You know what, I have been convinced. Screw Okri and the mining cart he rode in on. Hopefully we can find enough evidence of dirty dealings to shame him before all the Karaz Ankor.
[X] Nobody fleeces a Ranger!:
Thank you for reading my post, is was awfully long winded. I would of had no ill feelings if you continued to vote the way you had. But I do believe, that this was the "right" choice. This is Warhammer, we have done things many of us didnt wan't to do, to survive, or risked survival to a great many thing's. But we have taken precious few step's to reward those that listened and obeyed.
I hope we can earn any lost faith back with this, and show none can take advantage of this clan, if we can survive the badlands, we can survive greedy guilds and dwarf politics.
...On the one hand, you're not wrong...on the other hand, I'm not sure where you're right if that makes sense?
The only case that I can recall off the top of my head where we didn't take immediate recompense/action was with the Wissenland false offer of aid to pull their Fait Accompli, and even then it was more to do Magnus a solid as it *is* his empire that it happened in, and the thread's been pretty consistent about finding ways of keeping our word but still shafting Wissenland's ruling family as much as possible.
We took the reclaiming our hold option in the attack even if the skaven got lucky with another crit, we took the option to accept the aid from Belegar and are prepping to repay him in kind if not more because it not only served our interests to do so...but we can friggin relate to wanting to get one's hold back, and overall I can't exactly recall when we've really bent over for anyone.
So it was a well thought post as QM says...I'm actually curious as to how you've come to the feelings you've expressed here, if only so we can be on the same page on them.
That being said, you have made a very compelling case for saying "nuts" to Okri if I hadn't been convinced already, and as I *have* said before, establishing that we won't be fleeced and we never will no matter how 'sun touched' we are, is a very good thing.
If there's one thing I can agree we've swallowed a great deal of in this quest and the old one...it's the disdain and patronization of other dwarves because of this that and the other, from Bokri being too young, to our clan staying on the surface, to how our Guild was founded.
I can agree that, combined with the trait 'low tolerance for Trollshit', Bokri is long overdue for saying "ENOUGH!"
I chalk it up to differant mind set's, but from the original quest till now, their are several time's where the wording of an option didn't sit well with me, or the way we went about an option didn't sit well with me. That I had this picture of our young thane, that was simular to the way others in participation saw him.
Sometimes I didn't vote, because I felt the options were, effective, or equally ineffective into shaping his character, and the vote I saw as the most pragmatic option was leading, and I could not think of a way to get my voice across, without seeming antagonizing or diminish others well thought out plans, or thought's.
Sometime's I get really into the mindset of the protagonist, the character, whom we control/influence/direct in these quest's, othertimes I find my self divorced, or alien in their thought's and actions.
And with this quest it's been a mix of both. There have been choices presented to us, where I thought we should of gone another way, and it wasn't with solland, or wissenland or umgi my thoughts have fallen too. But back as early as when we marched to fight chaos. And that's just the nature of quest's, and that's fine.
But if the answer to every vote, is in a sense the same answer, what are we even doing? Our young thane took a clan that should of settled into hold, one in need of recovery, and thrust it into war. That was his nature, his character, and not really in our control. How he conducted him self, and used his people was, and I agree'd internally with roughly half of those decisions. And didn't always vote my mind, having seen what the majority wanted, and felt my input mattering little. But that was forever ago, and I'm trying to match my detachment and immersion in a constructive manner. As I recognize a lot of people love the immersive battles, and dialogue and interactions, and a lot of people just want ten to twenty turns to build our twin holds, and other's want other things.
But what we've been voting on since the start, is how to survive, how to keep as many of our clan alive as possible, or how to spend their lives as effectively as possible, and not always for our clan, but the distant future, or near future of others. And I wont argue those votes, or go back and tally where I disagreed, because I love this quest. I love that it has taken this direction, that thing's I didn't want to do were done, that I am not this thane. That's our protagonist, who, I will think fondly of even if he passes. And though I love him, I recognize, perhaps if he caught a bolt to the eye, it would not be such a great loss for those whose live's he's been careless and careful with in the past.
And I blame that on the QM, for he's been intelligent, careful, and when needed reckless enough to craft this immersive experience, where I have been thinking as a member of clan Rakidum, advising the Thane. And found my self disliking the thane, as often as I've found my self liking him. And it feels so very much like a highschool friendship, which has grown colder, since elementary school. People grow, for better are worse, and whilst they grow, they often regress.
This quest, is so very warhammer. No matter how any of you vote, or which turn it takes, I love this quest.
