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Huh. I had her pegged as more of "build fancy mance full of iconography of the immaculate texts and the people who violate them. Stick none typical sorceress with great potential in mance. Visit every so often and discuss said Iconography in addition to sorcery." Kind of matriarch after the whole trophy case graveyard city update. Micromanaging is a tad more troublesome in my opinion.
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As house matriarch, Mnemon keeps herself intimately involved with her descendants' personal lives. Every member of the house receives her wisdom, scolding, comfort, or scorn. Mnemon is the beating heart of her family, and to go against her guarantees retribution. Her scions are a clannish lot by design, and they're the pillar on which her power rests. There are nights where she won't sleep in order to fuss over a great-great-grandchild's marriage, or counsel a child who's nervous about studying at the Heptagram or entering the Immaculate Order. While it's rare for anyone outside of the house to interact with her as anything other than a general or sorcerer, those in House Mnemon know her to be exacting but generous toward her kin, with an acerbic sense of humor and a bone deep devotion to Dynastic duty.
Source: Dragon-Blooded: What Fire Has Wrought pg.351
 
Short minutes later, she spies her mother in the midst of making the journey to the cramped little room that the palace has given her to work out of, her arms full of papers and ledgers passed to her from the palace scribes. Grace feels a pang in her stomach at the sight of her — Lohna does not seem well. Not even fifty yet, she is showing the signs of aging before her time, the hardships of her life catching up to her rapidly in the past few years.

There's one other obvious change that has occurred in the past few years that could explain that, and Grace hates the thought of it.

It's times like these that remind me that the phrase "There is always an ending" can just be a nicer way of saying "Remember you will die".

It feels like there is only tragedy in the future for Lohna.

Quietly, she catches up with Lohna, walking alongside her in the shadow of a high wall. "Those look very heavy," she says in Low Realm.

Lohna looks up at her with surprise, but no recognition. "I do very well, miss," she says, recognising that she is speaking to some manner of free servant.

Grace smiles at her. "I have an hour or two free, and I could use the company. Let me help you." To Grace's bittersweet relief, she can see Lohna respond to her presence as Ambraea had before, clearly set at ease by her even without knowing why.

Despite her better judgment, Lohna relents, making to shift over half of her stack of papers. She gives a slight sigh as Grace simply takes the entire stack from her arms. "Well, there are worse traits than minding one's elders, I suppose," Lohna says, giving up and simply leading the way. She looks at Grace sidelong. "Forgive me for asking," she says, dropping tentatively into her native Seatongue dialect, "but are you from the Cowries? You have the look."

"My mother is," Grace says, replying in the same language, albeit more awkwardly, "I was born here."

"Ah, well, a common story in the Realm," Lohna says, her tone a little wistful. "There aren't so many of us on this side of the Isle. My room is just up ahead." Sure enough, the little door that led to Lohna's workspace is up ahead, almost hidden at the corner between one wall and the other.

"It will be good to get out of the sun for a moment," Grace says, seeing it.

"It's kind of you to be so helpful, miss," Lohna says, holding the door open for Grace. "I'm sorry, I feel like you must have told me — what did you say your name was, again?"

Grace enters the small office ahead of her, carefully setting the stack of documents down on the open space on Lohna's tiny desk. The office is the same as she remembers it, tiny, efficiently-utilised, uncomfortably warm. She ignores the small twist of pain that accompanies the question, smiles, and — because sometimes she's cruel to herself — answers with: "Demure Peony."

"A pretty name," Lohna says. "I've always liked peonies."

"My mother wanted to give me a Realm style name, and expected me to go into service," Grace explains, "she thought it was appropriate for a handmaiden." And, because she very desperately wants to do something to keep her hands busy, she begins to sort the documents for her mother.

"Oh, wait, I have a sys—" Lohna stops in the middle of lunging for Grace's arm as she begins to separate the papers out into the appropriate piles on Lohna's desk. She frowns. "Oh, well, I see you've figured it out."

It hadn't been particularly hard — Grace had parsed out the gist of it in a moment, and Fate is kind enough to guide her hands for the rest. "You look tired," Grace says. "Sit down, catch your breath. I have quite a bit of experience with sorting paperwork."

Lohna hesitates for a moment, but Grace's voice is soothing, persuasive, insidiously familiar in a way that continues to be hard to place. Lohna finds herself settling down into her chair. "My age has been catching up to me," Lohna admits. Then, the words passing from her lips almost unnoticed: "Thank you, my Flower. I've missed you."

Grace feels the paperwork slip out of her hands, scattering palace expense reports all over the spotless floor. She stares at Lohna, hot tears prickling at the corners of her eyes, not yet willing to believe that she really heard what she'd just heard.

Lohna looks back at her, first confusion, then shock coming over her face, and she presses her hands to her mouth. "Peony?" she whispers, with the recognition Grace has so desperately wanted to hear in someone — anyone's — voice these past three years. "Peony. What's going on? Why didn't I know you?"

Singular Grace, Chosen of Venus, weaver of destinies, slayer of Anathema, and personal student of one of the most powerful figures of heaven, feels her legs wobble beneath her, and she can't stop the tears from coming. "Mama," she manages, unable to articulate anything more than that. Then, as though she were a child with a skinned knee, she throws herself down onto the floor, flings her arms around Lohna's waist, and begins to sob, harsh and uncontained.

Lohna Prince's Scribe, confused and frightened as she is, still understands what her duty is in this moment. She wraps her arms around her daughter, cradling Grace's head against her body, and holds her tightly while Grace finally lets it all out.

10/10, surprised me and made my heart ache a bit.

Mnemon is silent for a further moment, still looking down at the map. When she speaks again, the levity is gone. "The Realm seems strong, when viewed from a distance. United, unimpeachable. But in truth, it's more fragile than any care to admit. The houses vie against one another like starving dogs wrestling for scraps. The Thousand Scales are barely restrained from open corruption if not constantly kept in check. And always, enemies without and within bide their time and strike when the opportunity presents. The Immaculate Order can only do so much on their own. The Realm must be held together, body and soul, by an iron will."

Before you can think of a way to answer that, Mnemon waves a hand toward the table. "Please, sit."

I had hopes for a villain speech, and I'm not disappointed.

But there's a challenge in her voice as much as there's genuine frustration. You draw yourself up, force your voice to be firm, but not disrespectful. "I find myself very grateful," you say, carefully finding your way through the sentiment, "that I have been allowed to live my life in a peaceful time, that I have been afforded the protection necessary to grow and come into my power without being menaced by the powerful. It is hard to appreciate that kind of safety before it's gone, I think. I still will not apologise for the circumstances of my youth."

"Nor should you, I suppose," Mnemon says. She seems to have recovered enough from the flare of temper for her voice to carry a note of approval. "You have some backbone. Good. I can make use of spinelessness, but I do not respect it in a woman. Now, as you said, I am a very busy woman — shall I make my offer to you explicit?"

"Please," you say, remembering to take a sip of the tea. It's extremely pleasant, and the temperature is perfect.

If Mnemon is the kind of micromanager I have in my head, she had Rulinsei here to help subtlely push Ambraea into accepting 'Mnemon's help'. Instead Mnemon is 'making an offer' to Ambraea.

The difference seems small, but it tells me that Mnemon came into this thinking Ambraea would've been more easily pliable. Loved that whole interaction.

Grace's tears have long since dried, but they've left her feeling profoundly spent. The emotions she's only sporadically let herself feel in full over the past several years have all poured out of Grace at once, and she's almost numb in the wake of it.

Grace now sits on a chair directly across from Lohna, her mother holding Grace's hand in both of hers in case Grace simply disappears on her again. Lohna's expression as she stares at Grace, at her strange eyes and altered bearing, is not disbelieving so much as overwhelmed. Lohna attempts to keep the facts she's just been told straight in her head. "You're really Exalted?" Lohna has lived in the shadow of Dragon-Blooded for decades, and is an educated woman besides, whatever her current station. She knows what the word means, even if the form of it that Grace is trying to explain is strange and unfamiliar.

"Yes," Grace says. With the slightest effort, her Caste Mark flares on her brow, lighting the dim room in gentle blue.

Tentatively, Lohna reaches out to touch her daughter's forehead, finding the mark entirely cool to the touch. Wonderment and confusion seem to war behind her eyes.

"You recognise Venus's symbol," Grace says.

"I do," says Lohna, taking her hand away slowly. "Chosen by the goddess of love..." she looks into Grace's eyes again, seeming to see past the unfamiliar colour and the glittering stars, recognising something less than happy there. "Aren't you lonely, though, Flower?"

"I have been," Grace admits. "And still, sometimes. But I have friends in heaven now. People who care about me. We're all good about looking out for each other." To a fault, at times, despite factional bickering and routine manipulations. Her mother doesn't need the messy details. "It was very hard, at first. Everyone forgot me at once. Lady Ambraea just... looked right through me, like I was another strange servant."

"I always hoped she'd look after you," Lohna says, horrified. The hand that still holds Grace's squeezes tighter. "I thought she would."

"It wasn't her fault," Grace says. "Dragon-Blooded aren't all-powerful, whatever they like to think. It wasn't because she didn't care."

"I know they aren't," Lohna says, sighing. It's a dangerous sentiment for her to express if she said it the wrong way, to the wrong person. "It really was like you said — she wanted to take me away from the palace, give me a retirement. She can't do that anymore, though, with Her Excellency gone."

Grace feels a touch of fear for her mother's safety, thinking again about her status as a slave belonging to a vanished Empress, in a Realm that may yet fall to war. If Ambraea can't help Lohna, then who else does she have but Grace herself? Dropping her voice to a whisper, Grace asks: "If I could get you away from here, take you somewhere safe, would you go? I could take you back to the Neck, or anywhere. I could... I could free you."

Lohna freezes up, a fearful look coming into her eyes. She glances around, as if making sure that no one had heard that. "I... I've seen what happens to slaves that run," she says, voice very quiet.

"Do you think I'd let that happen? That I'd let anyone hurt you?" Grace asks.

Lohna slowly makes herself relax, although it's clearly difficult. "No," she says, "not if you could make it otherwise. But please understand, I haven't seen my homeland in well over two decades. It's part of a satrapy now, the 'Lesser Cowries', governed out of Amphiro. When I saw it last, it was burning. I don't know how many of my family survived that invasion, if any of them did. There's no home left for me there."

"But I can't just leave you alone here," Grace says.

"Won't you be able to come see me, sometimes?" Lohna asks, hopeful in a way that breaks Grace's heart. "It won't be so bad that way." As Grace averts her eyes, Lohna frowns. "What's wrong?"

Grace takes a deep breath, and tells her, her voice very small. "When I leave, you will forget about me again. Just like before."

"No!" Grace is startled by the forcefulness of the denial. Lohna lets go of her hand, and pulls Grace into a tight, desperate hug. "No, please don't say that."

"I can't—" Grace's voice comes out thick, choked up. "It will be easier in a way, won't it? You can't mourn what you don't know you've lost."

"Flower," Lohna says, "Flower, I have been heartbroken for the past three years, never knowing why. It was all worth it, everything that happened to me, knowing that you could have a good life. Without you, what was any of it for?"

"I'm sorry," Grace says. "I didn't do this on purpose."

Lohna continues to hold her tight for a silent minute. Then she says, as if she can barely bring herself to think it: "Do you swear that if I go with you, we won't be caught? Please remember, whether or not she's here you will be robbing the Empress." The fear of being caught and punished is still there, but Lohna has just been presented with something she's even more afraid of.

"I swear," Grace says, meaning it as much as any promise she's made in her life. "Where do you want to go, if not to the Neck?"

Lohna only hesitates briefly. "Can't I stay with you?" she asks. "Is that allowed?"

"I... " Grace falters. Gods keep mortals in heaven, after all — as consorts or servants or curiosities. Legally, she should be able to bring her mother there. Grace hadn't considered the possibility of actually bringing her mother home with her before now, but if it's really what Lohna wants...

"Yes," Grace says. "I have a very large house in heaven, inherited from my predecessor. There would be room." Specifically, it's a Celestial manse passed down to her by her previous incarnation, a structure of such opulence that Grace doesn't know what to do with it most days. "I should say," Grace says, "you wouldn't be a slave there. But most humans do not have very much legal status in heaven, you would be reliant on me. And you would still forget me. We can't prevent that."

"But I would remember you again sometimes?" Lohna says, releasing Grace enough to be able to look her in the eye again. "I did it once, I can do it again."

"Maybe," Grace says, not wanting to give herself false hope. "It can get... easier over time." Arcane Fate is supposedly easier to overcome with sufficient knowledge of it, and of Sidereals in general. But especially for a mortal, it was never going to be kind enough to relent entirely for any being bound to fate.

"As long as I don't have to lose you again," Lohna says. "Please believe that I love you even when I don't know your face."

"I do, mama," Grace says. Her feelings are a heady mixture of elation and anxiety and dread, but it seems that they're committed now. "We'll make it work."

Lohna nods. "I... would like to give Lady Ambraea an explanation before we go. If we can."

Grace very nearly balks at that — it adds a further element of risk to what can currently only very generously be described as a plan. All the same, she finds herself nodding. Dynast or not, Grace does believe that Ambraea loves Lohna, in her way. And Grace has enough care for her that she doesn't want to be responsible for Ambraea losing the woman who raised her without so much as a word.

Lohna gives a sigh, looking around at her surroundings as though the thought of leaving them is still strange to her. "I raised you both. I gave her all the care I could, and tried to make her into a good woman, despite a thousand things in her life that might make her otherwise. I'm proud of her, most of the time. But you are my daughter, first and always, and you need me more than she does."

"Thank you," Grace says. This will have to work — she can't let herself think otherwise.

...I can't shake this feeling of impending doom...

You exit the Pagoda first, to find Garnet in conversation with one of the Mnemon guards you'd talked to before. At the sight of you, both the soldier and the servant take a hasty step back from each other. Garnet, still carrying the parasol, bows to you. "My lady. I hope your talk was productive."

This is inconsequential, but the little things always fascinate me; what was Garnet and the guard talking about @Gazetteer?

"It was," you say. You hope. You walk the rest of the way down the stairs, and continue on your way. There's still a great deal of daylight left, but clouds have passed over the sun, lessening the glare. "Regardless, though, we should—"

You stop short in the middle of the walking path, eyes fixed on the tiny, winged figure hovering in front of you. An Infallible Messenger. "What is it?" you ask the sprite. Behind you, Garnet has stopped short at the same time you have. She watches the sorcerous construct warily.

The Messenger flips around once in the air, and begins to say, in a very familiar voice that only you can hear: "Ambraea. I know I already sent you a message through more conventional means, and I understand why you prioritised a different engagement ahead of mine. But I must speak to you now, very pressingly, I find. For my peace of mind, if nothing else. I can see you, please nod if you agree." Feeling a little uneasy and strangely guilty, you nod. "Good," L'nessa says. "If you could meet me in one hour's time, I will be—"

I'm guessing L'nessa (and potentially V'neef) didn't expect Mnemon to act so quickly. This was an Incarne-tier update (because god-tier ain't enough)

[X] Jinmei Tower

The tower, because the pagoda was a relatively public area. Why not increase as much exposure to how much Ambraea's getting approached by high profile movers and shakers? That's one way of getting more options.
 
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If Mnemon is the kind of micromanager I have in my head, she had Rulinsei here to help subtlely push Ambraea into accepting 'Mnemon's help'. Instead Mnemon is 'making an offer' to Ambraea.

The difference seems small, but it tells me that Mnemon came into this thinking Ambraea would've been more easily pliable. Loved that whole interaction.
Ambraea has inadvertently cultivated a reputation for rashness and sentimentality, as a result of her hasty hearth oaths with dear friends turned lovers and doing things like revealing the first oaths existence to give Maia an Alibi. To the realm in general Ambraea is expected to be more off balance and desperate for protection than she is. More uncertain of her worth and safety in the absence of her mother's protection. That and the idea that, whatever else fails, Ambraea is the grand daughter of a foreign empress and can start over and ride to impressive heights outside the realm is unthinkable to in their right minds dynasts leaves them unprepared for her.
The tower, because the pagoda was a relatively public area. Why not increase as much exposure to how much Ambraea's getting approached by high profile movers and shakers? That's one way of getting more options.
That and this gives L'nessa the chance to drag along several children of V'neef allies to give Ambraea an Idea of which house's V'neef is courting strongest.

@Gazetteer could you show us an article on Ledaal Shigora?
 
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I have to ask, what was our reward for killing that one anathema? I feel like it has been forgotten in the shuffle. I mean I understand if our pot of gold has got stuck on the delibrate but not even Immaculate Order has made any offers like teaching us martial arts or letting us visit theri more restricted libraries.

Surely there is supposed to be a reward?

By comparison, Ambraea is being offered adoption into the household of a Great House matriarch and a 400 year old master sorcerer, not a sibling a bit more than a decade older than she is. This is a much more valuable proposition than what Rulinsei got, realistically.
Out of curiositiy, what would be missing from this offer if we had not been part of the team that killed 3 anathema with Ambrea killing one herself?
 
Righteous deeds are their own reward. The Realm is not a RPG.

If you want to gamify it, it's +Rep with the Order and house Ledaal, as well as general realm reputation. Remember we're getting a meeting with Ledaal out of it? But also, not everything is rewarded by everyone.
I expect Immaculate Order to offer something like aforementioned offers to open libraries and tutors for martial arts etc.

Edit: Especially since this happend on the Blessed Isle. IT would make some sense if it was in the threshold and got ignored but it is a bit of emergency when it happens on the Isle itself.
 
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A good reputation with the Immaculate Order means that they're more likely to do things for you when you ask, are more likely to show leniency with you when it's reasonable etc. Depending on which monk in particular you're dealing with. Particularly if Ambraea continues to serve as a shikari at need and is not a careless or dangerous in her spirit summoning. They don't have a formal rewards program.

Out of curiositiy, what would be missing from this offer if we had not been part of the team that killed 3 anathema with Ambrea killing one herself?
She might have made a similar offer, but with more condescension or less regard for Ambraea's abilities. Might have been considerably more take it or leave it than she was here, expecting that there would be even fewer and worse alternatives for Ambraea to consider.

Mnemon genuinely respects Ambraea's accomplishments for her age and thinks she's someone that she can mould positively, so she sat down with her here and made a pretense of talking to her as an adult in a way that preserved Ambraea's dignity. Even if she's still being like "kid, you're in over your head, here's how it's going to be" over tea, Ambraea is still publicly seen to go have a private meeting with a Great House Matriarch.
 
Who is this referring to?

Also, @Gazetteer, how do you pronounce Mnemon?
That sentence is referring to Berit, one of Ambraea's older half sisters who is a famous war hero, won many great victories, and was continuously not given a Great House by the Empress. Eventually she and the Empress started fighting over it to the point of shouting matches, and Berit went into self enforced exile in a rural part of the Blessed Isle. "Disgraced" is perhaps overstating things on Ambraea's part.

I pronounce Mnemon like mnemonic but without the ic.
 
[X] The Hall of Triumphal Glory

Let's enjoy some privacy for what's probably going to be a tense discussion.

I'm leaning team Mnemon at the moment. Can't add much more that I feel hasn't been said better by others, but Mnemon is powerful and definitely not someone I want as an enemy giving us a fair deal, all things considered. I think we should side with her, start pushing more inroads with Sesus through Amiti and our Wyld Hunt accomplishments, and hope we never have to face L'nessa after war breaks out.
 
They don't have a formal rewards program.
if we do end up aligning with a future empress we'll need to convince them and the immaculate order of the merits of a golden sticker system :V
That sentence is referring to Berit, one of Ambraea's older half sisters who is a famous war hero, won many great victories, and was continuously not given a Great House by the Empress. Eventually she and the Empress started fighting over it to the point of shouting matches, and Berit went into self enforced exile in a rural part of the Blessed Isle. "Disgraced" is perhaps overstating things on Ambraea's part.

I pronounce Mnemon like mnemonic but without the ic.
hmm. I'm guessing attempting to draw Berit back into the realm so it's more prepared for the coming apocalypses someone mentioned order would be one of the moves of a sensible Matriarch.
[X] The Hall of Triumphal Glory

Let's enjoy some privacy for what's probably going to be a tense discussion.

I'm leaning team Mnemon at the moment. Can't add much more that I feel hasn't been said better by others, but Mnemon is powerful and definitely not someone I want as an enemy giving us a fair deal, all things considered. I think we should side with her, start pushing more inroads with Sesus through Amiti and our Wyld Hunt accomplishments, and hope we never have to face L'nessa after war breaks out.
I'm pretty sure Mnemon disapproves of Sesus for their very Ragara like approach to situations and general lack of respect for the immaculate texts, and somewhat disapproves of Necromancers for the same reasons. I'd expect Micromanager mommy Mnemon to have concerns about Ambraea being influenced by Amiti because of Mnemon's emphasized piety even though she isn't very Sesus.

for now we should keep our minds open. obviously Mnemon's offer looks best in a vacuum of informations on our alternatives, but we should learn what those people and houses we have been working towards being involved with on our own look. Nazat emphasized caution and we should follow his advice.
 
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Scheduled vote count started by Gazetteer on Oct 27, 2024 at 9:11 AM, finished with 79 posts and 31 votes.
 
Thinking on House Iselsi -and cheking wikipages- Scarlet Empress seem to have been grooming them for a redemption arc complete with faked deaths to hide their numbers.

That is going to be a big problem for whoever wins the civil war since they don't know that and would get blindsided.

Honestly Iselsi should think long andh hard about pulling a Prasad and settling down somewhere else. That way they can disentagle themselves from the realm and find somewhere else where they can prosper. Just keep the name out and send some small amount of tribute to keep Realm away from you. Even if people know that some Iselsi survivors are in said kingdom as long as there is plasuable deniablity involved Realm will always have other more pressing things to do.

But I am not sure if Iselsi would want that. In this story they seem to be very toxic view on the Realm and seem to seeking revenge which is a pity.
 
hmm. I'm guessing attempting to draw Berit back into the realm so it's more prepared for the coming apocalypses someone mentioned order would be one of the moves of a sensible Matriarch.
The problem is that Berit wants one thing in particular and no one outside of the Empress can offer it. You could offer her a Great House after you win but that leaves her having to support the candidate till the very end without much in return other than hope that they will reward her at the end after they have what they want. Presumably future Great Houses would be created from the major households of the victorious house/houses. Whether a Great House headed by Berit is even close enough to what she wants to suffice is another concern.

Honestly Iselsi should think long andh hard about pulling a Prasad and settling down somewhere else. That way they can disentagle themselves from the realm and find somewhere else where they can prosper. Just keep the name out and send some small amount of tribute to keep Realm away from you. Even if people know that some Iselsi survivors are in said kingdom as long as there is plasuable deniablity involved Realm will always have other more pressing things to do.

But I am not sure if Iselsi would want that. In this story they seem to be very toxic view on the Realm and seem to seeking revenge which is a pity.
The difficulty is that Prasad's divide doesn't seem to have involved an attempted assasination of the Empress whereas Iselsi did try. The Iselsi also don't seem likely to accept "live elsewhere" as a viable option as compared to "kill the other Great Houses no matter what it costs". The fact that it may appear subordinate to the people they hate is another matter especially because Ambraea as Empress is non-viable.
 
Honestly I'd vote for taking the Mnemon deal cause drama and I just really like Mnemon. Seems like she could have a really fun dynamic with Ambraea.
 
Honestly I'd vote for taking the Mnemon deal cause drama and I just really like Mnemon. Seems like she could have a really fun dynamic with Ambraea.
I would be willing to take Mnemon deal just so we can join the leigon she sends to help out Ledaal in a year or two. I think it would be both fun and might be profitable to make connections with another great house.
 
The main reasons against joining Mnemon, as I see it, are A. Having our development shaped by her to her interests (which may be not where people want to take Ambraea's character) and B. Having to back Mnemon in the possible Realm Civil War, no matter her position.

As we saw last update, Mnemon sees the throne as hers. She will not accept another claimant to become Empress, no matter the position of the other Great Houses. Now, she might be the best candidate for the Realm, but if the Great Houses agree on another candidate over her, then she will raise hell - and we will have to join her. This is a risk for all the Great Houses to some extent, but Mnemon is the claimant least likely to compromise and most likely to fight till the end - and us with her. This is all if she fails, of course. But feelings about her are strong in the Realm, in both ways.
 
A big thing to consider when joining Mnemon is that she will almost certainly be on the opposite side of the civil war as V'neef. If we join Mnemon and a civil war breaks out then we will be fighting against L'nessa.

Even if it doesn't come to that, it will probably ruin our friendship. We can't just formally ally with her house's greatest rival and expect to still be friends.

I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this. This was one of the first things Ambraea thought of when Mnemon made her offer.
 
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Yeah. In the abstract I think allying with Mnemon would be really interesting (and I like arguing against simplistic cartoon villain readings of Mnemon), but in reality I lean strongly to V'neef because of the friendship. Which will make the exact nature of V'neef's offers interesting; it could be a pitch that really makes that worth it, or it could be so rough that it turns out friendships turn out tragic sometimes, or somewhere in between.
 
I'm waiting on the rest of Ambraea's offers before forming an opinion, personally. It'll be hard to really judge Mnemon without direct comparisons - what we have now about V'neef and Sesus is speculation and I'm not sure if we have even that for whatever Ledaal Shigora wants to talk about.
 
I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this. This was one of the first things Ambraea thought of when Mnemon made her offer.
I quoted it and pointed it out earlier but no one bit. In my opinion people are getting caught up in how it's a very good deal compared to the only other option listed thus far(Prasad) and Mnemon being an interesting character and missing some of the nuance. Mnemon is a true believer in the Immaculate order and it texts. that is going to cause some friction between them when it comes to spirits and a Necromancer like Amiti.

I've also just discovered a Wiki that says Mnemon is aware of house Iselsi, particularly their infiltration of the immaculate order, and that rooting them out would be one of her primary objectives. now based on her reaction to Maia that might not be the case yet, but if this is third edition accurate, as the wiki claimed, It's indicative of her potential response to their house. For all Maia's problems with house Iselsi she does love her family, even if she is happier by Ambraea's side.

I'm not saying we should dismiss Mnemon. I'm saying Mnemon is only one of four people interested in meeting with Ambraea. people should not just casually decide that we should accept Mnemon's offer before having even heard the others, especially when we have been cultivating ties with two of them for most of the quest.

I'm waiting on the rest of Ambraea's offers before forming an opinion, personally. It'll be hard to really judge Mnemon without direct comparisons - what we have now about V'neef and Sesus is speculation and I'm not sure if we have even that for whatever Ledaal Shigora wants to talk about.
probably joining her families legion and fighting the good fight.
 
but Mnemon is the claimant least likely to compromise and most likely to fight till the end
There are at least two other candiates who is even more unreasonable than her. They are just focused on stopping her from getting the throne rather than pushing for themselves.

Problem here lies with the fact that if Mnemon wins the Throne civil war is likely end even if there is some damage she has both personal and miilitary might to keep a strong center. If somebody else were to get it we might have to go for a round 2 or hell maybe even round 3 before things calm down. On the account of the fact that only thing that is unting opposition against her is their hatret of her.

And considering the first one that has to be defetead is Mnemon who will fight to bitter end there might not be a Realm after all that.

Even if it doesn't come to that, it will probably ruin our friendship. We can't just formally ally with her house's greatest rival and expect to still be friends.

I think picking our friends over everything else is in character. But I am not sure if it is the right call? Are we willing to fight against Mnemon if it turns out she is the best hope for the Realm stay together? We know that other houses are ready to fight eachother as well so a stong person on the throne to stop it might be necessery. V'neef completely lacks such strengh both personally and her house. She would have to rely on a coalition and I am sure we all know how long those last without an unifing figure.

Love it, hate it, Mnemon is capable of keeping realm together. Legions would follow her as would breaucracy. And I have no seen anything that says she would be a bad leader. At least I don't think V'neef is her better.

particularly their infiltration of the immaculate order, and that rooting them out would be one of her primary objectives. now based on her reaction to Maia that might not be the case yet, but if this is third edition accurate, as the wiki claimed, It's indicative of her potential response to their house.

Do you think she shouldn't? Iselsi has made no bone about the fact that they plan to destroy every great house, they are literally a death cult. At least Maia's branch is. Elders were seeking redemption and was working with Scarlet Empress for it. But with that gone I don't think it will be that long before rest of the house start lashing out to Realm at large. Everybody is going to have to content with them at some point.
 
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