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The King is Dead, An Heir Is Born: Crusader Kings 3

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Oh, by the way, question. Can you load a save if you've added a Mod, or are you forced to restart a new game if you don't want it to be screwy? I just found a Mod that apparently puts High Partition Succession law under Royal Prerogative. So it's still not something you'll necessarily have at the start in 1066, but it's at least not a century off, or at least too far away...

andrewopk said:
Partition is early medieval; you can get it by ~930 if you focus (I think most of Western Europe starts as partition in 1066?) and highpart is high med; you can get it by ~1090-1100 if you focus
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Nope, I started as Confederate Partition in 1066 despite being, y'know, Italian. Not a people known for equally dividing patrimonies, as far as I can tell.
 
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The Laurent said:
Oh, by the way, question. Can you load a save if you've added a Mod, or are you forced to restart a new game if you don't want it to be screwy? I just found a Mod that apparently puts High Partition Succession law under Royal Prerogative. So it's still not something you'll necessarily have at the start in 1066, but it's at least not a century off, or at least too far away...



Nope, I started as Confederate Partition in 1066 despite being, y'know, Italian. Not a people known for equally dividing patrimonies, as far as I can tell.
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Mods usually break saves, wold not recommend
Not even the tech? Well, at least canossa starts as cultural head, so you can rush it no problem if you need...
 
andrewopk said:
Mods usually break saves, wold not recommend
Not even the tech? Well, at least canossa starts as cultural head, so you can rush it no problem if you need...
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I mean, for whatever reason Matilda of Tuscany has a completely terrible Learning. Like, it kinda baffles me how bad her Learning is. So I was trying to learn, uh, the thing that would give me regular Partition, and it would take forty-something years, enough to take her from 20 to 60. :p

And it wouldn't be enough to unlock High Middle Ages, I think, and even if so, I wouldn't have time to, y'know, do it.

So yeah it absolutely fucking sucks and High Partition should be earlier on the roster.
 
The Laurent said:
I mean, for whatever reason Matilda of Tuscany has a completely terrible Learning. Like, it kinda baffles me how bad her Learning is. So I was trying to learn, uh, the thing that would give me regular Partition, and it would take forty-something years, enough to take her from 20 to 60. :p

And it wouldn't be enough to unlock High Middle Ages, I think, and even if so, I wouldn't have time to, y'know, do it.

So yeah it absolutely fucking sucks and High Partition should be earlier on the roster.
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One of the opening perks of the learning tree is a flat bonus to fascination chance, which should shorten the time you need by a lot.

Honestly I think partition is a fine law; I don't think highpart is that much better, since you should have claims on most of what you lose, and manually regularizing succession (if you're willing to eat the tyranny or renown hits) makes them about the same anyways (Learning also has a perk that'll notify you a year before you die of natural causes, in the middle column of the first tree, so you imprison+take the vows right before you die, you can just rely on dread to terrify your vassals, or you can pay renown to disinherit unwanted spares)
 
andrewopk said:
One of the opening perks of the learning tree is a flat bonus to fascination chance, which should shorten the time you need by a lot.

Honestly I think partition is a fine law; I don't think highpart is that much better, since you should have claims on most of what you lose, and manually regularizing succession (if you're willing to eat the tyranny or renown hits) makes them about the same anyways (Learning also has a perk that'll notify you a year before you die of natural causes, in the middle column of the first tree, so you imprison+take the vows right before you die, you can just rely on dread to terrify your vassals, or you can pay renown to disinherit unwanted spares)
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I mean, I feel like that's just not the way I want to play? Maybe at some point I'll have to shank family members, but ATM I'd rather just focus on the dynasty.
 
andrewopk said:
I don't think highpart is that much better, since you should have claims on most of what you lose
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Partition is at its most awkward when you only have one top-tier title (e.g. a monoking with no extra-dejure holdings), and end up with a royal domain consisting of... your capital, and no claims on your siblings because they're your vassals, and your siblings have whole duchies and hate you because they have claims on your titles.

On the up side, as primary heir you inherit the treasury and all the MaA regiments.
 
The Laurent said:
Also, Primogeiture being so locked behind things is kinda baffling. It doesn't really feel particularly historical, but maybe I'm missing something?
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It is very much historical, at least in some regions? the transition away from gavelkind was pretty hard because it was a deeply rooted concept in lower level inheritance, and it pissed off a lot of your kids to not do it.

German principalities kept dividing themselves for a very long time within the game time frame for example.

It was mostly a Frankish/Germanic thing though, you're right on that front. The Rurikids would be a good example of OTL confederate partition. They were norse descended rulers in Russia, and absolutely destroyed themselves by exploding into a bunch of independent successor states. But by 1066 the top titles usually stayed united and it was mostly a vassal and domain thing.
 
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grommile said:
Partition is at its most awkward when you only have one top-tier title (e.g. a monoking with no extra-dejure holdings), and end up with a royal domain consisting of... your capital, and no claims on your siblings because they're your vassals, and your siblings have whole duchies and hate you because they have claims on your titles.

On the up side, as primary heir you inherit the treasury and all the MaA regiments.
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Don't you get claims on their land? Just revoke the titles and pay mercs to smash them if they revoke
 
andrewopk said:
Don't you get claims on their land? Just revoke the titles and pay mercs to smash them if they revoke
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That is the thing with partition, you only do get claims on the top level titles if you go with confed partition and I think even then only for those of the same rank as you (aka if the realm splinters), on normal partition you get nada (while all other heirs get all the claims which is certainly something...).
 
Fun fact, while the Byzantine Empire has built in Primogenitor, the Roman Empire does not.
 
andrewopk said:
Don't you get claims on their land? Just revoke the titles and pay mercs to smash them if they revoke
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You don't get claims on siblings who end up as your vassals, only on siblings who end up as your equals.

It would be far too easy to reconsolidate your domain if you got claims on your vassal siblings' titles.
 
The Laurent said:
Oh, by the way, question. Can you load a save if you've added a Mod, or are you forced to restart a new game if you don't want it to be screwy? I just found a Mod that apparently puts High Partition Succession law under Royal Prerogative. So it's still not something you'll necessarily have at the start in 1066, but it's at least not a century off, or at least too far away...



Nope, I started as Confederate Partition in 1066 despite being, y'know, Italian. Not a people known for equally dividing patrimonies, as far as I can tell.
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This is the main historic issue is that equal divison of lands was rare, but there's not really a way for a game to model all the ways medieval rulers managed their successions, and some of the ways get locked behind tech and laws. Like, heir designation was a rather common thing in the early medieval period, but is locked away til much later when you can enact high crown authority.

Though the game will, when handing out confederate titles, actually not take provinces from your capital if a kid is getting a kindom or duchy of their own.

Also, I don't like how they do seniority, which should be more about uncles and brothers than random kinsmen living in the middle of the tundra who just so happens to be like 80.
 
stratigo said:
This is the main historic issue is that equal divison of lands was rare, but there's not really a way for a game to model all the ways medieval rulers managed their successions, and some of the ways get locked behind tech and laws. Like, heir designation was a rather common thing in the early medieval period, but is locked away til much later when you can enact high crown authority.

Though the game will, when handing out confederate titles, actually not take provinces from your capital if a kid is getting a kindom or duchy of their own.

Also, I don't like how they do seniority, which should be more about uncles and brothers than random kinsmen living in the middle of the tundra who just so happens to be like 80.
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Heir designation with partition should be easier to access yeah.

And yeah seniority is impaired by the lack of detail about what's main branch and what should really have been split off by now. There should probably be a restriction there.
 
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Like, heir designation was a rather common thing in the early medieval period, but is locked away til much later when you can enact high crown authority.
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Yeah, I am somewhat grouchy about the persistent issue (ever since CK2, and conceivably CK1) of Robert Curthose being Billy the Bastard's immediate successor in k_england (when it should be William Rufus).
 
Got screwed on my 'Perfect Circle' achievement because apparently I've got a disputed heritage in there somewhere.
Guess I'm going to need a couple more generations of incest (thankfully Genius and Herculean compensate the Inbred malus)

At least I found a quick way to play as my grandson (just fail to revoke a title, surrender and get deposed)

Edit: does anyone know how the whole vassal limit works? I've gone over it, granted a vassal a kingdom and some dukes in it, yet the amount of vassals didn't go down.

Edit Edit: Oh, it just seems to have a couple of months of delay.
 
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So they really got to patch in distance when it comes to affairs. My king was seduced by his aunt, who lives in Italy while ruling Spain. And then he fell in love with his other aunt, who lives in Scotland. The logic of how this happened escapes me, especially when one of them got knocked up.
 
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Decided on taking another stab at the Canossa achievement, and tested how realistic it was to rush (high) partition.
Managed to get to partition by ~1080 via a lucky exposure, and to high med at 1096, which is realistically too late to get a new tech.

Speccing a bit into Learning should smooth out the variance from the exposure, and might be enough to pick up heraldry before you dies, especially if you stick around for Healthy/Whole of body for the extra health to live longer (though this might be too wasteful of your +dip lifestyle xp bonus, those perks are p deep in)

Oh, and I want to shill the idea of changing your feudal contract day 1 for +tax, march, and one of the extra bonuses, as becoming a March means you pay 50% less taxes, which basically cancels out the tax hike (also you get a big chunk of mil bonuses)

(guaranteed council is great but not super needed, you should be a powerful vassal anyways; sanctioned wardec shouldn't be needed until the liege gets to high CA (you can fix this via factions); title revocation is w/e unless you're playing really weird?; I went for coinage to push for a early university in Siena)
 
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