The Dragon Roars: A KMT Quest

[Empress_Boog]

We could always walk in, help with the Japanese, and then refuse to leave. The new states would be hotbeds of dissent for a bit, but I think we could handle it.

[] Accept their proposal.
-[] Make secret plans to forcefully occupy the territory once the war with Qing/Japan is over.
[] Progressive Right.

 

[SilentSpaniard]

[] Renegotiate.
-[] Write In: Integrate peacefully into our awesome Republic, we have so many nice things here! If you don't, well... Who knows what might happen in the near future? (We do. We are going to kick your ass.)
[] Conservative Right.

Not entirely serious, just giving some ideas. Thoughts?

 

[Nervos Belli]

One basic request could be to allow KMT agitators to organize and give speeches without harassment by military/police forces. It would make integrating them down the road later and would make our party members happier about allying with warlords.

 

[Kairos]

We also need to push for overall strategic command, and not just to get them used to following our orders, mind you. I don't want to have fight a brutal land war against the Qing and Japanese with a bunch of contentious warlords who might not even set foot out of their provinces.

If they don't help they're out of the Front.

Whatever we do, if the Yuan decides to join this, we need more guarantees. These guys are either going to be useful fodder or deadweight in comparison to the Zhili Clique. Was considering them anyways for our first targets.

 

[Acc. No. 1409]

So freedom for agitators and something resembling a unified command even if it's not under the NRA. Another part of me wants to do some sort-of economic fuckery that would have them reliant on us but am not sure as to how to do that. Related to that, do trade agreements and stuff to make them more amenable to us.

 

[Kairos]

So freedom for agitators and something resembling a unified command even if it's not under the NRA. Another part of me wants to do some sort-of economic fuckery that would have them reliant on us but am not sure as to how to do that. Related to that, do trade agreements and stuff to make them more amenable to us.

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+1 on putting an economic clause in a counter-offer. We might not need to violently depose them if we can get them economically reliant on us, show them the some of the benefits they have from joining our vision for China.

 

[Nervos Belli]

Not sure what we can do economy wise. We're still primarily agrarian with some German industrial aid. I doubt we have the industrial output to offer them much, certainly not more than the Qing and their backers. Our status as an independent republic with decent popular support plus our military is what makes a valuable ally, not our economy.

 

[nachtingale]

Not sure what we can do economy wise. We're still primarily agrarian with some German industrial aid. I doubt we have the industrial output to offer them much, certainly not more than the Qing and their backers. Our status as an independent republic with decent popular support plus our military is what makes a valuable ally, not our economy.

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The Republic does have somewhat of a more industrialized economy now, but it is heavily concentrated in the Beijing-Tianjin area for obvious reasons. Lanzhou has some promise as a developing industrial area, but for now it's mostly home to a small amount of light industries.

 

[stairmaster]

We gotta do a five year plan if we want to prepare for the japanese invasion, clearly.

 

[nachtingale]

"Conference of Paris Ends; Coalition of European Powers to Lead Fight Against Syndicalist Menace."

• January 1st, 1911 ; Le Petit Parisien.

"Kebin Earthquake Devastates Turkmenistan; Anti-Tsarist Groups Bash Apathetic Response by Government."

• January 3rd, 1911 ; Baikal Informer.

"United States of Mexico declared in Sonora; Republican General Diaz Takes Charge Against Franco-Mexican Forces."

• January 5th, 1911 ; The Los Angeles Periodical.

"People's Budget Blocked by House of Lords; Ruling Liberal Party Incensed."

• January 20th, 1911 ; Westminster Gazette.

"1911 Act of Union Sees Canadian Legislatures Abolished; House of Lords Furious at Retrictions."

• February 1st, 1911 ; The Ottawa Times.

"Surprising Swedish-Norwegian Detente Opens Debate on Unification; Denmark Commits to Anti-Syndicalist Paris Pact."

• February 10th, 1911 ; Oslo Worker.

"New Diet Elections See Seiyūkai Party Win Majority; 'Compromise with the Militarists' Announces New PM Ōkuma Shigenobu."

• February 17th, 1911 ; The Asahi Shimbun.

"Victorious Syndicalist Forces Smash Through Union Defense at St. Louis; Army of the Mississippi in Full Rout."

• March 1st, 1911 ; St. Louis Tribunal.

"Archduke Ferdinand Karl Visits Kingdom of Patagonia to Oversee Creation of Anti-EUS New Model Army."

• March 15th, 1911 ; Ichroche.

"First International Women's Day Sees Hundreds of Thousands on the March Throughout Europe."

• March 19, 1911 ; Berliner Tageblatt.

"Liberal Reforms of Pope Pius X Leave Both Bourgeoisie and Proletariat Unsatisfied."

• April 1st, 1911 ; Il Mattino.

"President Du Bois Introduces New Land Reform Bill; European Landlords Lambast 'Syndicalist' Haitian Legislation."

• April 12th, 1911 ; The Haitian Daily.

"Empress Isabella Enforces Universal Suffrage to Popular Acclaim; Muted Response from Brazilian Elites."

• April 25th, 1911 ; Estadão.

"Romania Refuses to Sign Paris Pact in Defiance of Europe; Germany Accepts Yugoslavian Entry into Mitteleuropa in Response."

• May 3rd, 1911 ; Adevĕrul.

"Imperial Army Defeated at Disastrous Battle of Puebla; Maximilian II Pleads for More French Support Amidst Zapatista Onslaught."

• May 17th, 1911 ; El Imparcial.

"Army of the Potomac Retreats Further South as Syndicalist 5th Army Smashes Through Fredericksburg."

• May 23rd, 1911 ; The Worker's Truth.

"Bloody Battle of Hartford Ends in Stalemate; Both Sides Claim Victory."

• June 3rd, 1911 ; The Montreal Morning Paper.

"Tensions Rise Between Allies Amidst Border Control Spat; Suspected Foul Play."

• June 5th, 1911 ; The Royal Mukden Dispatch.

"Syndicalist Uprisings in California and Oregon Crushed; A Victory for Democracy."

• June 12th, 1911 ; The San Francisco Herald.

"Doctor Wu Lien-Teh Declares End of Manchurian Plague; Border Controls to be Relaxed."

• June 25th, 1911 ; The Royal Mukden Dispatch.

"Isle of Man Standoff Begins; UPU Declares Blockade of Last Royalist Bastion in Europe."

• July 1st, 1911 ; Manchester Laborer.

"Swedish-Danish Union Declared by Exile Swedish Royal Family; Stockholm Perplexed."

• July 5th, 1911 ; Berlingske Tidende.

"Syndicalist Forces Slowly Push into Outskirts of Detroit."

• July 12th, 1911 ; The Michigan Star.

"Napoleon IV Declares Return of the 'Liberal Empire'; Syndicalists Flock to New Radical Socialist Party Amidst Party Ban."

• August 7, 1911 ; Le Petite Journal.

"German Empire Declares Blockade of UPU Amidst Isle of Man Standoff; France Expected to Follow Suit."

• August 15th, 1911 ; Neue Rheinische Zeitung.

"EUS Declares Andrés Avelino Cáceres New Lord Protector; Hillarian Daza to Retire from Office."

• September 1st, 1911 ; Bogota Tribunal.

"People's Budget Finally Passes As Asquith Wins Supermajority in New Canadian Elections."

• September 15th, 1911 ; The Economist.

"General Diaz Puts Veracruz to Siege; Valiant French Marines Hold Out for Reinforcements."

• October 2nd, 1911 ; Le Petite Journal.

"Zapatistas Enter Mexico City; Maximilian II Executed by Syndicalist Revolutionaries."

• October 13th, 1911 ; El Trabajador.

"Treaty of Gibraltar Declares International Zone of Tangiers; Spaniards Furious."

• November 4th, 1911 ; Madrid Express.

"James III Disbands the Cortes Amidst Tangiers Spat; Liberals Incensed."

• November 20th, 1911 ; Barcelona Daily.

"Revolutionary Leader William Morris Passes Peacefully at Age 78; Hundreds of Thousands Take to the Streets in Mourning."

• December 1st, 1911 ; Liberty.

"Yuan Shikai Ill With Pneumonia; 'He Will Not Be Long Here' Proclaims Doctor."

• December 31st, 1911 ; North China Daily.

 

[Word Bearer]

Yuan Shikai dying? Opportunity for us? Also hurrah our American comrades getting those w's.

 

[Acc. No. 1409]

"Yuan Shikai Ill With Pneumonia; 'He Will Not Be Long Here' Proclaims Doctor."

• December 31st, 1911 ; North China Daily.

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Well this is an interesting development. Has me wondering if the guy was poisoned or something but regardless this could prove to be an interesting opportunity. Ideally we integrate the Beijing-Tianjin area but at minimum I hope we get someone more reliable in charge. Would mean we would have a frontline with the Japanese and Manchurians though.

 

[blub01]

I'm wondering if we could just get them to accept the offer we gave yuan shikai, tbh.

 

[Regency]

"Conference of Paris Ends; Coalition of European Powers to Lead Fight Against Syndicalist Menace."

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Godspeed Syndie Britain & SocDem Portugal

"United States of Mexico declared in Sonora; Republican General Diaz Takes Charge Against Franco-Mexican Forces."

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Thought this was Porfirio Diaz, but remembered it's past his time

"Victorious Syndicalist Forces Smash Through Union Defense at St. Louis; Army of the Mississippi in Full Rout."

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"Army of the Potomac Retreats Further South as Syndicalist 5th Army Smashes Through Fredericksburg."

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"Syndicalist Forces Slowly Push into Outskirts of Detroit."

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YESSS

"Imperial Army Defeated at Disastrous Battle of Puebla; Maximilian II Pleads for More French Support Amidst Zapatista Onslaught."

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"General Diaz Puts Veracruz to Siege; Valiant French Marines Hold Out for Reinforcements."

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"Zapatistas Enter Mexico City; Maximilian II Executed by Syndicalist Revolutionaries."

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Yooo the Mexicans have kicked the Habsburg dynasty & the French out!

"Surprising Swedish-Norwegian Detente Opens Debate on Unification; Denmark Commits to Anti-Syndicalist Paris Pact."

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"Swedish-Danish Union Declared by Exile Swedish Royal Family; Stockholm Perplexed."

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Looks like competing attempts to unite the Nordic states...tho Denmark's attempt seems to be a cope

"Yuan Shikai Ill With Pneumonia; 'He Will Not Be Long Here' Proclaims Doctor."

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Damn, sure as hell didn't expect this.

 

[nachtingale]

Thought this was Porfirio Diaz, but remembered it's past his time

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It is indeed Porfirio Diaz, the republicans never won in Mexico because the French never left, hence Maximilian II. As such, there was never a Porfiriato, for better or for worse.

 

[nachtingale]

Voting is now open!

 

[Kairos]

[X] Renegotiate.
-[X] Write In: Demand that their forces subordinate themselves to NRA leadership in the event of foreign invasion.
[X] Conservative Right

Just a basic additional clause to make this defensive pact, actually defensive. If anyone else has anything to add or reword please do.

Edit: Changed vote

 

[Acc. No. 1409]

[X] Renegotiate.
-[X] Write In: Demand that their forces subordinate themselves to NRA leadership in the event of foreign invasion.
[X] Progressive Right.

Acceptable enough, would probably get a better response if it involves making a unified command structure with some kind-of buy-in but having some kind of command structure is a bigger priority to me.

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[X] Renegotiate.
-[X] Write In: Demand that the KMT be allowed to operate freely within their territory and that their forces subordinate themselves to NRA command in the event of foreign invasion. Additionally also offer trade agreements and infrastructure investments, in particular focusing on getting a connection between Beijing and Lanzhou.

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[Kairos]

Acceptable enough, would probably get a better response if it involves making a unified command structure with some kind-of buy-in but having some kind of command structure is a bigger priority to me.

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Yeah that could be an alternate demand, was more concerned with just writing a reasonable demand out that the warlords could actually stomach. Having the NRA as the decision maker would mean the warlords have another stick poking at them to commit to the United Front. Wasn't really writing with full on integration in mind, just something they would readily accept.

Could easily add something like this.
-[] Write In: Demand a portion of each United Front members fighting strength to a common defense army, to be headquartered in Beijing Clique Province under direct NRA command.

Maybe a bit much but something like that could be added. They get access to KMT weapons and supply, we get extra men to put on the front that needs it the most.

 

[Theonetruelordke]

[X] Renegotiate.
-[X] Write In: Demand that their forces subordinate themselves to NRA leadership in the event of foreign invasion.
[X] Progressive Right.

 

[TheTiredScot]

At first I ws confused to why Ottawa was the capital of the empire but this revealed to me that Britain is a revolutionary republic which is ver cool. I also find it interesting that despite losing the home isles the empire is still intact.

 

[Fireiy]

Right, we have a couple of possible demands here so may as well compile them all into the same offer.

[X] Renegotiate.
-[X] Write In: Demand that the KMT be allowed to operate freely within their territory and that their forces subordinate themselves to NRA command in the event of foreign invasion. Additionally also offer trade agreements and infrastructure investments, in particular focusing on getting a connection between Beijing and Lanzhou.
[X] Internationalist Left.

 

[Sleepy_Sloth]

[x] Renegotiate.
- [x] Write In: Demand that the KMT be allowed to operate freely within their territory and that their forces subordinate themselves to NRA command in the event of foreign invasion. Additionally also offer trade agreements and infrastructure investments, in particular focusing on getting a connection between Beijing and Lanzhou.
[x] Syndicalist Left.

 

[notbirdofprey]

[X] Renegotiate.
-[X] Write In: Demand that the KMT be allowed to operate freely within their territory and that their forces subordinate themselves to NRA command in the event of foreign invasion. Additionally also offer trade agreements and infrastructure investments, in particular focusing on getting a connection between Beijing and Lanzhou.
[X] Progressive Left.

 

[Balmung1]

[X] Renegotiate.
-[X] Write In: Demand that the KMT be allowed to operate freely within their territory and that their forces subordinate themselves to NRA command in the event of foreign invasion. Additionally also offer trade agreements and infrastructure investments, in particular focusing on getting a connection between Beijing and Lanzhou.
[X] Progressive Left.