The Absent Father - A WH30k GSRPG - Planning Thread

So why run it as 40k then? The setting alone doesn't have the energy on this scale to carry without an overarching force or goal, and it's definitely a novel concept to run a game in Warhammer without the main poster boys to carry it through. It'll stagnate really quickly due to circumstance and design of your own. You'd be much better off just --- i'unno, making your own science fiction setting. That's just how I feel about it, I'll probably throw my hat into the ring ultimately regardless.

Primarchs and Space Marines are generally the poster boys for Warhammer so I do have that part covered.

And on the whole, I do feel that there's enough to keep this game going at least for a little while. A lot of the Primarchs are located towards the middle meaning it'll be one or two turns before contact is made, the potential for hostile NPCs to arise (aside from any unclaimed Primarchs and Craftworlds) allows for conflict with factions other than players, and inevitably there will be one dude who asks to smash Cadia apart and plunge the Galaxy into Chaos.

Though I have to ask @Sidheach , why are the ship types so numerous if the ground forces are being abstracted so much?
As already mentioned, it's primarily because fleet based action is the more important aspect to warfare on a macro scale.
Okay.

Edit: All kidding aside, I think there's only one major Ork warboss active at this moment, The Beast.
At the start of the game, there will be no Ork Waaghs accessible. The plan is to have them potentially arise through the course of uncovering the map, I'm also toying with having periodic events for each faction that could result in an Ork Waagh surfacing within their borders/edge of their borders, but not at the start.
 
At the start of the game, there will be no Ork Waaghs accessible. The plan is to have them potentially arise through the course of uncovering the map, I'm also toying with having periodic events for each faction that could result in an Ork Waagh surfacing within their borders/edge of their borders, but not at the start.

I mean, you could literally flip a coin each round to determine whether a new sector has orks in it, and it would still be canon compliant. :V

The things are everywhere.

How prevalent are you going to make minor xenos? Species that technically have major presences across the galaxy but get none of the focus, like the Tarellians, the Deimurg, the Hrud... the Squats.

Are the Squats still alive?
 
I mean, you could literally flip a coin each round to determine whether a new sector has orks in it, and it would still be canon compliant. :V

The things are everywhere.

How prevalent are you going to make minor xenos? Species that technically have major presences across the galaxy but get none of the focus, like the Tarellians, the Deimurg, the Hrud... the Squats.

Are the Squats still alive?

I'm planning on playing the Tarellians since their homeworlds are still extant ittl
 
I mean, you could literally flip a coin each round to determine whether a new sector has orks in it, and it would still be canon compliant. :V

The things are everywhere.

How prevalent are you going to make minor xenos? Species that technically have major presences across the galaxy but get none of the focus, like the Tarellians, the Deimurg, the Hrud... the Squats.

Are the Squats still alive?

It'll depend on rolls for Sectors uncovered but the general idea is that there will be both Human and Xenos NPC Factions that will surface as the game drags on though none will be present at the start aside from unclaimed Primarchs and Craftworlds.

Any Xenos eradicated by the Imperium or as a consequence of their involvement/association with the Imperium are still present here.
 
My God....

A 30K game where I don't get stuck with the stupid decision the guy before me made!? Count me in!
 
And as I'm thinking about it, claiming one of the two Lost Primarchs will require extra legwork as I'll expect any claimants to 1) explain why Roboute and Rogal thought they were so dangerous that all knowledge of them had to be erased from existence and 2) explain a way in which Chaos could corrupt them. Basically because they're blank slates, I want anyone taking them to think long and hard about what their flaws are and how they could fall to Chaos in order to avoid people trying to make Mary Sues.
Lost Primarch:

1) Lost Primarch-kun ended up on the world of some sort of minor xenos species, who were surprisingly okay with this and raised him as one of their own, causing him to adopt their alien and inhuman, friendly and diplomatic, culture as his own.

2) Along with Lost Primarch-chan's friendliness is a certain amount of naivety, which would allow chaos to trick him into corruption?
 
Nostramo was a horrid place, even in a galaxy of horrors and grimdark. It wasn't as bad as, say, Commoragh or a Daemon World, but that's more because of the limits of natural human misery than anything good about the place. It was a place of oppression, a world that rewarded the worst of mankind, allowing the populace to sink ever further into their darkest instincts. There were no shadows on Nostramo, because it was a world without light.

Nostramo's was built on pain and despair. Those are the things that have defined the place for so long. In the beginning, perhaps it was a penal world of a kind, where the worst of man was sent to mine the endless bounty of adamantium, the only thing of even potential good to come from the accursed place. Over time, as the centuries and millennia of misery and grinding torment passed, the people continued to entrench their sin steeped lifestyles into the identity of the planet. By the time Curze arrives, the world's oppressive despair has wormed its way into the bedrock of the world.

When Konrad Curze arrived, the only thing to welcome him was the cold, uncaring bedrock. As one of the more psychically able Primarchs, his abilities allowed him to see the layers of misery and disgust on a horrifically intimate level. He saw the pain, the torment, and deep below in the depths of the hive, that was all he had. Yet still, he had a sense that that was not how it should be. So he tried to help. He was betrayed by the merciless opportunism. But he tried again, tried to reach out to others, despite what he saw, despite that he could taste the darkness enveloping the souls around him, despite never having experienced kindness or trust himself.

He failed. Again.

And Again. And Again.

AndAgainAndAgainAndAgainAndAgainAndTheyNeverStopTheyNeverTryThey'reHopelessTheSameChoicesOverandOverTheSameThingstheSameFailuresFailuresFailuresBecauseThereAreNoChoicesForMonstersAllYouCanDoIsKillandHurtAndBreakThemYouSawItYouKnowthatTruththeyareWorthlessandHereYouAreAmongThemInTheDark...

And so on and so forth.

In the end, Konrad Curze would give in to the darkness. He would turn the pain and fear and misery into a weapon of justice. Because it was the only way to stop the gears without burning it all down. Because otherwise the things that called themselves the people of Nostramo would never stop lest they be ground apart by the rest. Perhaps, given time, he could have made something. Perhaps, under his brutal hand, he could have made something better.

But that was not his fate, was it?

Fate came for Konrad Curze in a suit of shining gold and gleaming light. It took him away for a greater purpose, tore him from his hope to be used as a weapon of destruction and torment. He was introduced to a place he had never had a chance to belong to, among those that he knew to be his betters. Other Primarchs, who raised their homes into greater things, who succeeded in their own goals, who shone and gleamed in the open day, when Curze could barely stand beneath the dawn. Perhaps he could have yet grown into more, but that was not his place. It was not his destiny. Instead, he tore and mutilated and hurt those that, deep down, he knew did not deserve what came for them, that were not the man-shaped abominations he had torn apart in the dark. He could not show mercy, because he was to be a monster. He could not regret, because that would mean all he had done meant nothing, or less. And all the while, Nostramo came back to haunt him, seeping into his blood like a mold. He looked upon his sons, and found them to be the very things he had broken so much to burn away. Who cared about what happened to him? What reason was there for him to exist, if all he could create was terror and misery? Thus he turned that power inward. He destroyed his bonds with his brothers, he destroyed the festering hive of misery he crawled out of, he destroyed the people he did not know how to save. He destroyed himself, and in the end, the only justice he was able to hold onto, was vindication.

Or so it was to be.


Honestly, the Primarchs are amazingly well written. Every one of their stories is laden with enough subtext to drown a fable. Kurze, in canon, is a metaphor for self destruction, from within, and from without. On Terra, he found himself surrounded by people who did not care about his struggles, that expected him to be a monster, that expected him to become the best when all he had was the worst. It's the story of the degeneration of the self, of succumbing to inner demons, of being pushed and pressed and finally breaking. Konrad Curze was born on a planet where suicide was one of the most common causes of death. In some ways, he's just another statistic. Nobody cares about the failures. They should have just become better. After all, the others could do it, if he failed, it's because he didn't try. Is that true? Yes and no. Kurze is ultimately a pathetic person. He broke under his circumstances, and he became a monster, because that was what he needed to be, and afterwards, forced to leave for a greater purpose, he continued to be a monster, because he didn't know how to be anything else. He pushed others away, because he didn't feel he deserved anything but contempt. He was never given a chance to be anything but the monster, and so he embraced it, because to do otherwise would shatter him. He knew that, but he never asked for help, because he didn't know how.


I can't wait for the RP to start.

Edit: Also, neglected to ask, but @Sidheach , will the Primarchs all start with their legions via the power of handwavium, or will they come later on?
 
Last edited:
And as I'm thinking about it, claiming one of the two Lost Primarchs will require extra legwork as I'll expect any claimants to 1) explain why Roboute and Rogal thought they were so dangerous that all knowledge of them had to be erased from existence and 2) explain a way in which Chaos could corrupt them. Basically because they're blank slates, I want anyone taking them to think long and hard about what their flaws are and how they could fall to Chaos in order to avoid people trying to make Mary Sues.

1.Use Necrontech-heresy to close up the warp forever and thus also prevent humanity from reaching the next stage of evolution?
2.Tzeentch, because Tzeentch always finds a way...
 
1.Use Necrontech-heresy to close up the warp forever and thus also prevent humanity from reaching the next stage of evolution?
2.Tzeentch, because Tzeentch always finds a way...

For the first, Necron tech treads on Ferrus Manus' toes, what with his necrodermis hands and all. Maybe a different Xenos race like the Hrud, or trying to uplift humanity directly somehow through sketchy technology and sketchier experimentation?

For the second, treading even harder on Magnus's shtick.

It doesn't necessarily have to be chaos that corrupted them, and I'm honestly inclined to say that it's quite likely whatever ruined them was something else. If there was a brother who was corrupted by chaos, the other primarchs would certainly have been more wary of Chaos than otherwise. The Council of Nikea wouldn't have been such a shitshow if that were the case. It has to be something that is utterly incompatible to the views of the Emperor, and also represent an idea dangerous enough to need utter erasure from memory. Maybe one of them was corrupted into an unsalvagable mutant during gestation, or was hardlining about the acceptance of Xenos/AI to the extreme, maybe one of them was an otherwise normal Primarch who got himself killed in a spectacular military disaster and was covered up to preserve the reputation of the Astartes.

The only thing we really have to go on is that they were considered "failures", and were "corrupted", which could mean a lot of things. Whatever it was, it has to be intrinsic and utterly irreparable from the Imperium's perspective.
 
focus was less on the necrons and more on closing the warp forevermore, since this would (from emps pov) prevent humanity from reaching the next stage of evolution (becoming psykers) but fair enough.

And considering the warp closing idea in hindsight malal might be more fitting due to him representing the self-destructive tendencies of chaos...

EDIT:
Re: Unsalvageable Mutant
Squat Primarch? :D
 
Last edited:
And as I'm thinking about it, claiming one of the two Lost Primarchs will require extra legwork as I'll expect any claimants to 1) explain why Roboute and Rogal thought they were so dangerous that all knowledge of them had to be erased from existence and 2) explain a way in which Chaos could corrupt them. Basically because they're blank slates, I want anyone taking them to think long and hard about what their flaws are and how they could fall to Chaos in order to avoid people trying to make Mary Sues.
Is there any reason why they wouldn't throw their lot in with Xenos instead? It's easy to imagine Eldar discovering them and raising or killing them for as of yet unknown purpose (something something fate something foresight.)

Alternatively, they started somewhere with no rich food, we're rescued by the emperor. Had a celebratory banquet. Ate to much. Died on the loo.

That would be worth a damn good cover-up
 
Oh wait i have it. They tried to usurp the Emperor or go independent. I mean their legions vanished with them, so thats at least somewhat plausible right? Not some xeno or tech heresy but simple greed or lust for power or mind free will aka "no dad i'm not sharing your vision of the future of mankind, i'll take my legion and do my own thing." no?
 
Oh wait i have it. They tried to usurp the Emperor or go independent. I mean their legions vanished with them, so thats at least somewhat plausible right? Not some xeno or tech heresy but simple greed or lust for power or mind free will aka "no dad i'm not sharing your vision of the future of mankind, i'll take my legion and do my own thing." no?

And then Russ.
 
I truly think that having one of the [censored] primarchs being a squat is the greatest timeline.

If no one is seriously going to do it, I'm seriously going to do it.
 
I am totally in for this, I like the manpower/fleet points as it ties into Forgeworlds that were specced and could usually build only a few things based on what recovered tech that had found and shared via the Adeptus Mechanicus. Gonna be interesting!
 
One of the ideas I was pondering that the grave sin my primarch commited was....suicide. Basically taking a look at this grimdarkness of the far future and a fate that made him choose between being a mindless tool for an uncaring father to live a live in slaughter or rebelling and thus potentially dooming their own species and sons to oblivion.
It would make sense to me that the big E would not like people seeing that sort of despair among the higher ranks and would also explain why Roboute and Rogal wanted to have them erased from their memory considering how much "do your duty even when in doubt" they are.
 
One of the ideas I was pondering that the grave sin my primarch commited was....suicide. Basically taking a look at this grimdarkness of the far future and a fate that made him choose between being a mindless tool for an uncaring father to live a live in slaughter or rebelling and thus potentially dooming their own species and sons to oblivion.
It would make sense to me that the big E would not like people seeing that sort of despair among the higher ranks and would also explain why Roboute and Rogal wanted to have them erased from their memory considering how much "do your duty even when in doubt" they are.
Attempted suicide or did you want to play a warpghost or something?
 
No one else wants to play as Guilliman.
You lack vision.

After all, Theoretical, the galaxy and more specifically humanities existence is at threat.

Practical solution is to form a regional hegemony to act as a means of reducing Xenos threats and preventing outright domination by rival human empires of a more self-destructive nature.

Looks at Angron and Kurze...
 
I mean as Pert I will build an space empire like ultramar... just with more blocky architecture and minefields. Just as the emperor intended.
 
Back
Top