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In the current lore, this wasn't on purpose so much as a catastrophic accident resulting from the method they used to hide the Jade Prison, and is a curse that no one really anticipated or wanted.
The Last Daughter -- Dragon-Blooded Sorcery School Quest
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So if an enterprising young sorceress were to break whatever is hiding the Jade prison, it might come undone?
What about hearth mates? A soul wound is seemingly enough for Amiti to remember Sai. Therefore an oath binding Peony and Ambraea together should be enough to ensure furure memories are retained.
Oh, and I missed it in the shuffle, but on reflection it's hilarious that Teran didn't actually have any inkling of what was up with Peony (and couldn't, since I don't imagine there's any means accessible to Ambrea or her peers, or possibly to virtually anyone in Creation, to identify "is about to exalt as a Sidereal"), beyond perhaps thinking she looked tired and stressed - so instead his behaviour that made me think he might know what was up was him worrying that she might be a slave. And not because slavery is bad, as such (if I'm understanding this correctly), but because it's bad for Dragon-blooded to have slaves in their personal service, because the slaves are so far beneath them it's bad practice.
What's even funnier is that this might actually still be a good idea over all! It's fairly plausible to me that in a society which already has slavery as a given there may be a benefit to at least making sure the people at the top of it aren't surrounded by literal human property required to obey their every instruction on pain of death; a mandate that at least the ruling class have to have actual free, paid servants may genuinely do social good. Creation is messed up.
What's even funnier is that this might actually still be a good idea over all! It's fairly plausible to me that in a society which already has slavery as a given there may be a benefit to at least making sure the people at the top of it aren't surrounded by literal human property required to obey their every instruction on pain of death; a mandate that at least the ruling class have to have actual free, paid servants may genuinely do social good. Creation is messed up.
As far as I know, only Dragon-blooded can form a hearth or Sworn Kinship.
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The Solar Exaltations are locked in the Jade Prison. It's due to be found and broken into in approximately one year, six months from the latest update -- identical timing to when the Empress vanishes. That doesn't undo Arcane Fate, though, and if you just needed to throw sorcery at the problem, the Sidereals would have done that over the past 1300 years. You can remember a Sidereal with difficulty, and Exalts are better at it than most people, but it's something Sidereals have to live with.
In the Realm's system, only Dragon-Blooded can own slaves, although they will sometimes lend them out to mortal relatives. The rational is that only they are wise enough etc. to not abuse the privilege. So, that's what Teran is speaking to there. It is true though that he's saying that slavery is bad based on these specific religious objections based on his upbringing in a nation with a strict caste system. It's kind of a tradeoff.
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Does immaculate theology actually address this? I thought most of them except for the highest levels didn't know about other types of exalts (aside from 'anathema')
slybrarian
Creature of Fable
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From a strictly mechanical standpoint, if Peony joined our 'party' we could remember her, but that's a rule that exists to make playing a Sidereal in a mixed group possible. It's not something that from a narrative standpoint is assured. People are also, I think, making some assumptions about both her desire to form a more equal friendship with us and our ability to change our own attitude quickly enough. There is absolutely no way that our current relationship can remain, because she is now an Exalted and also has a job in Heaven. A job that makes her fabulously wealthy, by the way; I would not be surprised if her income is higher than Ambrea and she may even have access to a manse or artifacts depending on what her predecessor set up.
Well, there is a very long list of people who want vengeance on him, and that's only the one who can actually remember that Cajun Carjack even exists or what his name is, so you'll have to get in line behind folks like Raksi.
Well, there is a very long list of people who want vengeance on him, and that's only the one who can actually remember that Cajun Carjack even exists or what his name is, so you'll have to get in line behind folks like Raksi.
I doubt that Peony is concerned about losing her employer. Not after she lost her mother.
Most Sidereal Exalted are highly motivated to recover someone precious to them. If it was not impossibly difficult to do so, more of them would succeed.
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Anyone with an advanced religious education knows Lunars and Solars are Exalts, it's a "you need the proper spiritual grounding to understand this and still internalise that they're irredeemable" thing, not a secret. That Exigents etc. are a kind of Exalt isn't even obscured that much. The Order's stance to various Exalt types is individualised, but there is a general theological one about why they think Dragon-Blooded are uniquely deserving of their power.
Sidereals in particular existing is something that only a handful of people in the Realm know about, mostly because it's just really hard to remember them.
Edit: The Immaculate Texts do address Sidereals existing in a few obscure and indirect passages, which are handy for Sidereals trying to give the pitch to an Immaculate monk or whatever. It's not anything official, but I've written up a representation of that for games a couple times:
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It's like she's simultaneously entered witness protection and been recruited into the CIA, except in terms of the removal from her former context it's more like she's been recruited by Special Circumstances.
(I do wonder about the restrictions on her current identity and her future personas. Setting aside the issue of how long it would take her to learn to do this and whether she'd actually have the time or freedom to try, could she, in principle, show back up tomorrow wearing the resplendent destiny of Demure Peony, original character do not steal, a humble mortal servant from the Imperial household, who waited on Ambrea when they were younger, although Ambraea may not remember it? How different would the character she portrays have to be before her powers would allow her to inhabit it again?)
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What if Peony had a resplendent destiny of being a dragon blood attendee of the Heptagram? Would her existence as a stand in dragon exalt be enough to form a Hearthbond in spite of actually being a Celestial Exalt?
UrsaTempest
Don't Panic!
Oh dear.
Well if Ambraea dig enough she could found out about Sidereal Exalted, I believe, but... yeah. This will be tough on them.
And not including Maia being paranoid for a woman that seems to elude her memory, too.
Well if Ambraea dig enough she could found out about Sidereal Exalted, I believe, but... yeah. This will be tough on them.
And not including Maia being paranoid for a woman that seems to elude her memory, too.
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You can't make a resplandecent destiny of a dragon blood student.
Resplandecent destinies are very generic disguises - It allows to turn you into Maid A or Guard B. People that aren't very important and are mostly in the sidelines.
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No, only actual Dragon-Bloods can swear a Hearth oath. There's one thing in Heirs to the Shogunate where a Lunar and DB can approximate it by using the Lunar/Solar bond and sort of finding an adapter between the Hearth oath and the bond and bridging them, but it's not quite the same as a Hearth oath, in either mechanics or lore.
Sidereals don't really have a comparable thing to find an adapter for.
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You *can* form a deeper relationship with someone through a resplendent destiny, but those things are kind of fraught. It's like befriending someone while undercover as a fake person. There's a loss of closeness.
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Well, they can be specific enough to make you Instructor Sai, guest lecturer at the Heptagram for at least two years and maybe longer before Ambraea enrolled, expert on necromancy, who most people don't pay much attention to but is definitely a named, speaking part rather than an extra. I wouldn't find it implausible for someone to play a similar part as a student who's always busy or away for one reason or another.
Ah, damn. Poor Peony.
Probably not very much in the near future; new Siddies get to go through years of training up in Heaven before they get let out to do things.
Probably not very much in the near future; new Siddies get to go through years of training up in Heaven before they get let out to do things.
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He wasn't using a Resplendent Destiny, though.
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Resplendent Destinies make it hard to recognise the Sidereal in question, and it causes them to give off a particular vibe based on the constellation used. There are also various charms that Sidereals have access to that can let them just kind of show up and no one questions it.
The Bureau of Destiny has connections with the Heptagram that would let them arrange to have a Sidereal teach there for a year or two on sabbatical or something, though.
The Bureau of Destiny has connections with the Heptagram that would let them arrange to have a Sidereal teach there for a year or two on sabbatical or something, though.
Oh, hell, poor Peony. Poor Ambraea. This is not something either of them needed. Given how their relationship had been uneasy, I really want to see Peony's response to having her role in the world changed so much relative to Ambraea.
In the words of the wise sage, "That's rough buddy."
In the words of the wise sage, "That's rough buddy."
As I was reading the update I was increasingly concerned that Peony was going to Exalt as an Abyssal or was haunted by some Yozi. (be gentle my knowledge was limited) When it became blatantly obvious that she had in fact Exalted as a Sidereal, I thought, "Man, how am I so relieved at something so bad."
The best part of the pain was thinking about Peony losing her relationship with both Ambrea and her mother, and what sort of compromises Peony would be willing to make in order to recreate a facsimile thereof.
The best part of the pain was thinking about Peony losing her relationship with both Ambrea and her mother, and what sort of compromises Peony would be willing to make in order to recreate a facsimile thereof.
K von Carstein
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I don't get it either 😅
What does this mean for Peony's mother? Also for Ambrea's personal servant? I was of the impression that there was very much expected to be a peony-shaped object in Ambrea's orbit and that it's absence is likely to be noted? What are the odds of our mother figuring out what happened?
Wasn't there a meme at some point that starting player-characters could, if sufficiently min-maxed, quite handily defeat The Ebon Dragon? I'm just, kinda not certain that Exalted is necessarily the best setting for impossibilities...
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