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The Life of a Half-Saiyan (Thread1) (DBZ)

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That doesn't really work unless you have informants.
If you want to take over, you need an army of loyal followers (not necessarily good at fighting mind you) who can run the individual states and staff the government.

People to inform on the rebellion, to maintain taxes and enforce the law for an entire planet.
Conquest is actually kind of hard to do as a single person. Also if you conquer the world, then how are you going to get hilarious teenage school drama and laugh at Gohan's attempts at being normal?
 
One Classy Hydra said:
That's about what I'd expect a three-year old to come up with as a system of government, yes.
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Furry would probably end up still in charge of anything, just ultimately answers to us and whatever demands we might make. Kinda like Zeno, he's the king of everything because he says he is and no-one is willing to disagree, but he doesn't actually do much ruling.
lordchaos99 said:
That doesn't really work unless you have informants.
If you want to take over, you need an army of loyal followers (not necessarily good at fighting mind you) who can run the individual states and staff the government.

People to inform on the rebellion, to maintain taxes and enforce the law for an entire planet.
Conquest is actually kind of hard to do as a single person. Also if you conquer the world, then how are you going to get hilarious teenage school drama and laugh at Gohan's attempts at being normal?
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If you are strong enough, doesn't seem that hard to take over. I mean, I don't think the common man would mind too much who their king is if we don't change up their day-to-day life too much. And the few people in power who WOULD mind we could cow into submission.
 
You don't know?
He was a renowned doctor working on medical research including transhumanist techniques (Biological Immortality via halting the aging process, Mind Upload/Download etc.). That's all you know before a tectonic shift buried his mountain home in ice presumably killing Doctor Wheelo.

Trondason said:
Furry would probably end up still in charge of anything, just ultimately answers to us and whatever demands we might make. Kinda like Zeno, he's the king of everything because he says he is and no-one is willing to disagree, but he doesn't actually do much ruling.

If you are strong enough, doesn't seem that hard to take over. I mean, I don't think the common man would mind too much who their king is if we don't change up their day-to-day life too much. And the few people in power who WOULD mind we could cow into submission.
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The common man probably wouldn't notice a bloodless coup you are right, unless you start going brutal inhuman monster. The higher ups would and cowing people into submission is really really hard to do without a cadre of loyal followers. You'd be dealing with lackluster performance, hidden funds or supplies, people trying to crash your new empire into the ground and you are just one (at that point probably) four year old.
Build up some followers, grab some Employees and turn them into your New World Government then overthrow the top ranks and some of the middle ranks. That's generally the way to Coup.
 
If you think a change in global rulership due to literal Might Makes Right wouldn't cause a huge kerfuffle and cause every metaphorical hidden knife to come out in spades, I suspect you don't know much about politics, friend.

The actual act of ruling is really fucking difficult, and not nearly as rewarding as it sounds. Even if we relegated ourselves to a figurehead role by not taking any actual responsibilities, we'd still have supplicants, be expected to mediate political disagreements, and have every political sociopath with more ambition than fear on the literal planet trying to wield us as a weapon through social manipulation.

World Domination has a high cost for being basically just a lolpower achievement trophy. Unless we have some actual goal in mind I wouldn't bother.
 
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lordchaos99 said:
The common man probably wouldn't notice a bloodless coup you are right, unless you start going brutal inhuman monster. The higher ups would and cowing people into submission is really really hard to do without a cadre of loyal followers. You'd be dealing with lackluster performance, hidden funds or supplies, people trying to crash your new empire into the ground and you are just one (at that point probably) four year old.
Build up some followers, grab some Employees and turn them into your New World Government then overthrow the top ranks and some of the middle ranks. That's generally the way to Coup.
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Why would it be hard to cow them? We can be pretty much anywhere in the world at any moment, break through all defenses, and do anything to them we like. Since the government would be exactly the same except with us as a figurehead who would occasionally make childish decrees, I think they wouldn't perform that differently. If they perform lackluster, they'd get fired, like usual. Hidden funds and supplies would be dealt with teh same way it was before hand. Crashing the new empire would be the exact same as crashing the old one, and would effect us just as much.
One Classy Hydra said:
If you think a change in global rulership due to literal Might Makes Right wouldn't cause a huge kerfuffle and cause every metaphorical hidden knife to come out in spades, I suspect you don't know much about politics, friend.

The actual act of ruling is really fucking difficult, and not nearly as rewarding as it sounds. Even if we relegated ourselves to a figurehead role by not taking any actual responsibilities, we'd still have supplicants, be expected to mediate political disagreements, and have every political sociopath with more ambition than fear on the literal planet trying to wield us as a weapon through social manipulation.

World Domination has a high cost for being basically just a lolpower achievement trophy. Unless we have some actual goal in mind I wouldn't bother.
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Supplicants wouldn't be too bad. If they don't go away when we tell them to, we blow them up.
We could mediate political disputes as we wish. They can't really make us do anything we don't want to do. We could mediate them so badly people stop wanting us to do so. Or we could blow up the people who keep bugging us.
I'm pretty sure every political sociopath would want to wield us as a weapon ANYWAYS. If not us, then Goku, since everyone knows he beat Piccolo, and even if they didn't see that they got to see him beat Piccolo Jr in the tournament. We are all SUPER strong, and would make EXCELLENT henchmen and tools against their enemies.
 
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Trondason said:
Supplicants wouldn't be too bad. If they don't go away when we tell them to, we blow them up.We could mediate political disputes as we wish. They can't really make us do anything we don't want to do. We could mediate them so badly people stop wanting us to do so. Or we could blow up the people who keep bugging us.
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And when this inevitably leads to a global meltdown we...?

Power Levels do not make us good at keeping society functioning. Our tyrant routine will lead to discontentment in the masses, then rebellion, and then outright chaos when we clumsily try to stomp out dissent by blowing it up.

Trondason said:
I'm pretty sure every political sociopath would want to wield us as a weapon ANYWAYS. If not us, then Goku, since everyone knows he beat Piccolo, and even if they didn't see that they got to see him beat Piccolo Jr in the tournament. We are all SUPER strong, and would make EXCELLENT henchmen and tools against their enemies.
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I believe that's the main reason the Z-warriors avoided publicity in the canon series, yes, that and the media. It's hard to be targeted for manipulation if most people don't know we exist.

And people don't know about Goku, that's canon. It's public record he was the winner of the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament, but those are pretty niche and given little attention until (and possibly because?) Mr. Satan wins the 24th (The 24th is also the same year the World Tournament adds a Youth division, so it may just be that the organizers decided to spring for more public media attention from then on). People don't even know about ki.

I'm also pretty sure Piccolo Jr. isn't really a thing the public knows about either. The public's knowledge of what happened during the Piccolo incident at all is questionable.
 
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People are aware of Piccolo Jr, opinion is split on if it was really the Demon King's son or if it was a poser. And even then mostly on conspiracy sites and martial arts 'fans'
Then Hercule Satan goes on his rants and convinces people it was all tricks and staged fights so he is just a poser.
 
One Classy Hydra said:
And when this inevitably leads to a global meltdown we...?

Power Levels do not make us good at keeping society functioning. Our tyrant routine will lead to discontentment in the masses, then rebellion, and then outright chaos when we clumsily try to stomp out dissent by blowing it up.
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We don't need to keep society functioning. Fuzzy and everyone else would keep doing that, they just ultimately answer to us.
As for "Clumsily try to stomp out dissent", it wouldn't be that clumsy. We wouldn't be killing people randomly, only those who personally offend us.
One Classy Hydra said:
I believe that's the main reason the Z-warriors avoided publicity in the canon series, yes, that and the media. It's hard to be targeted for manipulation if most people don't know we exist.
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They don't avoid publicity that much. They go to the tournaments and show off. Yamcha became a major league base ball player specifically due to his ability to throw balls no-one can catch, and to always hit balls out of the park, and to always catch balls. They don't SEEK OUT publicity, but they don't really avoid it.
One Classy Hydra said:
And people don't know about Goku, that's canon. It's public record he was the winner of the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament, but those are pretty niche and given little attention until (and possibly because?) Mr. Satan wins the 24th (The 24th is also the same year the World Tournament adds a Youth division, so it may just be that the organizers decided to spring for more public media attention from then on). People don't even know about ki.
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How could they not know about ki? What do they think happened with King Piccolo who blew up the nations armies as well as a bunch of other shit? What about all the people who died, and then came back to life?
 
Trondason said:
Some pretty effective tricks.

Hmm, when IS the next World Tournament anyways? They are every 5 years, and we don't have much longer to go before we are 5, meaning either one happened already in our life time, or will before long.
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Every three years, but the Tournament got cancelled after Piccolo did his shit.

The next one (unless butterflies) is in Age 767 (May7). You were born in 757 (May18).
 
lordchaos99 said:
Every three years,
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Huh, it was 5 years till the 21st. After that it was every 3.
lordchaos99 said:
but the Tournament got cancelled after Piccolo did his shit.

The next one (unless butterflies) is in Age 767 (May7). You were born in 757 (May18).
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Ah man, we have to wait till we are (almost) 10 before we can show the world how superior we are (in a legal fashion)? That sucks. We need to get Mr Piccolo to clean up after himself, and go repair the arena so we can show off.
 
Write ins?

Either buy the rights to the WMAT name or write in that you attend lesser tournaments
Synergy with "Learn how to copycat techniques" as well. All those stances and little adjustments might (if you roll well enough) coalesce in an actual Ki martial art
 
Hercule's an asshole. He made people disbelieve in Ki as a form of revenge against Mercenary Tao. The humans were lucky as fuck that Gohan and krillin published that book about Ki.
 
Graves said:
Hercule's an asshole. He made people disbelieve in Ki as a form of revenge against Mercenary Tao. The humans were lucky as fuck that Gohan and krillin published that book about Ki.
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Meh, revenge implies intent. Hercule's just terrified of the idea there's people in the world able to kill him as easily as Tao did his master. He became influential enough that the ranting he used as a coping mechanism became generally accepted fact, but there's no evidence he did so with the intent of getting back at the Crane School.

Red Bovine said:
So I think after this that we are all in agreement that learning magic is definitely a prioty to gain resistance on it?
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Sorta late for that, innit? There aren't exactly a wealth of hypnotic enemies I can imagine us going up against in the future. Guldo, maybe. I think Frieza has some sort of telepathic ability, but it's never been demonstrated to paralyze the uninitiated like Samuel's ability.

Trondason said:
Why first? Ki Training is mostly important when we are doing Martial Arts training. We aren't, so finishing Ki Training wouldn't do us any good next turn.
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There's no real reason we need to do Orange now and Martial Arts later.
 
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One Classy Hydra said:
Sorta late for that, innit? There aren't exactly a wealth of hypnotic enemies I can imagine us going up against in the future. Guldo, maybe. I think Frieza has some sort of telepathic ability, but it's never been demonstrated to paralyze the uninitiated like Samuel's ability.

There's no real reason we need to do Orange now and Martial Arts later.
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General Blue had the ability, taught Samuel (though Sam tweaked the technique, in a futile attempt to bypass Mercenary Tao's immunity) who then taught three of his four underlings. Two of which have escaped (though they might have been in the current fight against Garlic, you dont know, Gossard thinks he killed them twice each and the Ginger thrice), and you don't know if they were the only ones.
'Canon' Samuel and every pupil he taught attacked Tao to get revenge for Blue, and were brutally murdered when Tao was still immune. In this, his band was hired by Garlic and given more resources.
 
One Classy Hydra said:
There's no real reason we need to do Orange now and Martial Arts later.
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Orange, and it's manipulation of reality, seems like it would synergize well with Magic. And Science would seem like it'd synergize well with Magic, if for nothing else but Magic Materialization allowing us to instantly fabricate any components we want and could design.

Plus, MA and Ki Training would take up two slots since there'd be no reason to not take them together. So if we did them together, we couldn't do Science, and our Science score is dropping from underuse.
 
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