If they wanted to remove us they already would have at this point, I feel. And there are parts of the Army that would protest such an act considering the comment by Jiang Jieshi of all people.
The Dragon Roars: A KMT Quest
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If they wanted to remove us they already would have at this point, I feel. And there are parts of the Army that would protest such an act considering the comment by Jiang Jieshi of all people.
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You're already assuming the Southern Expedition will be a colossal failure right off the bat. And if we do nothing we're already sending that message.
I mean it's clear we're being given a chance to vote for their preferred course of action (to act) before we get axed, I don't think the danger has passed at all.
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Well, yeah, because the southern Expedition will be a colossal failure?
The NRA is currently stretched beyond their capabilities, we had to strip our garrisons just to keep Sichuan pacified and are currently losing manpower with time cause of the delayed demobilisiation.
Where are we supposed to get the 75k Troops, a quarter of the NRA, we need to fight the GMD without losing on another front like giving Liu the chance to revolt, taking Sichuan as his fortress while also trapping the Southern Expedition?
(75k troops is a number I made up. The GMD is supposed to have 50-60k, but we are also attacking at the edge of our supply lanes with the last step going straight through mountains while the GMD has the homefield advantage and defensive positions left from the border with the taiping)
What are we going to do if the GMD is stronger than we expected, like if they get support from the Xin Han against us?
I do not see how the Southern Expedition is supposed to be a success with the forces at our disposal.
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[X] [GMD] Leave them be, for now.
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[X] [GMD] Agree to a Southern Expedition against Guangzhou.
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[X] KMT - Mainline
It certainly hasn't but that isn't an excuse to just become a rubber stamp. If the Republic wants to still be called a Republic and have it not be a farce then there has to be separation of powers and similar things. So maintaining Legislative and Civilian independence from Military influence would be necessary.
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The military will have significant influence either way, just because of the situation, the question is just whether turning ourselves into a rubber stamp is the best way to ensure our own power (and whether our own power is worth ruining the power of the republic)
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It's all in the cards
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[X] [GMD] Leave them be, for now.
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[x] [GMD] Leave them be, for now.
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@nachtingale What forces are the NRA proposing to be used to fight the GMD anyway? It's difficult to see how they're going to manage this without pulling men away from the already stretched occupation troops.
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[X] [GMD] Leave them be, for now.
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[X] KMT - Mainline
nachtingale
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The NRA is not too keen on sharing those details, but they have plans formulated on how to deal with the rebellion in the south.
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We need to trust their process and believe in the power of the revolutionary spirit!
Voting Closed.
nachtingale
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Thx for voting.
Turn 8 Crisis End: The Imperial Presidency.
nachtingale
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[X] [GMD] Leave them be, for now.
"The Legislature has made its decision; now let them enforce it."
- President Sun Yat-Sen.
Soldiers chosen to participate in the operation, chosen personally by Chief Instructor Jiang Jieshi.
In All But Name.
"The Legislature has made its decision; now let them enforce it."
- President Sun Yat-Sen.
Of the remaining members of the Legislative Yuan, the speed and haste of the end of multiparty democracy having lead to a shortage of delegates available to represent the Republic's many provinces, the question regarding the re-establishment of the GMD government to the South would invite a great amount of debate within the chamber itself, of great intensity and urgency. Of a great many questions were asked regarding the looming threat of a more permanent entanglement of the NRA in legislative affairs, most exemplified by the recent crisis of faith from the army and the President in the more expanded democracy of 1913, but a mere two years ago.
The concern would prompt many to point out, in almost alarmist fashion, the looming threat of the end of the legislature itself as an independent entity, perhaps permanently, given the President's support and outright organizing of the Army's operations in the capital. Arguing from a position of great panic, the soon-to-be known faction of pro-interventionists would rally around the preservation of some form of Legislative Autonomy by approving of the suppression of the Southern Rebellion, preserving their own political strength by sacrificing the Federalist government to the South.
Derisively called the Sun Clique by their opponents in the Legislature, due to the perceived submissiveness of the delegates to the President's demands, they would be opposed by those delegates who would stubbornly stake out a defense of the Republican institution, questioning the logic of submitting even more to the rapidly turning autocratic KMT leadership and wishing to maintain some semblance of normative democracy in similar nature to the Western Powers. Opposed to the suppression of fellow revolutionaries, they would refuse to approve the NRA's request for an invasion of the nascent government on the Pearl Delta, a popular course of action amongst their fellow delegates, as those of the interventionist faction would find themselves in a great minority amongst the parliamentarians.
They would try their earnest to delay the vote, however, as news regarding the mood of the vote in the legislature would elicit... unfavorable opinions by those spectating. One delegate of the interventionist faction would even point-blank threaten other delegates that they would personally lead the firing squad against those who would vote against the southern expedition for their, "blind stupidity, an entire room of delusional idealists with no sense of pragmatism,", promptly leaving the building entirely as the vote continued. However, those against the intervention were confident that they could call the bluff of the army, with the backing of the civilian population against any realistic military-led coup against Lanzhou.
With comfortable margins, it seemed that the vote would decisively move in favor of non-intervention, though not quite so as to prevent a presidential veto from overriding their disapproval. A last-minute switch of several delegates voting in favor of intervention would see their supermajority taken away from them, but it would still pass through regardless, as the President seemingly watched the proceedings without comment. There would be no issuance of his veto, not today.
There was no need for it.
The concern would prompt many to point out, in almost alarmist fashion, the looming threat of the end of the legislature itself as an independent entity, perhaps permanently, given the President's support and outright organizing of the Army's operations in the capital. Arguing from a position of great panic, the soon-to-be known faction of pro-interventionists would rally around the preservation of some form of Legislative Autonomy by approving of the suppression of the Southern Rebellion, preserving their own political strength by sacrificing the Federalist government to the South.
Derisively called the Sun Clique by their opponents in the Legislature, due to the perceived submissiveness of the delegates to the President's demands, they would be opposed by those delegates who would stubbornly stake out a defense of the Republican institution, questioning the logic of submitting even more to the rapidly turning autocratic KMT leadership and wishing to maintain some semblance of normative democracy in similar nature to the Western Powers. Opposed to the suppression of fellow revolutionaries, they would refuse to approve the NRA's request for an invasion of the nascent government on the Pearl Delta, a popular course of action amongst their fellow delegates, as those of the interventionist faction would find themselves in a great minority amongst the parliamentarians.
They would try their earnest to delay the vote, however, as news regarding the mood of the vote in the legislature would elicit... unfavorable opinions by those spectating. One delegate of the interventionist faction would even point-blank threaten other delegates that they would personally lead the firing squad against those who would vote against the southern expedition for their, "blind stupidity, an entire room of delusional idealists with no sense of pragmatism,", promptly leaving the building entirely as the vote continued. However, those against the intervention were confident that they could call the bluff of the army, with the backing of the civilian population against any realistic military-led coup against Lanzhou.
With comfortable margins, it seemed that the vote would decisively move in favor of non-intervention, though not quite so as to prevent a presidential veto from overriding their disapproval. A last-minute switch of several delegates voting in favor of intervention would see their supermajority taken away from them, but it would still pass through regardless, as the President seemingly watched the proceedings without comment. There would be no issuance of his veto, not today.
There was no need for it.
Soldiers chosen to participate in the operation, chosen personally by Chief Instructor Jiang Jieshi.
The movement of troops around the capital had always gone unnoticed, many of them taking place as a result of field exercises undertaken at the nearby Anning Academy or for the regular army parades, meant to encourage soldier and civilian alike to contribute to the Republic's revolutionary mission and defense therein. Many of these were veterans, having served ably for more than a decade (in some cases even longer, in the Taiping or Qing armies) as they neared the end of their service as combat-effective troops, those already expecting to leave the military before long.
As such, nobody batted an eye as they marched through the streets and straight towards the Legislative Yuan. A full regiment strong, it would be formed by those most loyal to the President, hardly difficult given the adoration many of these soldiers possessed to the revolutionary leader, lead by disgruntled officers and approved by even more disgruntled men from higher above the chain in command.
Several delegates had already been informed of the happenings during the vote, all of them interventionists, and had already left the hall by the time the soldiers surrounded and entered the building. One of them would graciously leave a door open for the soldiers to enter, and within minutes the legislature would find itself surrounded by armed men of the NRA, all dissatisfied in one way or the other the conduct of the legislature throughout the long years. The President would whisper to the Legislative President to initiate a recount, who would act accordingly.
Surprisingly, the motion for the southern expedition would pass unanimously.
Naturally, the unanimous approval would be derided by the most vocal opponents of the war, with one delegate going so far as to proclaim that the NRA men in the hall with them had finally "revealed themselves to be nothing more than warlords with pretensions of republicanism, as traitors to the people, to the Republic."
He would remain the only vocal opposition that day, and soon thereafter, the delegate would mysteriously disappear, presumed dead. The government inquiry would officially blame it on "countryside bandits", but all knew what the death meant in reality.
The Republic was dead in all but name.
As such, nobody batted an eye as they marched through the streets and straight towards the Legislative Yuan. A full regiment strong, it would be formed by those most loyal to the President, hardly difficult given the adoration many of these soldiers possessed to the revolutionary leader, lead by disgruntled officers and approved by even more disgruntled men from higher above the chain in command.
Several delegates had already been informed of the happenings during the vote, all of them interventionists, and had already left the hall by the time the soldiers surrounded and entered the building. One of them would graciously leave a door open for the soldiers to enter, and within minutes the legislature would find itself surrounded by armed men of the NRA, all dissatisfied in one way or the other the conduct of the legislature throughout the long years. The President would whisper to the Legislative President to initiate a recount, who would act accordingly.
Surprisingly, the motion for the southern expedition would pass unanimously.
Naturally, the unanimous approval would be derided by the most vocal opponents of the war, with one delegate going so far as to proclaim that the NRA men in the hall with them had finally "revealed themselves to be nothing more than warlords with pretensions of republicanism, as traitors to the people, to the Republic."
He would remain the only vocal opposition that day, and soon thereafter, the delegate would mysteriously disappear, presumed dead. The government inquiry would officially blame it on "countryside bandits", but all knew what the death meant in reality.
The Republic was dead in all but name.
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Turn 8 Crisis End: The Imperial Presidency Summarized
Tyrant Sun let's fucking goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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The extremely unpopular legislature was put out of its misery by The Father of the Republic Doctor Sun, there is no legitimacy crisis, not with the party once more in full alliance with the NRA.
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The Chinese Bonaparte
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Who could have predicted this?