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I can't remember if I've ever asked this, but nowadays I doubt Germany can actually win WW2 in Kaiserreich lore, assuming of course Russia gets involved. Maybe I'm wrong and realistically it would look like
 
With the Celestial Resistance's flag and Crescent Glow's portrait, the devs are going all out with the South East being pony Vietnam War.
 
Knew Secret Weapons were coming. Looking forward to seeing how they might make rockets at least partially useful.
 
Dev Diary about Special Projects:

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Developer Diary | Special Projects

Hi, I am Thomas, the Design Manager and Design Lead on the Hearts of Iron Expansion Team. Today I am here together with Manuel, also known as Mano de Zombi. to introduce one of the new features of the upcoming Götterdämmerung expansion...
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The four Experimental Facilities are:
  • Advanced Physics Facility (mainly nuclear related projects)
  • Naval Engineering Facility (Naval, both Surface and Submarine projects)
  • Aerodynamics and Avionics Facility (Air and Rocket projects)
  • Land Warfare Facility (mainly Tank and Artillery related projects)
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You need an Experimental Facility to start a Special Project. However, you can't start a project just because you have built a facility. In order to start a project you must first have at least one Scientific Breakthrough in the current field/specialization.
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Breakthroughs are earned in two ways. The fastest and most efficient is by researching related technologies. This will generate progress towards a breakthrough in the field. For example, researching regular aircraft technologies will generate progress towards a breakthrough in the Aerodynamics and Avionics specialization.
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The other, and slightly slower way (at least with a less experienced scientist) to generate Breakthroughs is to have a scientist attached to an Experimental Facility with no active project in it. The Scientist will then do Basic Research in the field, and this will generate progress towards the next breakthrough
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Projects take a long time to complete, and they are done in a number of prototype iterations. At the end of each iteration, progress is generated to the project.
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Sometimes other things can happen as well. Work with the project can for example give a research bonus in a related technology, or army xp, or similar things, depending on the outcome of the iteration phase. If you are unlucky, some powerful-yet-dangerous projects could make the facility suffer damage due to an onsite explosion…
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Some iteration outcomes will lead to a choice that can affect the final project output as well. Do we want our rockets to be range focused, or is explosive power the main thing? This gives the project a bit more life of its own, and makes not all end results be the same. But in general, each prototype iteration brings the project closer to completion.
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When project completion reaches 100%, the project finishes, and you get whatever it is you get :) from completing it.

This could be a new piece of equipment that you can produce, a new building you can build, or something else. Usually you also get something more tangible as well. Couple of examples:
The Nuclear Reactor Special Project will not only unlock the Nuclear Reactor Building type for you, but you will also get a Reactor for free in the same state as the Experimental Facility - assuming there is space for it that is.
The Super-Heavy Railway Gun Project will not only unlock the Super-Heavy Railway Gun equipment to be produced, but it will also spawn one on completion.
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Oh, and yes, dams are a thing. I'll talk more about dams in a future Dev Diary…
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There is more in Dev Diary of course.
 
Someone took screenshot of Landship during devs stream:

R5: Image of the base stats of the land cruiser without any modules. Also developers stated that the land cruiser will be exclusive as a support battalion. 1 day completion time is due to devs activating cheats for demonstration purposes.

The developer livestream also showed that the land cruiser will have a -100% amphibious penalty. So don't be expecting to get past any rivers with this thing.

Some modules shown and talked about for the land cruiser during the livestream included:

  • Heavy Naval Guns
  • Super-Heavy Howitzer
  • Super-Heavy Railway Gun
  • Aircraft Catapult
  • Helipad
  • Radar
  • Internal Fuel Tanks
  • Wet Ammunition Storage
  • Smoke Generators
  • Stabilizers
Some of these modules will only be available upon completing certain other special projects.
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Oh yeah, another showing of how horrible a world where the Axis won is: having a Japanese superpower with the ability to go ham on whaling at a horribly unsustainable rate, all to feed the endless corporate greed.
 
ElMariachi said:
Oh yeah, another showing of how horrible a world where the Axis won is: having a Japanese superpower with the ability to go ham on whaling at a horribly unsustainable rate, all to feed the endless corporate greed.
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In all fairness it's not really possible to do worse harm to the whale population than Soviet whaling did IOTL--no matter how intensely Japanese whaling escalates it's still going to be limited by the need to, well, actually use the whales, and it's the lack of this demand signal that caused the Soviet Whale Genocide in our world
 
ChineseDrone said:
In all fairness it's not really possible to do worse harm to the whale population than Soviet whaling did IOTL--no matter how intensely Japanese whaling escalates it's still going to be limited by the need to, well, actually use the whales, and it's the lack of this demand signal that caused the Soviet Whale Genocide in our world
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Implying that Japanese corporations aren't immune to the same sort of number crunching wastefulness is a bold assumption. The current whaling industry actively loses money, but the government still subsidizes it as a point of national pride. You seriously think that Imperial Japan, in a world with no UN or any international agreements about fishing or whaling, won't prop up and promote whaling to the hilt? This is the country that literally murdered a million people a year in Manchuria to feed industrial expansion, and you think they're going to be reasonable about whaling?

Nah, they're fucking whaling in sanctuaries in Canadian and American waters out of spite. They're actively exporting whale meat to Latin America and Southeast Asia just to induce demand. It's going to be included on the list of necessary imports with all trade deals just to keep the industry afloat. You're delusional if you think they're going to be less damaging to the whale population than the Soviet Union was, and I'm aware how bad the Soviet whaling industry was.
 
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Implying that Japanese corporations aren't immune to the same sort of number crunching wastefulness is a bold assumption. The current whaling industry actively loses money, but the government still subsidizes it as a point of national pride. You seriously think that Imperial Japan, in a world with no UN or any international agreements about fishing or whaling, won't prop up and promote whaling to the hilt? This is the country that literally murdered a million people a year in Manchuria to feed industrial expansion, and you think they're going to be reasonable about whaling?

Nah, they're fucking whaling in sanctuaries in Canadian and American waters out of spite. They're actively exporting whale meat to Latin America and Southeast Asia just to induce demand. It's going to be included on the list of necessary imports with all trade deals just to keep the industry afloat. You're delusional if you think they're going to be less damaging to the whale population than the Soviet Union was, and I'm aware how bad the Soviet whaling industry was.
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I... don't think that the Imperial Japanese government, or in fact any government, would be incredibly interested in massively expanding a money-losing industry that provides negligible national benefit for no reason, no? Like, we know how the Japanese government relates to whaling--the whaling industry has political influence over the government, and as a result the government subsidizes it to maintain its existence and employment, but it's not like it's going to go all in on expanding whale catches year over year for no reason when they are not being sold or used for anything, because, and I cannot stress this enough, the whaling industry is in it for the money. The Soviet whaling disaster happened because of reasons incredibly idiosyncratic to the Soviet system, and would not have been possible without the soft budget constraint and escalating production quotas of the Soviet economic system. They weren't literally just killing whales because they were evil? And being evil doesn't inherently make you kill whales?

Like you understand that the Soviet Union also invested quite a bit of time and money into getting the Soviet people to use whale products more to justify the whaling industry's existence, right? And that it didn't work, because people are not in fact automata who can be induced into consuming an incredibly unappetizing product simply through advertising? The Japanese government doesn't have the ability to just magic demand for whale meat into existence?

This is a bizarrely moralistic vision of how the world works--your idea here is essentially just that Japan surely must do this bad thing, because it is bad. By that logic, why won't the Nazis also do a whale genocide? This is the country that literally did the Holocaust and Generalplan Ost, do you think they're going to be reasonable about whaling?
 
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I... don't think that the Imperial Japanese government, or in fact any government, would be interested in subsidizing a money-losing industry that provides negligible national benefit for no reason, no?
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... There are so many industries that provide negligible national benefits that Government would subsidize out of either security or pride. For a safe example cultural preservation and studies completely unrelated to tourism. Or heck Agriculture (its cheaper to import but countries are still going to bend the rules).

To be perfectly honest in TNO its much more likely for Governments to be stubborn morons and refuse to stop funding money-losing industries providing negligible national benefits.

See TNO Germany refusing to stop slavery when it was clear for a very long time that it had terrible effects on the German Economy. Heck the entire Yasuda Crisis was based on the Government covering the absurd crapbucket garbage the Corporations (and Warlords/Colonial Governers) were doing rather than their job.

ChineseDrone said:
The Soviet whaling disaster happened because of reasons incredibly idiosyncratic to the Soviet system itself, and would not have been possible without the soft budget constraint of the Soviet economic system. They weren't literally just killing whales because they were evil? And being evil doesn't inherently make you kill whales?
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They were killing the Whales because they were evil.
The meat arrived mostly rotten but they kept killing more than was allowed by International Law because they could get away with it. So that their Quota's look bigger than Capitalists Countries.
 
ChineseDrone said:
I... don't think that the Imperial Japanese government, or in fact any government, would be incredibly interested in massively expanding a money-losing industry that provides negligible national benefit for no reason, no? Like, we know how the Japanese government relates to whaling--the whaling industry has political influence over the government, and as a result the government subsidizes it to maintain its existence and employment, but it's not like it's going to go all in on expanding whale catches year over year for no reason when they are not being sold or used for anything, because, and I cannot stress this enough, the whaling industry is in it for the money. The Soviet whaling disaster happened because of reasons incredibly idiosyncratic to the Soviet system, and would not have been possible without the soft budget constraint and escalating production quotas of the Soviet economic system. They weren't literally just killing whales because they were evil? And being evil doesn't inherently make you kill whales?

Like you understand that the Soviet Union also invested quite a bit of time and money into getting the Soviet people to use whale products more to justify the whaling industry's existence, right? And that it didn't work, because people are not in fact automata who can be induced into consuming an incredibly unappetizing product simply through advertising? The Japanese government doesn't have the ability to just magic demand for whale meat into existence?

This is a bizarrely moralistic vision of how the world works--your idea here is essentially just that Japan surely must do this bad thing, because it is bad. By that logic, why won't the Nazis also do a whale genocide? This is the country that literally did the Holocaust and Generalplan Ost, do you think they're going to be reasonable about whaling?
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ChineseDrone, Japan literally subsidizes the whaling industry today in real life, despite it being wildly unprofitable and unpopular. They do this as a point of national pride and have done so for decades. They've also invested quite a bit of time and money into promoting whale products and have tried selling it to foreign markets. Its remained unprofitable for decades. The government actively suppresses anti-whaling protests and arrests journalists who film dolphin massacres or the operations of whaling ships in order to suppress anti-whaling opinions. Numerous documentaries and news reports covering the industry are outright banned from circulation in Japan.

This is all shit they've done in real life, as a liberal democracy after supposedly arresting the war criminals.

You're the one thinking this is some weird random moral abstraction based on "evil countries doing random evil shit." This is reasonable extrapolation of Japan's actions in real life applied to Imperial Japan in TNO. It's also the literal text of TNO that Japan is encouraging heavy whaling as a point of national pride for historic cultural reasons and geopolitical ones. It shows that they can flex their influence as a superpower by setting the standards for international law.
Imperial Japan also literally murdered so many Chinese people in Manchuria they tried to turn human blood into industrial lubricant and used the bodies as fertilizer because they had too many bodies to know what to do with. Japanese war criminals are actively running Japan in TNO

Also, Germany is actually violating other country's waters to fish and whale in them too! German commercial fishing boats are actively ramming and fighting Brazilian fishermen in Brazil's coastal waters. The Lobster Wars is a major event in any Brazil playthrough! In TNO there's literally no international agreement on clearly defined coastal borders because fascists refuse to accept any restraints on their power. That includes Imperial Japan.

You're throwing shade about shit you know nothing about.
 
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To settle the debate, the bios in the teaser notes that Nissui is still profitable because it sells its products of Whaling in the entire CPS, but that it won't last because the rate of Whaling is unsustainable and the amount of hunted whales already started to decrease year after year.

So my guess is that a Japanese Antarctica playthrough will be about Nissui (the main backers and actual power behind Japanese Antarctica) reaching the point of non-profitability, and dealing with it. (either by doubling down on Whaling until the point of rupture, or trying to diversify their activities)
 
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German preview dropped:

Developer Diary | Historical Germany

Guten Tag oder guten Abend depending on when you’re reading this! Me, Paradox_Danne, and ManoDeZombi will guide you through the big boi; the myth, the legend, the one and only - the German Focus Tree. Yes, you read that right (and probably...
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TFR(the fire rises) out highly likely tomorrow. I know that the community is extremely off-putting, this mod has some rather edgy garbage in it--not helping the fact that it has first person narration involving some really evil groups with no third person perspective telling you that horrific atrocities are bad but I think that this mod actually has potential to be very good. At worst I think this would be like Black Myth Wukong, or Kremlingames(and maybe Red Dusk mod too as far as HOI4 goes) where the devs may be assholeish(or in the case of Kremlingames outright russian nationalist tankies) but the final product is actually very good

Helps that they don't rely on demos(often coming with bugged first release) and teasers to no end.
 
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