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Why? I mean, two millenia of development didn't turn up anything better than a spoon for eating soup with. Or anything better than the wheel for allowing large vehicles to move smoothly in contact with the ground using a minimum of traction force. Or anything unambiguously better than textiles made out of woven threads for general-purpose garments.

MANY problems find radically different and better solutions as technology advances (radio versus telegraphy versus carry stuff around on a horse for communications). Some problems find incremental advances that improve the technology a great deal but don't cause a difference in kind (wheels and textiles). And some problems don't find better solutions at all (spoons).

Well, the field of communications technology may just not be the natural target for this kind of development?
Humor me that it is, or if you find that impossible, remember the telegraph-->radio transition. Communication technology historically admits of radical advancements on the relevant time scale, and I shall depict it as such in play. Radical advancements arise when a technology has critical bottlenecks in performance that different methods can bridge in superior manner. Spoons (or, more pertinently, the field of table utensils as a whole) admit(s) of no such advancements because it's hard to improve on, "hold food while conveying it to mouth," when you have a technology that already does this for trained operators with little room for error. Wheels and textiles are specific technologies and not technological fields on the scale which we are discussing. Communications technology (including radios, telegraphs, and couriers) changes radically, historically speaking, as new technologies address matters of speed, ease of use, reliability, and bandwidth that earlier techs could not match.

Thus it is, has been, and thus -- here -- shall be.
 
something else to consider, this is a defense platform. Something designed to be as cheap and subtle as a cinder block. Why waste build time and space with a laser comm system? what are the odds of needing that? If they ever had one I could see them being stripped out when we took the action to make these platforms more economical.

You would need to communicate with the outside if an emergency happens, you need to send secure data or tie into a command network to corrdinate fire and send sensor data to units that you can see but friendlies as well as get status reports in friendly and hostiles.

In the case of the lump we are on we would need it to keep the fleet informed of what the hell is happening.

Bad comes cause confusion, confusion cause chaos which leads to death.
 
MANY problems find radically different and better solutions as technology advances (radio versus telegraphy versus carry stuff around on a horse for communications). Some problems find incremental advances that improve the technology a great deal but don't cause a difference in kind (wheels and textiles). And some problems don't find better solutions at all (spoons).

He has a point there. Ship-scale short range laser comms are the first useful thing you can do with a laser. You just rip out the standard flashlight/lamp system you were using to send blink code and mount your brand new crappy laser module in its place. They almost have to be the first box in the Laser tech tree.

That said, they aren't all that secret until you get good enough that you can accurately link up to a dedicated receiver and prevent any splash back that your opponents can read with their sensors. So while not having Laser comms seems damn odd, not having laser comms secure enough to use secretly is totally a thing, and would be several levels higher on the tech tree.

Frankly, normal comms with freshly updated frequency hopping & encryption sets should be more than secure enough for any transmissions in the situation.
 
I know hatchets haven't changed; I'm not discussing the metaphorical hatchet. I'm discussing the metaphorical field of weapons development as a whole. Hatchets have not fundamentally changed because the design of hatchets is good for the purpose, and to fundamentally change them would make them not be hatchets. For instance, one could make them, instead of sticks with sharp blades on, be hollow tubes which project metal projectiles via the controlled ignition of gunpowder mixtures.

But then you don't have a hatchet. You have a gun. Different technology, one not produced by iterative improvements on the hatchet. And one which has supplanted the hatchet in the modern warrior's arsenal. Again, new inventions within a field, rather than iterative improvements somehow producing a radically different product. What I'm trying to figure out is the equivalent of the gun in this scenario; because presently, where humans in the relevant time span will be busy with polearms, longbows, crossbows, arquebuses, muskets, rifles, machine guns, aircraft, and the nuke, in the rest of the galaxy, it's metaphorical hatchets all the way down, for two thousand years.

I'm sure that if I had a telegraph machine built, I'd find it little changed from when they were still in wide use even if I gave the designer leave to make it the most pimped-out telegraph machine the world has ever seen or will ever see.

But who the hell would use a telegraph machine when they have a cell phone?

Thus, my request for metaphorical longbows and machine guns. Something to make the people of the galaxy cleave neatly and believably to, "not blibbering idiots."

On the other hand, I could always nerf your research rolls to conform to that pacing. I suppose personal barriers might have shown up a millennium or so early...:evil:

Because I refuse to believe that two millennia of development turned up nothing that worked even better.

If you remember not only did people use Ezzo to be lazy and short cut shit, but also the Asari with their Promethean VI with a tech library decided to do all that they could to slow the technological advance of the galaxy. It helped that whenever someone improved something to make their tech better then the Asari the Asari came out with tech just slightly better then the advance. No one can say they're not masterful social engineers, of course with the truth our after ME3 their entire race will likely be blamed for the technological crawl, KNOWING about the Reapers from the VI and doing nothing.
 
My unreserved apologies to @pbluekan.
It's not like either of us really knew. It was a legitimate difference of opinion that couldn't be verified from the extant info, so no apology necessary, but thanks anyway! I'm just glad it worked out and we lucked into proper prep.

[X] Shoot first, shoot often. Sucker punch the Lystheni with an all-out assault. You possess the advantage of quality. An alpha strike could easily burn half of the Lystheni's ships before they get their engines started, and secure the battle.
 
Sometimes you just hit a physical limit and the laws of physics say you can't do better. For example, there's actually a hard capped limit for how many transistors could fit on a silicon microchip...

There's no way around this. It's a fundamental law of physics preventing us from increasing the density of transistors on a microchip. Now, you could make a bigger microchip, you could make them 3D, you could develop a better algorithm to make more effective use of transistors, but you cannot add more. Doing so will destroy the chip.
To be fair, 3D chip designs have tremendous potential for improvement if we can figure out how to keep them cool, which I don't know enough about to comment on.

Quantum Entanglement communicators could be that paradigm shift from laser coms. There's no reason to think that the laws of physics will simply continue to let technology improve. They don't have to be that convenient. Some things may be flat out impossible because of how the universe works.
Well, to add context to this, there can still be a lot of room for improvement within "this is the best physics will let you do" technologies. Just as 'woven textiles' turn out to have remained the optimal or near-optimal solution for "how will I clothe my nudity" for the past five thousand years, but there have been enormous advances in the comfort, quality, cost, and ease of manufacture of the textiles in question.

Comm lasers present similar opportunities. Improve your signal processing and you improve the effective range (more sensitive receivers). Build a better laser that is more compact or works on different principles (e.g. diode lasers) and you improve the portability, reliability, or other virtues of the system. Improve the software and hardware that modulates the laser and you get better bandwidth. And so on.

But... you're still using a laser for communications, just as we still in most places use combustion to cook our food (though yes electric ranges and microwaves have become options, just now, in the past century or so out of the thousand or more centuries we've been cooking over fires).

Well see-

I was gonna do a huge song and dance about needing specific optics to catch specific bandwidths otherwise you're basically trying to get the mk1 eyeball to see infrared, but your comment above basically nails the point i was trying to make. Yes it can be done, but over the expected distances that platforms operate, they need a large comm array in order to hit the wide gamut of the EM spectrum they'd be expected to need in order to coordinate efforts with both local and planetary forces. As such, if that array starts to move, yous gonna notice.
Uhh... not necessarily?

I mean, you need an optical sensor array on the cruiser that scans the sky rapidly, looking for light of a known wavelength that isn't associated with 'white' light of other wavelengths. You know what wavelength the station will be transmitting on, so you can code that in advance. This isn't a trivial problem, but it's a problem we could solve right now if we needed to. It'd impose some limitations, granted- if you're sending a message, it takes the target time to notice it's being flashed at and turn to look in your direction, and you have to make allowances.

On the other hand, there's really no good reason for the cruiser's crew to not keep a camera constantly pointed at the station under these circumstances, so that might not even be a factor here with a professional team on the receiving end.

also, powering a 1MW laser for communication purposes so you can update a ship on the tactical situation it needs to resolve is still a helluva draw on power. (for lasers, power is bandwidth, so higher w/o burning things is better for communicating more w/ fewer packets)
True, but on the other hand...

Space-Based Laser Communications Break Threshold | Optics & Photonics News

This is kiiind of a solved problem. We can do, today, several hundred megabytes per second from the Moon to the Earth, using a laser transmitter that uses ninety watts and weighs about thirty kilograms. The biggest problem NASA has is receiving laser signals from its satellites through clouds, and that is one problem we do NOT have.

Given that our ships are more or less within gun range of one another, they aren't going to be THAT much farther apart than the Earth and the Moon; maybe as much as ten times but not, credibly speaking, hundreds of times. The power requirements for the lasers in question, given even generous assumptions and 2025-era technology, just shouldn't be that serious. I can believe that the technology doesn't fit in a handheld or conveniently man-portable unit, but it's very much doable and doesn't require anything like megawatts unless we're shouting to a myopic sensor platform somewhere around the orbit of Pluto or something goofy like that. ;)

this I'll grant, it is very much like the wheel. At the same time, if you're looking for a vehicle's approach in a Mexican standoff you're very much listening for the sounds of wheels and internal combustion. IE, you can also look for the reflections of the laser off the side of the CL, and go 'Ah HA! the station is communicating with the Virmireans!' just the fact that the conversation is taking place says a lot. light scatter is a cruel mistress
Not untrue, and under present circumstances they might be looking for exactly that, and might even see it if they luck out on the angles of reflection (but not if they don't).

something else to consider, this is a defense platform. Something designed to be as cheap and subtle as a cinder block. Why waste build time and space with a laser comm system? what are the odds of needing that? If they ever had one I could see them being stripped out when we took the action to make these platforms more economical.
Because it is a highly reliable and secure means of communication and you REALLY need at least one of those on any given fortified weapons platform. A gun platform you can't talk to is far, far less useful than a gun platform you can.

Humor me that it is, or if you find that impossible, remember the telegraph-->radio transition. Communication technology historically admits of radical advancements on the relevant time scale, and I shall depict it as such in play. Radical advancements arise when a technology has critical bottlenecks in performance that different methods can bridge in superior manner. Spoons (or, more pertinently, the field of table utensils as a whole) admit(s) of no such advancements because it's hard to improve on, "hold food while conveying it to mouth," when you have a technology that already does this for trained operators with little room for error. Wheels and textiles are specific technologies and not technological fields on the scale which we are discussing. Communications technology (including radios, telegraphs, and couriers) changes radically, historically speaking, as new technologies address matters of speed, ease of use, reliability, and bandwidth that earlier techs could not match.

Thus it is, has been, and thus -- here -- shall be.
By that logic you're asking me for a dozen or more transformational breakthroughs in the basic operating principles of communications, and the evidence for that in Mass Effect just plain is not there. There simply are not a dozen plausible intermediate steps as radical as the transition from voice-and-memory to written-messages to express-couriers to telegraph to radio to laser-and-fiberoptic.

I get why you want to be humored- you're trying to posit that:

1) Scientific research has been pursued as vigorously in Mass Effect as for the last few centuries on Earth, and that
2) Research has been as fruitful, in that society, in relative terms- that is, Citadel civilization can get as much reward per year of labor by its best minds as Earth has gotten over the past few centuries.

But honestly, I don't see why we should assume (2) is true. Or if (2) is true, (1) almost certainly isn't. Maybe the asari don't bother to push the limits of the possible because they're incremental thinkers and their Prothean beacon tech is better than anything they can invent in the short term, and nobody else bothers because every time they trot out an improved model of anything, the asari just trot out the improved improved model.

Moreover, even if both propositions are true in some or even most areas, they don't have to be true in literally all areas. Communications historically has been an area of rapid progress from 1800 to today, but that doesn't mean that all progress somehow comes to a screeching halt forever if communications specifically stops advancing because it got so good, so fast, that no one needs or can imagine major improvements.
 
Humor me that it is, or if you find that impossible, remember the telegraph-->radio transition

It could be that EM band communication is a mature-ish technology. I don't think anyone, including yourself, is arguing that laser comms are in use. I'm trying to argue that the kind of tight beam laser that would make that communication unnoticed doesn't exist (yet). an IRL example is the lunar retro reflectors: there's a system of mirrors on the moon that if you shine a powerful enough laser at the moon you'll get a response.. the problem is, the lasers that we have hit over half the moon, and if you have passive sensors tuned to detect long wavelength reflections coming from a specific direction, you'll see that someone shot a comm laser at your target. Not super useful in a battle, but helps narrow down the command vessels/if someone's calling for help during your Mexican standoff

A way around that is to up the power of the laser, and/or narrow the focus of the beam. IE the laser used to detect gravity waves is one the order of football fields in length to get the beam super tight... for 4km

so... better knowledge of eezo would possibly allow for refinement of the comm laserbeam, or allow for more power to be channeled into the laser

Communications technology (including radios, telegraphs, and couriers) changes radically, historically speaking, as new technologies address matters of speed, ease of use, reliability, and bandwidth that earlier techs could not match.

to play devil's advocate here, apparently semaphore (communicating with flags for those not in the know) was used up until WW2, and had been in use for about 1000 years. Sure encryption methods changed, telescopes increased semaphore's effective range etc, but it was still a viable method of communication.
 
True, but on the other hand...
... ya know.. i have no idea why my arguements seemed to be leaning towards 'you can't communicate with other ships w/in system' considering we did exactly that w/ the 3RWF when we came to their rescue.

my more salient point was that we couldn't assume that we can communicate with our attendant fleet without it being obvious that we're communicating w/ our attendant fleet.

reasoning:
methinks if they see us using laser comms (better than 2/3 chance imo, reducing hits to glancing blows != stealth lines and waaaay more important) they'll be expecting to hear a response from their dalatrass too. that'll give our guys a few seconds to get in position to blast the hell out of the Lystheni. but that's all we'll get (could be all we need, we'll see). the amount of room you need to refine a laser beam is constant, and there's no way we could have hidden kit like that on a nominally standard defense platform.
 
Because it is a highly reliable and secure means of communication and you REALLY need at least one of those on any given fortified weapons platform. A gun platform you can't talk to is far, far less useful than a gun platform you can.

use radio. I mean, we took an option specifically to strip these things down to the bone to make them as cheap as possible. I can see laser comms being stripped out along with the larger rec rooms and dozens of other useful but not cost effective systems simply because the rachni don't use heavy ECM so it was not needed.
 
By that logic you're asking me for a dozen or more transformational breakthroughs in the basic operating principles of communications, and the evidence for that in Mass Effect just plain is not there. There simply are not a dozen plausible intermediate steps as radical as the transition from voice-and-memory to written-messages to express-couriers to telegraph to radio to laser-and-fiberoptic.

I get why you want to be humored- you're trying to posit that:

1) Scientific research has been pursued as vigorously in Mass Effect as for the last few centuries on Earth, and that
2) Research has been as fruitful, in that society, in relative terms- that is, Citadel civilization can get as much reward per year of labor by its best minds as Earth has gotten over the past few centuries.

But honestly, I don't see why we should assume (2) is true. Or if (2) is true, (1) almost certainly isn't. Maybe the asari don't bother to push the limits of the possible because they're incremental thinkers and their Prothean beacon tech is better than anything they can invent in the short term, and nobody else bothers because every time they trot out an improved model of anything, the asari just trot out the improved improved model.

Moreover, even if both propositions are true in some or even most areas, they don't have to be true in literally all areas. Communications historically has been an area of rapid progress from 1800 to today, but that doesn't mean that all progress somehow comes to a screeching halt forever if communications specifically stops advancing because it got so good, so fast, that no one needs or can imagine major improvements.

It could be that EM band communication is a mature-ish technology. I don't think anyone, including yourself, is arguing that laser comms are in use. I'm trying to argue that the kind of tight beam laser that would make that communication unnoticed doesn't exist (yet). an IRL example is the lunar retro reflectors: there's a system of mirrors on the moon that if you shine a powerful enough laser at the moon you'll get a response.. the problem is, the lasers that we have hit over half the moon, and if you have passive sensors tuned to detect long wavelength reflections coming from a specific direction, you'll see that someone shot a comm laser at your target. Not super useful in a battle, but helps narrow down the command vessels/if someone's calling for help during your Mexican standoff

A way around that is to up the power of the laser, and/or narrow the focus of the beam. IE the laser used to detect gravity waves is one the order of football fields in length to get the beam super tight... for 4km

so... better knowledge of eezo would possibly allow for refinement of the comm laserbeam, or allow for more power to be channeled into the laser



to play devil's advocate here, apparently semaphore (communicating with flags for those not in the know) was used up until WW2, and had been in use for about 1000 years. Sure encryption methods changed, telescopes increased semaphore's effective range etc, but it was still a viable method of communication.
Okay. Final counterpoint: it is late, I am tired, I find this argument uninteresting, and your points have not convinced me. Your counterpoints list some of the radical improvements people have made to communications technology. There are two thousand years to cover where I have to say, "and yeah, in between harnessing antimatter for our ship engines and perfecting AI generation to the point where random coders regularly do it by accident, not a single person has looked into anything newer in communications technology." I don't need a lot. I need something. I find it personally unbelievable that two thousand years could go by in a society with Space Age-quality research with no communications advancements when Stone-to-Bronze-to-Iron-to-you-get-the-idea-Age humans up to the modern day came up with couriers, carrier pigeons, semaphore, telegraph, radio, and lasers.

You can state final arguments, and if you are supremely convincing, you might even convince me to do this terribly uninteresting thing, but beyond that I'm too tired to continue.
@PoptartProdigy would it be possible to get specs for our ship classes at some point in the future so we know how they are equipped, crewed and armed?
That's a fair bit below the level of abstraction. May I ask why?
Gravity-wave transmitters across a mass effect channel.
Tachyons.
Quantum-tunnelling radio.
Ultrawave/hyperwave/subspace radio/pick your technobabble.
Now this, I can use (not the quantum, that has a set emergence point, but everything else, yes please).
 
Okay. Final counterpoint: it is late, I am tired, I find this argument uninteresting, and your points have not convinced me. Your counterpoints list some of the radical improvements people have made to communications technology. There are two thousand years to cover where I have to say, "and yeah, in between harnessing antimatter for our ship engines and perfecting AI generation to the point where random coders regularly do it by accident, not a single person has looked into anything newer in communications technology." I don't need a lot. I need something. I find it personally unbelievable that two thousand years could go by in a society with Space Age-quality research with no communications advancements when Stone-to-Bronze-to-Iron-to-you-get-the-idea-Age humans up to the modern day came up with couriers, carrier pigeons, semaphore, telegraph, radio, and lasers.

You can state final arguments, and if you are supremely convincing, you might even convince me to do this terribly uninteresting thing, but beyond that I'm too tired to continue.

Poptart, my counterargument is as follows:

Mass Effect communications laser technology, even in the time of the Rachni Wars, should not be worse than what exists today in real life. It is an extremely obvious and beneficial thing for the peoples of Mass Effect to have, it is no harder to build than many other things they have in abundance such as computers. They should have it.

Whether or not that leaves disappointingly few rungs on the 'ladder' of technological advances from "Rachni War era" to "game era," I cannot comment on; my ultimate argument is that the believability of the setting's Rachni War tech base matters more than having lots of rungs on that ladder. Especially since we cannot plausibly put enough rungs on the ladder, without a great deal of totally made up tech that appears nowhere else in Mass Effect, for it to take anything less than several centuries to climb each rung in any event.

I mean, we could say that the only form of communications available is handwritten notes delivered by shuttlecraft, that would certainly leave lots of room for improvement... but it would also strain suspension of disbelief far beyond the breaking point. It would be, as it were, hanging a lampshade on the concept of a 'tech tree,' rather than making the tech tree a natural, organic outgrowth of the game setting.

So that is my argument for the laser communicators. They should at least be as good as in real life, and that's good enough to enable ship-to-ship communications, although not necessarily untraceable, undetectable communications. That is all. Beyond "comm lasers should be as good as in real life," let the chips fall where they may.

...

If beyond that, your argument is "give me something," I shall try. My question is:

Do you want me making up stuff that isn't mentioned elsewhere in Mass Effect canon? Because by and large Mass Effect uses hard-ish SF, plus the mass effect itself; there aren't a lot of technobabblium exotic particles and forces in play. I'll give it some thought. The most promising line of development would be gravity-pulse communications generated via mass effect fields, since those follow logically out of technological advances in other areas, and have advantages, but also have disadvantages that prevent them from entirely replacing radio and laser, or later from making quantum entanglement comms unnecessary.

That's a fair bit below the level of abstraction. May I ask why?
Purely speculatively, because it's easier for us to help you craft a tech tree that's believable and grounded in real science and Mass Effect canon if we know what you want to attribute to the galaxy during the Rachni War era?

Now this, I can use (not the quantum, that has a set emergence point, but everything else, yes please).
As noted, mass-effect gravity pulse communications are a believable intermediate step that fits within Mass Effect's technological milieu, but could very easily/believably be made totally obsolete by the rise of quantum entanglement devices.

Ultrawave/subspace/whatever is less good for this because it doesn't have a basis elsewhere in canon; it'd be a pure OC imposition upon the setting. We might as well posit Jedi knights using the Force to communicate or something.

use radio. I mean, we took an option specifically to strip these things down to the bone to make them as cheap as possible. I can see laser comms being stripped out along with the larger rec rooms and dozens of other useful but not cost effective systems simply because the rachni don't use heavy ECM so it was not needed.
The thing is, there's saving money by being cost-effective, and there's saving money by being "penny wise, pound foolish." These platforms have fusion reactors, barrier generators, and so on. The extra cost of a secure, reliable, unjammable communication system without which all the rest of the platform's equipment may be useless... isn't much.

It's like leaving the headlights off your car to save money. Unwise, at best.
 
Poptart, my counterargument is as follows:

Mass Effect communications laser technology, even in the time of the Rachni Wars, should not be worse than what exists today in real life. It is an extremely obvious and beneficial thing for the peoples of Mass Effect to have, it is no harder to build than many other things they have in abundance such as computers. They should have it.

Whether or not that leaves disappointingly few rungs on the 'ladder' of technological advances from "Rachni War era" to "game era," I cannot comment on; my ultimate argument is that the believability of the setting's Rachni War tech base matters more than having lots of rungs on that ladder. Especially since we cannot plausibly put enough rungs on the ladder, without a great deal of totally made up tech that appears nowhere else in Mass Effect, for it to take anything less than several centuries to climb each rung in any event.

I mean, we could say that the only form of communications available is handwritten notes delivered by shuttlecraft, that would certainly leave lots of room for improvement... but it would also strain suspension of disbelief far beyond the breaking point. It would be, as it were, hanging a lampshade on the concept of a 'tech tree,' rather than making the tech tree a natural, organic outgrowth of the game setting.

So that is my argument for the laser communicators. They should at least be as good as in real life, and that's good enough to enable ship-to-ship communications, although not necessarily untraceable, undetectable communications. That is all. Beyond "comm lasers should be as good as in real life," let the chips fall where they may.
I have not been arguing that for quite some time beyond, "it's this or give me something," so sure, granted in principle.
If beyond that, your argument is "give me something," I shall try. My question is:

Do you want me making up stuff that isn't mentioned elsewhere in Mass Effect canon? Because by and large Mass Effect uses hard-ish SF, plus the mass effect itself; there aren't a lot of technobabblium exotic particles and forces in play. I'll give it some thought. The most promising line of development would be gravity-pulse communications generated via mass effect fields, since those follow logically out of technological advances in other areas, and have advantages, but also have disadvantages that prevent them from entirely replacing radio and laser, or later from making quantum entanglement comms unnecessary.
With this, I can work.
 
That's a fair bit below the level of abstraction. May I ask why?

So we can have a better idea of what our ships are capable of so when we need to do military actions we know which ship class would be best suited to the job and also so we have an idea of how would could improve our ships to get the most out of them because in blue fleets each class builds on the previous ones
 
Okay. Final counterpoint: it is late, I am tired, I find this argument uninteresting, and your points have not convinced me
I started trying to say, everyone should be able to use tight beam, thus we should be able to be all sneaky.

But then I realized that other people know what to look for if tight beam is used, so we can't be sneaky, and then communicated poorly because it's 1am and I'm a bit buzzed.

Basically, you had the right idea all along, and I was trying to articulate reasons why (poorly)
 
one thing I feel should be pointed out is that citadel space is now or shortly after the rachni war a stagnant society with very little advancements in technology
 
Eh, you can make similar arguments about the internal combustion engine. Hell, even SpaceX isn't doing much new. Just leaving some extra fuel in the tank with some advanced computers
 
Lasers... really, really should not be bulky and hard to use like that, it's a reasonably mature technology NOW and the main reason we don't have laser communicators for spaceships is that we don't have spaceships to put them on that need to talk to each other that way. Also, they are totally subject to light speed lag.
We will have Laser coms to talk to between spaceships (or rather satellites) by the end of the year.
 
Having somewhat tight-beam communication over interplanetary distances with moving targets is quite a feat in itself. Because you have to continuously hit the target although light-speed delay is in effect.
 
Having somewhat tight-beam communication over interplanetary distances with moving targets is quite a feat in itself. Because you have to continuously hit the target although light-speed delay is in effect.

Actually, that's a good point. You can communicate via lasers all you want when your ships are stationary, but what will you do in battle, when everyone is randomly evading? If your bandwidth is too low, then you cannot transmit enough information before your recipient maneuvers to not-die-from-flying-rock. This makes laser comms practical for civilian use, but impractical as the primary means of communication in combat. Therefore, you are forced yo use something else - be that encrypted omnidirectional radio or whatever. With radical improvement of laser comms' bandwidth you need much less time to transmit relevant information and thus can use them in combat (and since they are directional, this is an upgrade - enemy doesn't know when you communicate). That's your tech upgrade, @PoptartProdigy
 
Curiosity question?

How likely is it that Vermir will develop a sizeable permanent Quarian population over the next few years/decades? Chances are they're not going to be going home for a long while and I doubt we'd turn them away?
 
Curiosity question?

How likely is it that Vermir will develop a sizeable permanent Quarian population over the next few years/decades? Chances are they're not going to be going home for a long while and I doubt we'd turn them away?

Impossible to say. It depends entirely on how long we will stay cut off from the rest of the galaxy, how the gender ratio of the Quarian warfleet is looking, whether their Admiral is ordering all of them on contraceptives, if they are patriotic enough to want their children to grow up as part of the Republic of Rannoch etc. Basically a factor of politics and war, both of which are hardly predictable at the moment.

All i think we can say is that it is less likely to happen now that we gave them the concession of still technically belonging to the Republic of Rannoch.
 
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So we can have a better idea of what our ships are capable of so when we need to do military actions we know which ship class would be best suited to the job and also so we have an idea of how would could improve our ships to get the most out of them because in blue fleets each class builds on the previous ones
Uh... we kind of already know that. And it's assumed that our scientists and engineers are designing their ships as well as possible for their doctrinal roles. We know capital ships and to a lesser extent cruisers are mainly for fighting, while frigates and corvettes are for screening and scouting. Corvettes are tiny and lightly armed, relevant mainly insofar as they launch torpedoes. Frigates are multirole. And so on.

Actually, that's a good point. You can communicate via lasers all you want when your ships are stationary, but what will you do in battle, when everyone is randomly evading? If your bandwidth is too low, then you cannot transmit enough information before your recipient maneuvers to not-die-from-flying-rock.
Given that the scale of the dodging maneuvers is single-digit kilometers, maybe double-digit, it's actually not that hard to just 'shotgun' your laser pulses all across the entire general volume that the friendly ship can possibly occupy. You could maintain communications, even if there'd be occasional gaps and breaks when someone did something truly unexpected.

So... I don't really think that's a problem.
 
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