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The Absent Father - A WH30k GSRPG - Planning Thread

So, quick question for @Sidheach

Is it possible to make up an Independent Human Polity?

Cause if so I have an idea that might be cool/an homage to Stan Lee.

Picture this: A Highly Advanced, Small Sized Space Empire, Ruled by a Power Armored Perpetual known only as Lord Doom. . .
 
KnightofTempest said:
So, quick question for @Sidheach

Is it possible to make up an Independent Human Polity?

Cause if so I have an idea that might be cool/an homage to Stan Lee.

Picture this: A Highly Advanced, Small Sized Space Empire, Ruled by a Power Armored Perpetual known only as Lord Doom. . .
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Custom Human Factions are indeed permissible as claims, when I post the claims thread on Tuesday there will be a form for doing so.
 
No wonder he was purged.

Either way the Iron Emperor on his Iron throne will do what must be done to fulfill the emperors dream ... and close the eye of terror (by throwing trillions of troops and ships at it).
 
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Nobody has taken anything yet as claims are not open until tuesday.
 
After much thought on who I would prefer to play as, either as Human or Eldar I have decided to take one for the team and decide that I would like to play as one of the Eldar Craftworld.

( Not really taking one for the team, I just decide why not play as the absolutely dickish Eldar rebuilding some sort of empire, and I thought hey this gives me a chance to actually learn more about the Eldar as I am relatively new to 40K stuff)
 
Dovahsith said:
You lack vision.

After all, theoretically, the galaxy and more specifically humanities existence is at threat.

Practical solution is to form a regional hegemony to act as a means of reducing Xenos threats and preventing outright domination by rival human empires of a more self-destructive nature.

Looks at Angron and Curze...
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(Typos.)

Nah, it's more that Guilliman, as a character, doesn't appeal to me the way other Primarchs (like Curze) do. Putting aside the wole "vanilla marine" thing, Guilliman as a character is defined as a steward/manager, or, if you want to be cheeky, the ultimate second in command. He's always been most at ease making systems and managing the state of the realm, rather than playing visionary. The systems he set up on Macragge were the ideals of his father, he rarely innovated or pushed boldly forward, preferring instead to fine tune and improve things that others made. The Moritat came from Corvus Corax, the Fulmentarus Terminator Squads were originally Perturabo's idea. What's more, Guilliman has a tendency to be methodical and conservative, most notably displayed in the Imperium Secondus, where instead of going to look for the Emperor, he assumed the worst and started fortifying and preserving what he had in reach. He refers to his laws and systems first and foremost, even at the cost of ingenuity and initiative. It's a flaw that is passed down to his Ultramarines, as shown by their steady entrenchment of the Codex Astartes (which Guilliman specifically stated was only a set of guidelines) into dogma over time. Guilliman knows his flaws, of course, but that doesn't make them any less prominent in practice. His self awareness and objectivity is one of his strengths, hence why he made Sanguinius Regent of the Imperium Secondus, and when he was awakened chose to play Advisor rather than take center stage. As long has he has enough power to do what needs to be done, it's enough.

Ultimately, Guilliman is a orderly, practical person first and foremost, and writing about his airtight policy making and methodical expansion isn't interesting to me. I'd much rather write about Konrad Curze's, and his struggles with his inner monster; his attempts to bring light to Nostramo (metaphorically through stability, re-education and intimidation, literally by turning the moon into an asteroid ring via shaped cyclonic torpedoes); his reaction to things outside his original perspective, and how he reacts and grows in response. To me personally, Curze is a more compelling character who doesn't get enough representation as is. Besides, you're going to be playing Guilliman, so it all checks out anyways?

Also, my inner Rogal Dorn chuckles at the term "you lack vision", because A) a lack of "vision" isn't actually a bad summation of Guilliman's biggest fault, and B) Curze lots of visions. He had "vision" spilling from his ears, to the point that they were a big reason he went insane. :V
 
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I was invited here and I would like to double check how open Horus is, because I feel that he is best played by a madman like me unless he's already claimed then I guess I'll ask about the Martians

Edit: I meant to say that as in, if anyone else wants him I'll let them take him
 
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So given the stated focus of Chaos not being a major force early on, I assume groups like the Laer won't be playable?
 
Kerensky said:
Hunny this is thousands of years before The Beast was even a glimmer in the eyes of all Ork-kind, we had big guys like Urrlak Urruk, who made 'the Beast' look like a regular ass boy in comparison.
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That's... a very odd take? Urlakk Urg, his buddy from Gorro, and Gharkul Blackfang are all extremely impressive specimens unmatched except perhaps by Ghazghkull in the modern universe, but they're not exactly Beast tier.
 
EternalStruggle said:
That's... a very odd take? Urlakk Urg, his buddy from Gorro, and Gharkul Blackfang are all extremely impressive specimens unmatched except perhaps by Ghazghkull in the modern universe, but they're not exactly Beast tier.
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This is literally disproven by the Horus Heresy book series where these warlords literally take the Emperor -AND- Horus to bring down. In comparison, the Beast was taken down by Vulkan alone. Urrlak also had one of the largest Ork empires known in history and was capable of holding the might of several space marine legions and additional contingents.
 
I think it was possible that II, being contemplative and quiet, thoughtful, was planning some insurrection against the Imperial Truth. Perhaps he did make peace with the Xenos, or was found by them and nurtured trust in them. Perhaps he killed himself, or didn't see the point of the Great Crusade, or any number of things really. There's a lot to play there I think, he definitely seemed like an interesting figure.

The story of XI is probably a bit more gruesome in my opinion. Sanguinius was careful not to tell the Emperor about his gene-seed mutation, ostensibly because a legion had been purged for it before. And in multiple references it's said that XI was pure and innocent in the Lab, but when he was delivered he was damaged in some way. I believe he was mutated and couldn't function, not even on an Angron level or something similar.
 
Kerensky said:
This is literally disproven by the Horus Heresy book series where these warlords literally take the Emperor -AND- Horus to bring down. In comparison, the Beast was taken down by Vulkan alone. Urrlak also had one of the largest Ork empires known in history and was capable of holding the might of several space marine legions and additional contingents.
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This is a fucking take.

The Beast was a lot more advanced technologically and organisationally, and Urlakk himself was solo'd by Horus fairly easily. Meanwhile, the Beast was winning against Vulkan until Vulkan suicided himself into a reactor. This, mind you, being a post-Heresy Vulkan and thus far more experienced in fighting Primarch-equivalents than pre-Chaos Horus ever was. While Urlakk was doing pretty well for himself, and Gharkul was almost holding off three full Legions, the Beast was basically fighting nine simultaneously, just spread out over a large distance. Arguably more than nine, since we know he was also fighting Iron Warrior detachments.
 
EternalStruggle said:
This is a fucking take.

The Beast was a lot more advanced technologically and organisationally, and Urlakk himself was solo'd by Horus fairly easily. Meanwhile, the Beast was winning against Vulkan until Vulkan suicided himself into a reactor. This, mind you, being a post-Heresy Vulkan and thus far more experienced in fighting Primarch-equivalents than pre-Chaos Horus ever was. While Urlakk was doing pretty well for himself, and Gharkul was almost holding off three full Legions, the Beast was basically fighting nine simultaneously, just spread out over a large distance. Arguably more than nine, since we know he was also fighting Iron Warrior detachments.
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It's not a take, the Beast was fighting 15,000 marines compared to the near 300,000-500,000 Gharkul would've been thrown against. Reread the books and get the timeline straight, bud.
 
Kerensky said:
It's not a take, the Beast was fighting 15,000 marines compared to the near 300,000-500,000 Gharkul would've been thrown against. Reread the books and get the timeline straight, bud.
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The Beast may have only been fighting 15,000 Marines on one front but again, that's because the Beast War was more galactic in scale. Meanwhile, Gharkul's forces were all concentrated in that battle.

Again, it's true that Gharkul and Urlakk are stronger than every single Warlord in the modern day, definitely including pre-Indomitus (I.E Third Armageddon) Ghaz himself and very likely including present edition Ghazghkull as well, but the Beast was on a different level. Again, you have to look at scale and organisation. Urlakk had one half-completed Attack Planet in the form of Gorro, the Beast had most likely a couple dozen of fully operational Attack Moons.
 
EternalStruggle said:
The Beast may have only been fighting 15,000 Marines on one front but again, that's because the Beast War was more galactic in scale. Meanwhile, Gharkul's forces were all concentrated in that battle.

Again, it's true that Gharkul and Urlakk are stronger than every single Warlord in the modern day, definitely including pre-Indomitus (I.E Third Armageddon) Ghaz himself and very likely including present edition Ghazghkull as well, but the Beast was on a different level. Again, you have to look at scale and organisation. Urlakk had one half-completed Attack Planet in the form of Gorro, the Beast had most likely a couple dozen of fully operational Attack Moons.
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The Beast also had eight clones of himself, a vast array of genetically woven psykers, which Urlakk did not have, though was still competently able to fight.
I'm not referring to tactical scale, but it's hard to deny that the orks of this age had larger physical presences on a stellar and literal sense, even if they weren't able to fight off every possible threat at once with 'attack moons'. You have to take into account that the War of the Beast series embellishes many of its plot points as it is in part a work of deception on behalf of Vangorich as revealed at the end of the series, such as the masscale invasion of Orks being only a half truth.
 
Kerensky said:
The Beast also had eight clones of himself, a vast array of genetically woven psykers, which Urlakk did not have, though was still competently able to fight.
I'm not referring to tactical scale, but it's hard to deny that the orks of this age had larger physical presences on a stellar and literal sense, even if they weren't able to fight off every possible threat at once with 'attack moons'. You have to take into account that the War of the Beast series embellishes many of its plot points as it is in part a work of deception on behalf of Vangorich as revealed at the end of the series, such as the masscale invasion of Orks being only a half truth.
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...let's agree to disagree, and instead focus on the fact that we both agree that the Orks of the Crusade era were way bigger in every way than the Orks of the 41st millennium.

Although personally I think that's more of a matter of time spent ramping up the Waaagh than anything truly inherent, but that's neither here nor there.
 
Kerensky said:
Literally what I'm saying, dude.
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I mean you were also saying that, but the point of contention was never if Urlakk and Gharkul measured up to Ghaz and his contemporaries, I never disputed that they were superior. It was about the Beast and friends.

But again, it's getting clear that this argument is moving nowhere at astonishing speeds, so we should probably drop it.
 
EternalStruggle said:
I mean you were also saying that, but the point of contention was never if Urlakk and Gharkul measured up to Ghaz and his contemporaries, I never disputed that they were superior. It was about the Beast and friends.

But again, it's getting clear that this argument is moving nowhere at astonishing speeds, so we should probably drop it.
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Oh I agree with you, like, wholly, I just wanted to underline the fact that you're dealing with dramatically different scales and attempting to compare them as if that could be done. But yeah, we should probably not derail the thread an argument that's essentially Gork and Mork personified.

'To compare the Adeptus Astartes to the Custodes is akin to comparing the humble forge world boltgun to a master-crafted artifact of the Primarch Vulkan himself'
- Adeptus Custodes Codex​
 
Well at least lorewise Gharkul seems the weakest of the three (four? i lost track), since while he fought three legions to a standstill, the emperor basically just appeared with Custodes and instagibbed him and his entire retinue...

and in regards to Urlakk citing from lexicanum here: " Boss Urlakk's power was such that few other orks in history have become as great a threat, such as The Beast."
Note here threat. But yeah since we can play on semantics till we grow beards (or in my case longer beards)
lets simply go by what lexicanum gives in numbers:

I mean if we go by strength in numbers it states for the Ullanor Crusade "millions" while for the War of the Beast "Majority of the Ork Race"
and lets not forget that the cleanup for the Beast took another century according to lexicanum here.
The Ullanor Crusade was also handled in what appears to be less than a year? (that seems way too short)
The War of the Beast seems to have taken two years. (which seems also way too short)

so all in all, rather inconclusive depending on which point you want to prove. Fact is The Beast was the largest WAAAGH! by any measure, whether it was the most effective one is a different question.

EDIT: aaaand you lads ninjaed me...nevermind.
 
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