bokri's contacts with Teclis and Friedrich von Tarnus to bring in a Shyish Magister to speak with the dead Dawi guards' spirits. Solves the mystery immediately, but take +5 Shame for exposing to the Umgi that Dawi internal politics are as dirty and messy as Umgi politics.
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Honestly, I think the idea of using magic to conjure up the spirits of dead dawi who have already been laid to rest by the priests of Gazul would go beyond "+5 Shame" into "instant Slayer" territory.
Priest of Gazul would probably straight up kill said Shyish master for messing with Dawi spirits.
Feel like it's getting too scrutinized at this point, it was an inciting incident for a blood feud. We may or may not be able to look into it to see how to settle it, but until we can do something on it, might be best to hold off on trying to come up with reasons why it's unusual.
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To be fair, this is the kind of thing I'd expect any thane with sense to occasionally look at and go "Intrigue Advisor! Sort this shit out, see if there's any evidence of foul play from a third party," because it would be very much less of a pain in the ass if this turned out to be skaven or something.
Not wrong, but I'm just leery of trying to overanalyze what was shared about the incident is all. Not trying to dismiss it, just advising that we wait till we can sic an intrigue action on it and get deets.
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Dwarf axes. a strong Dwarf can cut through armour with a swing of their axe
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Although you'd think that "can a dwarf just chop through this with a chopping weapon" would be kind of a pass-fail standard for dwarven armor, in much the same way that "bullet proof" became a standard for the heavy breastplates of Early Modern era armor for a while.
"Is this armor any good? Well, ask Sven to try chopping a big gash in it with an axe. If he fails, it's good."
Then again, these are door guards covering an interior door in the middle of the hold. For all I know, they both wore cheap-shit armor because it's all they could afford, because they had both had their beloved but arthritic and nearsighted grandmothers and their respective and equally arthritic and nearsighted bickering Longplait sisters to care for.
That was more or less my thinking, what armor were they wearing, were the blows enough to pierce them with dwarven strength only, if not, could something else have done it, basically all the things I imagine the intrigue action might look over.
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I mean.
We don't test modern body armour against something like an anti-material rifle.
If a dwarf axe swung by an angry dwarf hits a suit of dwarf mail, the axe is gonna go through. The armour is meant to provide protection against crude greenskin and skaven weapons, and arrows fired by goblin bows.
We don't test modern body armour against something like an anti-material rifle.
If a dwarf axe swung by an angry dwarf hits a suit of dwarf mail, the axe is gonna go through. The armour is meant to provide protection against crude greenskin and skaven weapons, and arrows fired by goblin bows.
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Yeah.
I feel like we shouldn't be, but also that we aren't, so much going "Press X to doubt" on the whole narrative, as trying to explore possible angles that Ansgar or someone working for him could hypothetically pursue to investigate the killings. Seeing as how the brute-force magical "bust out the shyish" option is a non-option, after all.
I suppose. Maybe I'm underestimating just how superhumanly strong dwarves are.
If I expand a bit on my thought process, would you be okay with that? I wouldn't be doing it to bicker with you, just to explain what my reasoning was and how I came by it and a little bit of how I imagine stuff in Warhammer-world working.
Is that okay?
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I'm happy with almost any discussion in this thread. Go right ahead, my dude.
Guys we have an intrigue action to use this with since we do not need to use one on the Gormil, let's just take it and see the results before going more into this. If we are lucky it was Skaven (or Alyx the Shifter, the SoB is a shapechanger) and and we can settle this. If we are really lucky we can deal them a blistering fine as well and hopefully make the next blood feud less likely to explode as badly.
True, was just leery about getting hyperfocused on the idea that it was foul play at most, but having essentially a checklist for confirming if it was just...dwarves being dwarves or if someone tried to set them against each other is hardly a bad thing.
Checking armor quality vs axe for one, also blood on the axe for if the blows were made before or after wouldn't hurt i suppose.