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Seeing as exhaustion and burnout are, presumably, a thing for every species: either their fission rituals rejuvenate them or setting aside leisure time and space would increase their productivity on a large time- and manpower-scale.
Can't Salarians get by on one hour of sleep per day? Even still, they must get fatigued.

So... maybe Indoctrination? Found some Reaper mind-melting artifact on SO4?

Also worth noting for anyone dreaming of conquest, we currently can't project our Army, at all.
 
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Considering that fission is all about splitting atoms and releasing neutrons, perhaps they are attempting to manufacture eezo through that process. Granted, it's formed from various objects being hit from a supernova, but it's not likely they're going to be able to replicate that process anytime soon.
 
Can't Salarians get by on one hour of sleep per day? Even still, they must get fatigued.

So... maybe Indoctrination? Found some Reaper mind-melting artifact on SO4?

Also worth noting for anyone dreaming of conquest, we currently can't project our Army, at all.
who needs the army when you can demand surrender from space and bombard everyone that refuses?
 
Hit them with everything PUBLICLY, then demand answers, and access to the artifacts to advance our war fighting ability. Along with an explanation as to what the fuck they think their doing. We have a few small task forces in key place to keep them from running or breaking evidence.

If we get answers we go from there, if they try some shit we slap them down take the daltress into custody and find out what she is up to on our own.
 
Maybe they are trying to solve their short life span problem with help of precursor tech that involves fission somehow. Or they are making neturon bomb or dirty bomb in fear of invasion.
 
We don't use fission. Nobody uses fission! Fission is obsolete! Even if the Lystheni really are that far behind, why keep working on fission when they have working examples of controlled fusion right at hand?"
If my Honorverse knowledge didn't fail me, one of the reason can be fuel problem.
Fusion reactors need to refuel regularily. Fission reactors need to be 'refuel' about once in decade. Quite useful for long-time surveying and infiltration missions.

"Whatever they're working on, it has a large and rotating personnel requirement. The probe saw ships constantly coming and going the entire time it was there, loading and offloading people. We're talking about-" gshk "-a significant segment of their entire estimated population."
...Okay, I don't have explanations for this.
Ominous.
 
@PoptartProdigy Have our ground agents noted, ah, increasing signs of cyber mods appearing amongst the Lystheni? Especially on return from these fission stations. Maybe... I dunno... a more than usual preference for glowing-eye cosmetics, or even circuitry pattern style skin grafts or suchlike?

No particular reason for asking. Just idle curiosity.
 
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So basically their society should by most reasonable measure be falling apart at the seems due to overwork if nothing else (the massive over centralisation should probably be a problem too)...and they're dicks.

Ok what evidence do we have for a Casus Belli?

Like proper evidence that would hold up in an international space court?
 
If my Honorverse knowledge didn't fail me, one of the reason can be fuel problem.
Fusion reactors need to refuel regularily. Fission reactors need to be 'refuel' about once in decade. Quite useful for long-time surveying and infiltration missions.

Fused Deuterium has an energy density of 87,900,000 MJ/kg.
Fissioned Uranium (in a breeder reactor) has an energy density of 80,620,000 MJ/kg.

Now, hydrogen is less dense than uranium, but even that shouldn't make too much of a difference. Spacefaring civilizations probably know how to liquify and compress hydrogen.

Like proper evidence that would hold up in an international space court?

We can easily manufacture an incident. Send a fleet to investigate/board the station. We're justified to do that because the Lystheni broke their treaty, and obviously we want to figure out what they're doing.

If the station is as important as ominous as some think it is, either they'll start the war to protect it, or we'll find evidence for our casus belli there. If it's not bad, then there's no reason for war.
 
We can easily manufacture an incident. Send a fleet to investigate/board the station. We're justified to do that because the Lystheni broke their treaty, and obviously we want to figure out what they're doing.

If the station is as important as ominous as some think it is, either they'll start the war to protect it, or we'll find evidence for our casus belli there. If it's not bad, then there's no reason for war.
This is going to sound awkward to say, but can we justify us knowing that it exists?

Cause we know about it cause we spied on them right?

And of course they spied on us (probably first), but still concern.
 
Signs are BAD. Whatever they are doing, it will not turn out well for us.

Main question we face is whether we can actually go diplomatic route with them and turn them into real ally. From what I can see - it's very doubtful. They do personify all worst traits of Salarian. Amoral. Deceitful. And backstabbing.

They have already become a problem, and one that will only grow bigger more time will pass.

The best move may be to just crush them here and now, when we still have advantage - because we will lose it in future. They are NOT fighting Rachni. They are NOT helping. It allows them to grow without strain that war places on us. And we know that the first moment they are strong enough, they will try to put pressure on us and start to demand things.

My proposition:

INTERNAL: full disclosure of Lystheni crimes.
- covertly building fleet when Virmire is bleeding to stop Rachni
- theft of ship design
- espionage operations
- violation of established borders, and theft of prothean technology

General rethorics, of Lystheni using Virmine blood and goodwill to spy, undermine and actively work against Virmire interests. Play on emotions, on betrayal, and portray them as backstabbing, deceitfull bastards (which is basically true)

EXTRERNAL: crush them via military action
- no negotiation, no warning
- seizure of facility
- 'Blitz war'. Use as much as possible at all to spare - gain owerwhelming advantage and crush them.

FUTURE
- establish less totalitarian and more open goverment
- tighten ties and start trade full-bore
- get goodwill of population by actually giving them better lives (I doubt they have that now, hobbled by paranoia and restrictions placed by paranoia. Plus whatever is happening with population within facility is likely horrifying)

Edit: spelling.
 
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This is going to sound awkward to say, but can we justify us knowing that it exists?

Cause we know about it cause we spied on them right?

And of course they spied on us (probably first), but still concern.
Something something Scout ship picked up signals in a nearby system. Hell, that's pretty much how we learned they existed in the first place.
 
I think we should look into grabbing some Lystheni dna, it shouldn't be too hard, they must produce some word of waste or shed skin while Coming to trade.

I suspect at the very least some intense eugenics going on, probably some genemods too.
 
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What are the terms of the neutral zone again?

I mean, a neutral zone without anything that allowed either side to monitor is pointless, so their must be some way we can "accidentally" stumble upon them.
I dunno.

We both stay out of this space, when we enter we announce it?

Signs are BAD. Whatever they are doing, it will not turn out well for us.
The question is will this end with zombies bad, or just boom bad.

- violation of established borders, and theft of prothean technology
They also took our ship designs without asking.

Something something Scout ship picked up signals in a nearby system. Hell, that's pretty much how we learned they existed in the first place.
I suppose, though how we justify sending a big enough fleet that they would be disinclined to shoot...and we'd be certain to win...

I mean we could just send a battlecrusier, but we need em fighting?
 
My more benign theory is that they're using fission power for high-power usage mechanical implants. Which is still weird to me, but I guess it's more compact than fusion? Maybe?
 
@PoptartProdigy

Did the probe get any soild readings on the state of the Star, and if so, dose it show any significant difference from other stars of the same stellar class? I mean, there has to be a reason the precursor stations were studying the star.

I'm pretty sure I know why they are studying the star.
 
My more benign theory is that they're using fission power for high-power usage mechanical implants. Which is still weird to me, but I guess it's more compact than fusion? Maybe?
So what, they need their entire population rotated through for recharging?
I'm not really sure how practical would be, the ships that bring them there would probably
have reactors powerful enough to do that.
 
Need to hold the ground and warships aren't exactly good for hunting guerrillas are they.
umm no we dont it would not be a war of conquest but eliminating a threat, make the planet uninhabitable if they are going to fight endlessly, and keep bombarding for awhile till the planet is a lava planet for good measure.
 
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umm no we dont it would not be a war of conquest but eliminating a threat, make the planet uninhabitable, and keep bombarding for awhile till the planet is a lava planet for good measure.

So your saying you want everyone to consider Virmire a rogue state if you try this shit because that is a good way to piss off everyone.
 
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So what, they need their entire population rotated through for recharging?
I'm not really sure how practical would be, the ships that bring them there would probably
have reactors powerful enough to do that.
I was thinking more that this was the location where the implants/power plants for the implants get made and, well, implanted.
 
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