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The Streetwalker's Guide to the Hierarchy
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OctarineShrike
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So how would a PR campaign to fuel our power of the king work if we aren't actually conquering them and staying here? Would they go around calling us their spiritual liege like Roboute Guilliman or something? A lot of my issue is that I don't grok the Power of the King harvesting proposal
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Honestly at minimum any plan should try to argue for dwindling time. Boosting masks is significantly more valuable than standalone artifacts imo. The rest I could take or leave, but I would like the free power ups.
[X] Renegotiate: Seeds of Royalty
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Does that mean we can mollify the Forest by Burgeoning an area, then dwindling the same (non-Forested, after all) area we just Burgeoned?
[X] Accept
-[X] First priority is a Relic or Dwindling-boosted Mask that will allow you to determine the risk of a dwindling/burgeoning (presumably more general by nature, but this is the primary usage), and one for concealment from divination and/or spies, to mitigate the risk of a Forest counterattack. Have some prepared method to make sure you can survive the first counterattack if your method isn't specifically countered, and adjust your actions if such a counterattack occurs, maybe leaving immediately.
-[X] For any volatile relics you don't buy, Japhris can presumably use their Mana for a dwindling or burgeoning? Same for any useless ones.
-[X] Try to emphasize your noble/royal status in your public persona, but it's not the main negotiation priority.
Birdsie
Sharp Talons Cleave The Worthy
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A cycle of this sort occurs naturally where Japhris is from; Burgeoning and Dwindling are the defining features of Cirantilian life.
You should beware the fact that repeated Burgeoning and Dwindling on an area might have undesirable consequences outside of the immediately apparent!
Could we just... move around, then?
Birdsie
Sharp Talons Cleave The Worthy
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If only there were places that aren't all forested, eh? I guess you could go into space.
So the forest doesn't care that which part of it was dwindled, only that it was dwindled at all?
Birdsie
Sharp Talons Cleave The Worthy
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What can I say, except that it is one big organism?
[X] Accept - What else is there to say? A month of labor in return for lots of powerful relics you almost certainly wouldn't have been able to acquire otherwise.
We lose nothing by accepting except one month of time and mostly zero risk (heck, we even make a positive contribution to the world this way), and I'm pretty sure lifespan isn't an issue here?
We lose nothing by accepting except one month of time and mostly zero risk (heck, we even make a positive contribution to the world this way), and I'm pretty sure lifespan isn't an issue here?
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Probably safest to consider it more like 1/2, given that travel from Oasis accelerates the timer.
Anyway, this is a pretty tough situation. The locals have enough firepower that even a hint of dishonesty putting them on high alert is a meaningful obstacle to getting back to the street.
We should find out what the conversion rate is if Jpahris is able to liquidate relics into Dwindlings. The biggest risk is the locals figuring out that we want to stay near Oasis (to prolong our stay) and that we need to leave *from* Oasis. Our current deal costs about half of our available time on this world. Grabbing a fast & reusable teleport opens up opportunities to ratfuck the planet before we leave. Provoke the forest and then gtfo during the last 2 weeks we have on the clock after going through this deal.
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
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[X] Accept
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[X] Accept
I am not sold on any of the write ins. We don't have the leverage to farm rulership points - at best we're a very well paid contractor. And the idea of draining relics for Dwindlings should take a backseat to the diversity of effects that are on offer. The Cloak was able to salvage what felt like a pretty hostile reception. Relics for DPS, mobility, divination, R&D, or personal augmentation would all amplify the power set that we already have access to.
Plus having relics that Linnaeus can hold makes him a more effectivepawn squire and accelerates his own growth.
I'm on team Relic Grab now, I think.
I am not sold on any of the write ins. We don't have the leverage to farm rulership points - at best we're a very well paid contractor. And the idea of draining relics for Dwindlings should take a backseat to the diversity of effects that are on offer. The Cloak was able to salvage what felt like a pretty hostile reception. Relics for DPS, mobility, divination, R&D, or personal augmentation would all amplify the power set that we already have access to.
Plus having relics that Linnaeus can hold makes him a more effective
I'm on team Relic Grab now, I think.
To be frank, I don't like my plan either, however the default option also doesn't inspire confidence.
[X] Accept
I guess. Can't say I'm happy about it.
Would Mana generation mask be feasible? Or rather, how much potential/how many Masks of 40-50 Potential would we required to create a Dwindling worth of mana every day. If the amount of effort is reasonable(i.e. three 60 Potential Masks, so about nine Dwindlings to generate) then going for that might be a good way to farm without upsetting the forest.
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I don't think it actually takes much leverage to farm at least a bit of rulership points. The fact of the matter is that Dorian is a noble- it shouldn't take much, or indeed any, social capital for him to inform the people of Taure of this fact while he's explaining various things (indeed he already mentioned it once). Just the populace being informed "A noble from another world created this land for us" puts us in a somewhat kingly position, and I can't imagine it would take much social capital to mention, like, 'currently, my formal title would be Your Grace' and then any member of the populace who wants to hear about their land-making savior will infer we're a Space King.
If we want to aggressively pursue "I'm the king of the land I make, make sure all who move there submit to my royal authority" that might be hard, but getting the level 1 'a lot of people think you're probably a king and maybe own the land or not' should be an easy target-of-opportunity.
We could probably get a bit further without much cost by just... making a crown and wearing it, for that matter. There's low-hanging fruit to be gotten.
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This seems like a minor boost over vanilla accept, but I'll take it.
I do wonder if we could get these people to assist in generating the mana differentials needed for big Dwindlings, but I'm guessing that getting to buy from their vault of goodies will move us in that direction (after all, they don't seem to have too fine a grasp on mana).
This seems like a minor boost over vanilla accept, but I'll take it.
I do wonder if we could get these people to assist in generating the mana differentials needed for big Dwindlings, but I'm guessing that getting to buy from their vault of goodies will move us in that direction (after all, they don't seem to have too fine a grasp on mana).
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I'm not sure that what you call "level 1" will be as easy as you say. Nobility is not really in the habit of doing labor in exchange for rewards. Birdsie probably won't punish it, but there is a world where this kind of commerce (instead of delegating the task to a subject) undermines Dorian's status.
Given the extreme skepticism and distrust we saw at the start of the negotiations, I'm not sure that quirky affectations about royal status will be the low-cost "low hanging fruit" that you predict.
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I mean... most of the work is on Japhris, no? She's the one who has Arcanism.
the Maskcraft part is on Dorian, but crafting masks is something Dorian likes doing anyway- I imagine he'd prefer to do it personally even if he had someone to delegate to. There's also the concept of Noblesse Oblige, which would argue that not only can Dorian personally produce the Masks this world is bereft of, but it's his obligation as a superior, noble, and magically capable individual to help these peasants.
...there's some kinds of quirky affectations that could be hard, but I don't see how "truthfully describe oneself as a noble, specifically a king" or "wear a crown." could lead to extreme skepticism or worse rates! The latter is a personal clothing choice, and we're already going to be a weirdo clothing-wise due to wearing Masks all the time, and if their history is earthlike then there's already an established, if probably-now-archaic, tradition of 'When someone who's royalty shows up formal communication usually refers to them by their proper title or a general title for nobility or royalty as such'.
If we push too hard they might push back, but if the extent of the push is 'allow me to formally introduce myself. I am Dorian Croft, noble son of Drethir, King of (I don't remember what Lineas's world is called), and traveller of the Street where the Stones Speak.' I find it extremely improbable that they will, so we can at least go that far.
I also find it highly improbable that they would object to us introducing ourselves as "King Dorian"- even if they think it's sus, it's the kind of sus that would be very awkward to push back against and would seem to them like offending us for no reason.
In conclusion, low-hanging fruit should exist, and Dorian is a social expert; he'll be fine.