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Carandol said:
Holy water stops being holy if you desecrate it. Drinking it could well count.

I think the Catholic position is that it has to be treated with appropriate reverence, similar to a Bible, or it stops being holy, which would rule out casual drinking, and many other uses. Drinking it with a sincere prayer, or while meditating on god's grace, might work though. Similarly for loading up water pistols, you might well need to pray for permission to use the holy water for that purpose.
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Using Holy Water as a way of protection or weapon against demons can't be desecrating as long as person don't go out of the way to do something really clashing with faith. So casual drinking or using as ammo for water pistol wouldn't affect effectiveness in any way as long as it's for said purpose. Now using it in some sort of magical ritual, even if it's gray-ish and purely for protection probably would.
 
Getting involved in the spell seems to be a terrible idea, if trying to game chaos spells was a good idea Ethan would have been dressed as Merlin.
 
al103 said:
Using Holy Water as a way of protection or weapon against demons can't be desecrating as long as person don't go out of the way to do something really clashing with faith. So casual drinking or using as ammo for water pistol wouldn't affect effectiveness in any way as long as it's for said purpose. Now using it in some sort of magical ritual, even if it's gray-ish and purely for protection probably would.
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This is probably correct. Other than that, IIRC Holy Water stays consecrated until it evaporates (or otherwise rejoins the water cycle).
 
Holy Water is best used as a throwing weapon. After all, it gives a trail of fire, which is infinitely more awesome than splashing
 
Time to go buy one of those pocket laser pointers with different symbols you can screw into the end. now to find one with a cross symbol. had one of these as a kid grand total of 5 bucks and came with like 10 different images that the laser was shaped as.

now if you can just figure out a way to make it project a magic circle your good to go

edit: this is what I am talking about
 
Next part is ready for beta. A small warning...i have had small amounts of alcohol. I got no idea how that affect my spelling and grammar.
 
I'll give it a try but fair warning its summer powerout time so my internet may go at any moment
 
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    • I glared at my arch enemy "You will not defeat me this time. I am invincible! You can not win! Give up already!"

    The pencil said nothing, it just laid there on the table.

    "Oh come on!" I groaned and then closed my eyes again, focusing my mind and power like the book described, breathing slowly.

    According the book there are two ways to use magic. Internal and external.


    The first is Internal magic. This is not something anyone can do. Even if everyone technically has the power, many don't have enough to do anything with it. What I was attempting to do was the basic test for it...focus your power and move that pencil. It came with a warning that it could take a good long while to learn to get right, especially when learning from a book.

    Willow in the series could fly a pencil around the room in a week or two. Almost two weeks into training and mine have yet to sodding move at all.


    I calmed myself back down and then I opened my eyes, focusing once more at the pencil.


    The second method is external. It is fueled by a external source, like a god, goddess or a demon, often in return for prayers or sacrifices. Anyone can do this. This is where spells come in...think of them as a macro for calling on the entities power. If the entity approve it will supply the power. Same thing with rituals but they are used for more powerful things.

    This is also the cause of magic addiction, other than the thing of 'power corrupts'. Channeling more power than you can naturally handle is addictive.

    You can however grow your internal power with use and practice, like a muscle, making it possible for you to handle more external power.


    It didn't take long for me to decide to keep the hell away from external magic. Not only for the risk of addiction, but also because it put you at the mercy of some supernatural dick that can cut you of from your spells at pretty much a whim.


    "Move." I commanded the pencil and it just laid there.


    I sighed and glared at it, simply willing it to move...and it rolled over.

    I almost fell out of my chair in surprise before I resisted the urge to face desk. All this time I have been thinking 'move'. The word move.

    Not 'wanting it' to move.


    Shaking my head I got back in position and tried it again...and a couple of minutes it rolled over once more.


    Smiling happily I packed my stuff up and headed out to find a restaurant somewhere. I just broke the laws of physics so I decided that is worth some celebrating. No saving money by cooking my meals on a camping kitchen in my room today!



    That's when I passed by Ethan's costume shop. I stopped outside and looked for a moment before continuing on my way in the search for food, now in deep thought.

    I forgot I was in season 2...It's hard to think of it like that when you are actually living it. Not as a main character, but what equals to a NPC in the other end of town.

    Halloween was coming.


    I walked into the restaurant, found myself a table and ordered a big steak. I then leaned back on my chair, idly tapping a finger on the table as I thought.


    It all depend on if I was in canon or not. The magic store indicate it wasn't...or at a minimum only the name of the store was different. If itwas the canon time line, I would just end up with some memories and skills.

    If this is some kind of fandom one, I could get powers...


    I smiled and thanked the pretty waitress as my meal arrived before I dug in happily...and almost choked on a piece of potatoes when a horrible thought hit me.


    Something that's more than a possibility due to me being in this reality. Someone put me here to fuck with me because I liked writing SI fiction. Something powerful.


    What if this is the version of the Buffyverse that is going to turn into Halloween world?


    Swallowing I looked down at my plate, suddenly not feeling hungry anymore as I realized what I must do.

    I couldn't risk it.


    I need to somehow stop Ethan Rayne.



    AN// Big thanks to Harish for betaing this part.
     
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    • Endymion said:
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    Hiver, really stopping a free upgrade and interfering with a MAJOR plot point of BtVS. Halloween needs to happen otherwise Xander doesn't get Soldier Memories. No Memories no Bomb for the Mayor. No Memories no Rocket Launcher for the Judge.

    :Sigh:

    Halloween needs to happen or the world dies.
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    You do realize that worst comes to worst the US government would have just called in the army to kill the judge and mayor right? Honestly those two things were only considered world enders by thousand year old books. So it's just sad that nobody realizes that the world was much smaller and humanity much weaker that long ago.
     
    Endymion said:
    :Facepalm:

    Hiver, really stopping a free upgrade and interfering with a MAJOR plot point of BtVS. Halloween needs to happen otherwise Xander doesn't get Soldier Memories. No Memories no Bomb for the Mayor. No Memories no Rocket Launcher for the Judge.

    :Sigh:

    Halloween needs to happen or the world dies.
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    Problem is, Hiver The Character is uncertain if this is canon world, as opposed to one of the fanfic worlds where Halloween doesn't have a happy ending.

    Since he is uncertain if the world will end before those soldier memories even become relevant, he's faced with a choice. Trust that canon rails continue to roll along and let an evil guy let loose a chaotic spell that almost does in the Slayer, or try to stop it. If the world is on canon rails, he may derail it in trying to save it. Then again, being present within the town and working at the local nightunlife bar may have already done that/do that in the close future: the observer always affects the observed, to some degree.
    On the other hand, if this isn't canon rails any longer (or never was), Halloween spell happening might be a Bad End in short or long term.

    Without further information, he cannot estimate the propabilities for any eventuality. At which point, the question becomes more simplified: "Do I let a bad guy initiate his plan, possibly dooming the scoobies and killing innocents, in the possibly vain trust that things sort themselves just fine?"

    Caring about the timeline in the long term is beyond Hiver in any case with the resources he has at hand. Unless he plans to suicide right now, predicting the details of events years down the line is going to be tough to impossible. The best he can do is treat each crisis as it comes, acting as if each potential end of the world actually can end the world at the slightest mishap; including the potential mishap of him doing nothing.

    Finally, nothing about the Halloween situation is a guaranteed power upgrade. Partaking in it is a risk, with a possible reward in the subset of events where nothing goes wrong. Playing around with divine powers fuelling a spell of that magnitude isn't a frivolous idea to be indulged in at a whim.
     
    The magic store's name was, IIRC, never actually stated until Giles bought it season five. Seeing as how store names do change, that is hardly an indicator that this is a different version from canon.
     
    Cyclone said:
    The magic store's name was, IIRC, never actually stated until Giles bought it season five. Seeing as how store names do change, that is hardly an indicator that this is a different version from canon.
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    Yea but since he didn't know that till you mentioned it, neither would his SI. ;)
     
    A problem that I have with stopping it, in case it is Halloween World, is that if it isn't he's fucked them over hard.
    That's a tiny fraction of the possible versions he's in, as in just about every other timeline/version uses the events of canon in regards to Halloween.

    So on the very off chance that it is Bad End, he's going to risk all those other plot-lines to prevent it.
    And if it is Halloween and he doesn't stop it, he's a planeswalker and will likely survive and move on.
     
    Planeswalking takes way more power then he is likely to have unless he petitions a god/demon to open the portals for him.
     
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