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LockedKeye said:
Miss what? That night? Or that entire universe? Remember, the whole point is that at the moment he can't control his power.
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I must be missing something, because beyond the title implying it, I can't find anything about further dimension hopping.
So I'm running on what he could do in this verse. If he can't or leaves beforehand, no big loss, but until such time, plans are to be made.
 
The problem with Hiver finding 'Plainswalking For Dummies' or similar instruction is that the guy that is in the story may not know that he is one. All he knows is that he is in Buffyverse 1997. If a plainswalker comes by and chooses to teach him or an artifact shows what he is then he can start practicing. If not it may be a couple of jumps (how often/randomly do new plainwalkers shift anyway?) before he figures out what is going on.
 
Well, this could be interesting. Going to look for the Orbs of Nezzla'khan? Even if you're not interested in hunting, being practically indestructible and super-strong could only help. You'd need to make sure they don't get broken, though.
 
Zealot said:
The low risk/medium reward option is to dress as a standard Earth human with some kind of useful skills. While this is by far not as impressive as becoming a superhero for a short while, it might help you get on your feet in this universe and explore other options, preferably away from Sunnydale.
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Mythbuster Costume, fun and profit in one package. Just imagine the possibilities.
As a minor sidenote, check if Dawn exists. Just curious.
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It should be possible to do safely, just ask Willy after a few weeks for a summary of the White Hats. Just ask if the Slayer has any siblings or such.
 
Going by what Illyria says, planeswalking in the Buffy multiverse is less fun then you would think and involves such fun things as a worlds made up solely of shrimp.
 
Essex said:
I'd suggest lowering it. According to a quick internet search, State and Federal minimum wage at the time was $5.15/hour Jobs in food service can legally pay less than minimum wage since it is assumed that tips will make up the difference.

Also, Willy has to be smart enough to realize that the only reason somebody would work for him is if they couldn't work at a legal job. Since your SI has a foreign accent, Willy can probably guess that you're in the country illegally. Off the books workers can safely be paid less, since they have few good employment options.

I'd go with $4/hour plus tips. Since demons in Sunnydale are generally evil, I'd expect them to be poor tippers. If you're working 10 hour shifts each night, that'd get you $50+ dollars each night. Weekly charges at a bad motel would probably amount to about $100. Since you have no kitchen, you'll probably be living on fast food/diner food for awhile at a cost of about $15-$25/day. Save everything you can so you can eventually buy a decent fake ID. I have no idea how much one of those would cost.
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You forgot the one staple of being or working for evil in fiction, it pays good. ;)
 
Pay too low though, and you won't get any applicants at all.
Willy is also limited by how many there are that would actually take the job and not blow him off like 99% of the people he deals with.

If Hiver turned down the job, does he have anyone else willing to do it?
 
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    • "Another plate of chicken wings!" the wrinkly demon called out causing me to frown.

    "You sure Clem? You already had two." I answered while sliding a glass of beer to a red demon sitting by the bar.

    The wrinkly grey demon nodded "Yes. I'm hungry."

    I shrugged "Your stomach, mate." and went and heated up another one.

    After working here for a couple of weeks I managed to talk Willy into introducing some more bar food than simply baked onions. In this case spicy chicken wings. The crowd loved it.


    I returned to the bar a minute later and put the plate on the bartop "Wings are ready." I said and Clem got them as the door opened to reveal a newcommer.

    Spike.

    "Barkeep, pint of blood and a scotch." he said as he sat down by the bar "And none of that cheap pig's blood. O negative."

    "May I interest you in a cheese onion? It's free if you fill in a review of it. It's something new we are trying." I told him as I heated up a pint of blood while serving the wiskey.


    Spike the Bloody. One of the four scourges of Europe. Sitting about a meter away from me.

    He raised a eyebrow "Do I look like the kind to fill out sodding reviews, mate?"

    I shrugged "Can't say you do. Just saying...for a couple of ticked boxes on a paper, you get some snacks for free."

    I put down his drinks and he snorted "Give me one of those onions...and a pen."


    Willy rolled his eyes, manning the other end of the bar as I grinned on my way into the back room to ready the meal. Nobody resist free stuff...this is America after all. Not even evil hell beasts.

    We did the same thing with the chicken wings and they bring in as much income as the blood now!


    As I heat the onion up I took a long swing from my bottle of water. Holy water actually.

    When I had picked up clothes, priority two was protection. In this case a cross to wear around my neck, a stake, a small water pistol and holy water.

    Lugging a 24 pack of bottled water into the biggest church in town and getting it blessed...drew a lot less looks than it should have.

    The priest just gave me a sad look. The second time I did it the look was more surprised than anything.


    I put the bottle back down and brought the meal back to the waiting scourge of Europe along with a pen and a review paper. If drinking holy water actually works or not...I had no idea. But it sure as hell couldn't hurt.

    Giving Spike a quick look I returned to the rest of the customers. Killing him would actually be relatively easy. Nobody suspect the guy serving the food.

    I mentally shrugged and continued my work. Not only would it likely get me fired and/or killed, there is no telling what it would do to the timeline.




    The next day after getting some sleep I headed out onto town. I did see something a couple of days ago, a store called Uncle Bob's Magic Cabinet. It looked like the Magic Box magic store.

    I leaned against the tree outside and frowned slightly as I looked it over. Possibly a sign of alternate reality.

    I shook my head and then headed inside, feeling more than a bit thankful that my ribs are quickly getting better.


    The inside of the store was smaller than I remember from the show, but otherwise it's at least a partial match.

    "Yes, can I help you?" a old man asked as he exited the back room at the sound of the door's bell.

    "Just browsing. You wouldn't have any books?" I asked and he nodded.

    "In the back of the store, two shelves."

    "Thanks." I said and headed back there only to locate two shelf's of new age crap. I spent a minute looking through the selection before I shook my head and headed back to the counter.

    "Not exactly what I was looking for. Got any of the 'real' stuff?" I asked and he frowned.

    "I got no idea what you are talking about." he protested and I pulled my stake from me pocket, putting it on the counter.

    He eyed it and then nodded "Looking for something in particular?"

    "Something...simple and cheapish." I said and he frowned.

    "Hmm, simple AND cheap? Not a easy thing to do. But I think I can find something..." he said and headed into the back.

    I slowly tapped the counter as I glanced around while waiting. Apparently this owner was not quite as open about magic as the other owners...if this really is the 'right' reality.

    The old man, who I assumed is named Bob returned with a small book, putting it on the counter "May I ask exactly what you are going to use this for?"

    I sighed and then nodded "Protection. I'm a human and live in 'this' town."

    He watched me for a moment before he nodded "Fair enough." and slid it over to me "That will be sixty dollars."

    I gave him a wide eyed look at the price before glancing at the title. 'To harness the arcane arts'.

    Nodding I handed the cash over "If this turn out to be a fake..."

    He smiled "It is not. No guarantee you can actually use any of it though...no amount of teaching or books will make up for zero talent. And don't blame me if you get yourself killed."

    I shook my head "I don't plan to go undead." and grabbed the book before making my way back to my motel room.


    On the way I saw someone.


    Trying not to stare I watched Buffy, Willow and Xander cross the road in front of me. As they rounded the corner I shook my head and continued on my way.

    Buffy is hot...but she are also 16. That's creepy.

    Something suddenly hit me and I can't help but laugh as I walk inside and lock the door behind me.

    I am neither old enough or evil enough for her to be attracted to me anyway. She should have one of those height measuring things they have on amusement parks next to her that say 'You must be this evil to ride'.

    Chuckling I locked the door and pushed the dresser and bed back in front of the door before sitting down to open the book.

    Time to see if any of this shit are going to help in any way....or if opening this book is going to suck my soul out.

    Oh well...some chances needed to be taken.



    AN// Big thanks to Vlad III for betaing this section.
     
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    • I've seen the drinking holy water idea before. The fact that the priest was surprised to see Hiver the second time does not speak well of its efficacy, however.
     
    Don't get a costume, get a job with Ethan. Find out how the spell works then engineer your own power up ritual. Simple and seeing as how you'd be the one casting their is less risk of the spell having some unknown side effect.
     
    hance1986 said:
    If you need knowledge that could stay and be useful post-Halloween, try Tony Stark, Iron Man. In the Buffyverse, magic takes too long to gain real power if you are a newbie, and learning martial arts also takes too long. But humans have always been tool users, and what better tool can there be for holding your own than building a repulsor weapon out of a box of scraps! or later on a version of Iron Man armor.
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    A few things to consider, Marvel universe etc all run on physics vastly different to anything the real world uses. (biggest difference is that momentum isn't conserved in marvel which is crazy, see newtons laws)

    Buffyverse except for magic is supposed to run as basically the same as our universe (with a few bits of tech which are implied to be interfacing with magic in some way).

    Therefore chaos magic induced memories of fictional tech geniuses which don't have physical constraints that match our own universes would actually hinder Hiver.

    My personal recommendation would be to have a costume of some fictional character that is supposed to be from our own future rather than a purely alternative universe entirely prehaps a character that uses Nanotechnology as the tech could reconstruct other devices which would persist after the chaos magic ends because the effects it utilizes are based on standard physics concepts despite the chaos magic shaping it in the first place.

    Lastly i'm hoping to see you actually take this story to a conclusion I kind of guessed that the star trek one would die because you wouldn't have any challenges.
     
    Coeus said:
    Hmm, good point. Heheh, fine How about Gilgamesh Wulfenbach?
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    Does anyone else see a problem with deliberately allowing themselves to be part of the Halloween spell? A spell cast by a man who summoned demons for a magical high, is a self proclaimed chaos worshipper who nearly got Buffy - The Slayer, the person who's job it is to stop beings from trying to END THE WORLD - killed for a practical joke, helped the mayor try to sacrifice babies to a demon and turned Giles into a demon as a joke?

    That the spell might have unknown dangerous side effects, or have some kind of programmed in flaw that Ethan can exploit, or might deliberately do something because he finds it funny.

    Now offering to work for Ethan, or finding another way to get a hold of the spell and then checking it for safety before using it ... that doesn't sound better to any of you?
     
    SemiSaneAuthor said:
    Does anyone else see a problem with deliberately allowing themselves to be part of the Halloween spell? A spell cast by a man who summoned demons for a magical high, is a self proclaimed chaos worshipper who nearly got Buffy - The Slayer, the person who's job it is to stop beings from trying to END THE WORLD - killed for a practical joke, helped the mayor try to sacrifice babies to a demon and turned Giles into a demon as a joke?

    That the spell might have unknown dangerous side effects, or have some kind of programmed in flaw that Ethan can exploit, or might deliberately do something because he finds it funny.

    Now offering to work for Ethan, or finding another way to get a hold of the spell and then checking it for safety before using it ... that doesn't sound better to any of you?
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    chaos magic is stated to be done at the behest of the roman god Janus.

    I don't think it's a spell with any kind of forumal craft that could be edited and checked for safety it's not a program in a language you could peruse the code of to check for its effects. It's a ritual drawing the attention of a being that simply enjoys chaos of any kind.

    Attempting to pervert the ritual is unlikely to work because it's powered by an extra dimensional being looking to get his jollies off. The only way to exploit that is to find a way to ensure doing so causes chaos not to try and make the ritual safe.
     
    SuperSonicSound said:
    chaos magic is stated to be done at the behest of the roman god Janus.

    I don't think it's a spell with any kind of forumal craft that could be edited and checked for safety it's not a program in a language you could peruse the code of to check for its effects. It's a ritual drawing the attention of a being that simply enjoys chaos of any kind.

    Attempting to pervert the ritual is unlikely to work because it's powered by an extra dimensional being looking to get his jollies off. The only way to exploit that is to find a way to ensure doing so causes chaos not to try and make the ritual safe.
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    Janus ([URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language']Latin: Ianus) is the god of beginnings and transitions,[1] thence also of gates, doors, doorways, endings and time(Uncertain on the last part as it isn't sourced)[/URL]. That's what the Wiki says (with my little mod to the time part), JANUS IS NOT A CHAOS GOD. HE IS NOT. Anyway a spell or invocation has an underlying structure, a meaning. Everything can be broken down and quantified, the universe has rules and so therefore magic does as well.

    If you do something a certain way then A will happen, if you change it to a different form B will happen. Even if you don't have knowledge on how the underlying structure of magic works, doesn't mean you can't find out. Get some mice, a work room and a few months to a year or two of experimentation with the spell then you can figure it out and quantify it.

    Also JANUS IS NOT A CHAOS GOD! PLE-ASE DO YOUR RE-SEA-RCH OR YOU SHALL BE EX-TER-MIN-AT-ED!
     
    SemiSaneAuthor said:
    Janus (Latin: Ianus) is the god of beginnings and transitions,[1] thence also of gates, doors, doorways, endings and time(Uncertain on the last part as it isn't sourced). That's what the Wiki says (with my little mod to the time part), JANUS IS NOT A CHAOS GOD. HE IS NOT. Anyway a spell or invocation has an underlying structure, a meaning. Everything can be broken down and quantified, the universe has rules and so therefore magic does as well.

    If you do something a certain way then A will happen, if you change it to a different form B will happen. Even if you don't have knowledge on how the underlying structure of magic works, doesn't mean you can't find out. Get some mice, a work room and a few months to a year or two of experimentation with the spell then you can figure it out and quantify it.

    Also JANUS IS NOT A CHAOS GOD! PLE-ASE DO YOUR RE-SEA-RCH OR YOU SHALL BE EX-TER-MIN-AT-ED!
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    Janus is a chaos god in buffyverse which also happens to be a fictional world. Regardless it's not a spell powered from latent 'magical energy'

    Ethan is literally praying to a god who then decides "hey this idea is great lets have some fun"

    It's a ritual with the end result being decided by an outsider being. not a simple mechanical overlay onto tap of magical energy which you can edit subtly to influence the result.

    Magic isn't physics in buffyverse.
     
    Coeus said:
    By the same sentiment, think things trough if your serious and not just throwing crack ideas out there :)
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    all of this is irrelevant any way. The most compelling stories are those where the main character/protagonist actually faces challenges and adversity. If he can just go ololo magic costume time and suddenly he can solve every problem he comes across in the story/verse there is no tension and no drama. It becomes a curb stomp. It can be fun to read curbstomps but they grow stale for bother writer and audience.
     
    Coeus said:
    By the same sentiment, think things trough if your serious and not just throwing crack ideas out there :)
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    I was blowing of some steam by making a joke, just because something is a joke doesn't mean that I can't be serious about the topic.
    SuperSonicSound said:
    Janus is a chaos god in buffyverse which also happens to be a fictional world. Regardless it's not a spell powered from latent 'magical energy'
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    The general rule of the buffyverse is that its the same as our earth, just with the supernatural thrown in. So unless one of Rome's gods, who was worshipped for hundreds of years and who a whole month is named after (January) was a chaos god instead of being a god of change ... that's a massive deviation.

    Unless something is meddling with things then in spite of a nail rarely plays out that way. It would be a massive AU from all the differences that would spawn from those differences. So No, as an Agnostic Pagan I'm going to say that Janus is still Janus not JINO (Janus In Name Only).
    Ethan is literally praying to a god who then decides "hey this idea is great lets have some fun"
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    Gods and Goddesses have likely their own reason to perform a ritual, but Invoking Janus instead or Eris is likely a safety thing. There's a difference between playing with fire and playing with Chlorine Trifluoride.
    It's a ritual with the end result being decided by an outsider being. not a simple mechanical overlay onto tap of magical energy which you can edit subtly to influence the result.

    Magic isn't physics in buffyverse.
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    While I hate the season 8 comics actually magic does obey physics in some form, also nowhere in the Seven TV series did they say that magic doesn't obey physics. Also Everything has rules in some form or another, so magic must obey rules otherwise it can do anything. Which is lazy writing and breaks the setting. It has rules so therefore it can be understood, it can be understood so it can be quantified.

    So there.
     
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