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The Rising of the Shield Heroine

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Just A Dude said:
While I absolutely get your point, and agree with it, I also feel compelled to point out that people generally really, really misuse the word "crutch" when they use it as an insult.

You know what an actual crutch is? It's an essential medical device that restores mobility to someone whose leg is unable to function properly.

There's nothing shameful about a crutch. If you have a bad leg, you need a crutch. If you have depression, you need anti-depressants.
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While I agree with the general gist of your point here, I think you're being overly pedantic. Particularly since you're point isn't really reflective of the portion of the chapter under discussion. I mean can you honestly tell me you read that line in the chapter as anything other than Danny lamenting his weakness at needing both outside assistance and chemical aids to even begin to reconcile with his daughter?

And don't get me wrong, I'm not at all saying that attitude is unrealistic in general or arguably realistic in Danny's case in particular. I'm saying it's a toxic line of thinking, and I want to determine if the author put it there to BE clearly toxic and possibly something for the character to overcome and grow from doing so, or if they happen to agree with that line of thinking.


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Garreon said:
Full disclaimer i don't actually dislike Mark Dallon, but I also don't like him. His situation is fucked up, I know, but despite having 2 daughters that love him, and should make sure he takes his pills and goes to therapy, he really doesn't even try
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This is another wonderful example of the type of toxic thinking I was talking about still being prevalent all over. Dealing with sticking to a treatment regime is one of the hardest parts of working to combat depression, and bullshit attitudes like this is part of why it can be so difficult. How the hell do you even form this idea? I mean, he's a fictional character so sure a particular story could go with that characterization, but it would be a terrible story with no bearing on canon or the reality of how people deal with depression.

Honestly, at this point if we could just get people who want to criticize/comment on characters with depression to just stop themselves when ever they start saying things like "If they would just..." or "If they just tried a little harder..." it would do wonders for my own mental health and blood pressure.
 
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Tale Swapper said:
Danny's smile widened as the two girls took turns insulting him. It had taken a tragedy, but it usually does take a ship running aground to have a lighthouse set up. He could see again.
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I absolutely love this bit.
Tale Swapper said:
The antidepressants were a crutch, one he hated-
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No, Danny. Antidepressants are a prosthetic leg, not a crutch. They aren't there to take a bit of weight of. They're there to replace lost functionality.
Tale Swapper said:
"Not as Trainwreck, no." The smaller cape tilted her helmet, visor pointed up at the other Cape. "But maybe as Gregor, someday."

"...maybe as Gregor." The older cape gave a hesitant nod. He owed this girl so much.
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I really like this take on Trainwreck. It's nice to see the little glimmers of who he used to be peeking through.
 
...may want to stop the train here before it escalates further. This is a thread about the story, not about how hard it is for people with depression to deal with it.

In my opinion, people hate having to ask for help, whether it be from people or meds. That is just my opinion, and I may be wrong in this case.

Just let it die.
 
DALuc1f3r said:
...may want to stop the train here before it escalates further. This is a thread about the story, not about how hard it is for people with depression to deal with it.

In my opinion, people hate having to ask for help, whether it be from people or meds. That is just my opinion, and I may be wrong in this case.

Just let it die.
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Yes please. Danny doesn't like using drugs in general; the fact he has to take something every day to function is discomforting to him. He knows it's necessary, but he has a bit of an old-school male mentality that any drugs you use regularly are a failure on your own part for not being able to take care of yourself. It's not true, but it is something people feel. That's the long and short of it.

And please, do not throw stones at Mark Dallon. The Dallon residence in general is messed up; but they've yet to show up at all so far. And when I get to them (if I do) I'm unlikely to have the full medical and psychological knowledge I need to do full justice to their situation. If anyone wants to help me refine my knowledge, feel free to bring it up to me in PMs.
 
Tale Swapper said:
You know what, I'm just going to put this out there: if it was abandoned on the side of the road or could reasonably be thrown into the trash, Taylor's likely snagged one up, stuffed it in the Holy Shield, looked at the resulting option, and then never used it. I don't show you guys everything Taylor gets up to, and as a result I don't show you every shield. While it'd be a good way to pad my word count, that's not my goal here.
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I think is a good idea, and is a good Deus ex machina if you ever need a specific type of shield. I think the web or light nibel dud the exact same thing
 
Wentley said:
Side effects are a thing, especially if he is on other medications. I moved to another, more expensive med because of side effects myself. Also, it depends on his insurance. Mark up for meds is insane.
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My point was that with his financial situation, he should have asked to try one of the cheaper generic ones first before moving on to the expensive stuff.
If the cheaper ones didn't work or caused side effects, then of course he could go on to the expensive stuff.
 
a question @Tale Swapper : if Taylor absorbs a flower she would get only "the flower shield" or "one flower shield"?

because every flower has a meaning in Alchemy (one of the magic sistems on RotSH) and they could give Taylor different powers.

for example: the Roses represent passion and they give (in alchemy) fire, grow and beuty, while the Poppy's represent determination and they give light, contansce(not sure of the english word for "constancia") and memories, while the Lily's represent "a brief moment" and would give Water, and time
 
You get different shield for different ballon colors why would you bring up alchemy tp jusify different shields for different cflowers
 
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Omake Requests/Ideas
  • Apocrypha
    • Hey y'all! I've had a few... random thoughts about this story. A ideas that I ultimately decided wouldn't fit with the direction this plans to go, and dungeon/item ideas that I scrapped for one reason or another. There's also been a lot of people suggesting new shields, future recruits, or directions the story could go that I don't plan on following up on. With that in mind, I figured I'd put up this little board. I'm going to be tossing up my discarded story ideas here before writing them, to gauge interest in what might have been, as well as open the floor for written omake.
    Really hope I don't regret this....
    This is more to get the ball rolling than anything else, and to remind me to come back to the first idea and write it in eventually.
    Tale Swapper's Ideas:
    1. What if the Holy Shield was P2W?
    2. Gredg Veder's Wisdom Stat... and PICNIC.
    3. Abyssal Dungeon and Kanmusu summon spirit
    4. Heraldry meets Skitter, Marceau, and Einhard
    5. The inevitable Taylor Varga and/or Mauling Snarks crossovers
    6. What if Taylor got the other Holy Weapons?
    7. Canon Lung Fight Redux
    Reader Ideas:
    • This shield is the Drill which shall pierce the Heavens! (Origin)
    • Druggie Shields (Origin)
    • Danny Hebert Joins the Party (Origin - Basics Complete)
    • Fugly Bob Shield (Origin)
    • Bakuda Glass Bomb Shield (Origin)
    • Glory Girl uses Battering Ram! Heraldry takes damage from recoil! (Origin)
    • Multiple Times people Referenced the 'Giant Door' Shield from Dark Souls, or Mash from FGO
    If everyone shows interest in a particular Omake, I might write a few hundred words on it; it'll at least keep my head in this story. If anyone else wants to write a few hundred words on an Omake, or try to design a Shield... well. I'll either match their word count (no padding, please) or make the shield canon. (I reserve the right to the Hussie Contingency, though)
     
  • Apocrypha
    • Timestop Shield is a must. Imagine a shield that can pop Grey Boy Bubbles... or freeze attackers in time...

    Taylor needs a timestop bomb to feed the shield.
     
    What she needs is a soap shield to scrub Gregor/Trainwreck with. I'm sure it would work wonders against Mush, too.
     
    A blunderbus shield stores smallish objects that hit it, bullets, debris no bigger then a fist, that can fire the stored materiel on command about as fast as a pro baseball player can pitch (not compatible to gun projectile speeds)
     
    I wonder if she could absorb a Grey Boy bubble and get a save/reload function? (Alabaster is alive and so isn't a valid target)
     
    =Wok Shield for extra-delicious cooking.

    =Tranquilizer Dart Shield.

    =Umbrella Shield with a Feather-Fall effect so she doesn't take as much damage when falling from great heights (like "Mary Poppins").

    =Chameleon Shield for sneaking.

    =Mirror Shield to reflect energy attacks.

    LMS said:
    A blunderbus shield stores smallish objects that hit it, bullets, debris no bigger then a fist, that can fire the stored materiel on command about as fast as a pro baseball player can pitch (not compatible to gun projectile speeds)
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    Maybe a Teapot Shield that either fires scolding tea or releases steam as a Grue-like smokescreen.

    See "American McGee's Alice" for more details.
     
    Tale Swapper said:
    Heraldry meets Skitter, Marceau, and Einhard
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    I love the idea of a 'Council of Taylor' just an extra-dimensional place where various Taylors get together, compare and contrast their Universes, and generally are surprised at the others. I imagine other Taylors there would be:
    Doctor Wily (Light!Wily!Taylor from Fate Woven in Steel)
    Ladybird (Pony!Taylor from Ladybird)
    Naurelin (Dragon!Taylor from Scaling Up)
    Keeper (Dungeon Keeper!Taylor from Hive Keeper)
    Papillion (Taylor with Nooroo from Miraculous)
    Grimoire (Yu-Gi-Oh!Taylor from Screw the Rules, I have Escalation)
    Terraform (A:tLA!Taylor from Avatar Taylor)
    Sacrosanct (Espada!Taylor from Nailing the Sword)
    X (Megaman X!Taylor from Unlimited Potential)
    Scratch (Devil!Taylor from Devilish)
    Green Arrow (Green Arrow!Taylor from Green Arrow)
    Strix (Hunter!Taylor from Book Hunter)
    Empress (Kerrigan!Taylor from Evolution)
    Jiraiya (Toad Summoner!Taylor from The Great Toad Sage of Brockton Bay)
    Guzma!Taylor from Ya'll are Stupid (No code name)
    Arturia!Taylor from Born in the Bay (No code name)
    Fae!Taylor from It's All in the Blood (No code name, that I'm aware of)
    Chrysalis (Phantom Thief!Taylor from A Beginner's Guide to Stealing Brockton Bay)
    and many others.

    I don't read all Worm fanfics, not even some of the Popular ones, but these are ones I like.
     
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