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Well, if they try to do that, then we declare independence. If they try to do that now, we'd be well justified.
 
Rakuhn said:
It is very simple. We'd be the ones initiating the political bullshit, and the council will want to shut us down before any other members get any "bright" ideas. The council doesn't want colonies to be declaring independence in the middle of a war for their survival. If they defend us after we become independent, they will be encouraging their members to withhold resources from the war. If instead they allow us to be destroyed after we become independent, they will have an excellent demonstration as to why all of their members need to remain united.
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What is the Council actually going to do about it? There's a bunch of space locusts between them and us, and our military is growing. We're economically independent from them already, to the point of self sufficiently, so sanctions aren't going to work well even after they establish a reliable route for trade. They aren't going to want to try a military solution, because they are already in a galactic war and they can't afford the losses to fight a non-hostile colony they already wrote off. And what's more, we have justification because they abandoned us to die, and that would be something that the vast majority of other colonies would not have. As long as we're generally friendly beyond the matter of independence, they really don't have much reason to try aggressive moves against us.

For benefits, I will point out that we are acting as a sovereign power and claiming territory beyond Virmire. If we are maintaining our status as a colony under Council rule, what guarantee do we have that they will recognize those claims instead of taking control away from us? If we're independent, trying that would be tantamount to declaring war, which they won't want to do.

Another thing to consider is that if we're independent now and are successful as a larger polity, then the prospect of us rejoining is a viable card to play with them. We could get concessions we otherwise would not, like perhaps an embassy on the Citadel, allowing our polity to have more pull over the Council in the long run.

But to get that, we need to be independent before we physically reconnect with Council controlled space.
 
Enjou said:
What is the Council actually going to do about it? There's a bunch of space locusts between them and us, and our military is growing. We're economically independent from them already, to the point of self sufficiently, so sanctions aren't going to work well even after they establish a reliable route for trade. They aren't going to want to try a military solution, because they are already in a galactic war and they can't afford the losses to fight a non-hostile colony they already wrote off. And what's more, we have justification because they abandoned us to die, and that would be something that the vast majority of other colonies would not have. As long as we're generally friendly beyond the matter of independence, they really don't have much reason to try aggressive moves against us.

For benefits, I will point out that we are acting as a sovereign power and claiming territory beyond Virmire. If we are maintaining our status as a colony under Council rule, what guarantee do we have that they will recognize those claims instead of taking control away from us? If we're independent, trying that would be tantamount to declaring war, which they won't want to do.

Another thing to consider is that if we're independent now and are successful as a larger polity, then the prospect of us rejoining is a viable card to play with them. We could get concessions we otherwise would not, like perhaps an embassy on the Citadel, allowing our polity to have more pull over the Council in the long run.

But to get that, we need to be independent before we physically reconnect with Council controlled space.
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We are going to die without allies. That was established as part of our character creation:
DISADVANTAGES: Completely under siege, unexplored local cluster, unknown Relay connections, must effect a breakout and get reinforcements soon or face annihilation and a Bad End.
We've decided that we can't work alongside the Lysenthi. The Quarians are too far away (if they weren't exterminated) to help us. Our only option remaining are the council races.

The Council doesn't have to do anything to destroy us. They just need to not help us and we will die.* The benefits of working with an independent Virmire could easily be outweighed by quelling independence movements at home by showing what happens to independent colonies.

According to our map right now, we are only one system away from Citadel space. A co-ordinated attack between us and the council against the Rachni might be able to restore trade within a few turns. Establishing a route to "friendly" space will also allow us to redistribute our forces to concentrate on the remaining Rachni fronts, and should will allow us to preserve more of our military forces over time. It will better position us to fight any future (unlikely) Citadel aggression.

As others have pointed out, we can declare independence at any time. If they do try to strip our territory away from us, we can declare our independence in response. Why would they try to strip our territory away from us if we are still under their aegis and we are helping them fight off an existential threat? Even if they were successful, that would massively alarm all of their other constituent members and would spur more independence movements. if they fail, they make an enemy out of an ally.

And offering to rejoin the council isn't really a concession. If Britain tries to rejoin the EU after their secession, the EU is not going to offer them as good of a deal as they had when they first joined. If Turkey tries to join the EU, the EU is going to force them to jump through numerous hoops first. If Russia tries to join the EU, the EU is probably going to deny them to mollify their other members. I don't see why the council would be any different.

*We've been steadily increasing Rachni attention on us for our successes, which means that they are going to be dedicating more than the dregs of their fleets against us. Combined with their need to restore a connection to the Hades Gamma cluster indicates that we are in serious risk of losing our Attican Beta system soon.
 
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Citadel have its own problems, and will always look at it's own interests first, before thinking about peripheral system. We cannot rely on them to solve our problems. I would sooner expect they would use politics to drain us as much as possible.

We will need to be effectively independent anyway. We may as well formalize it.
 
Darkcrest said:
how after they take our colonies and warfleet we don't have a leg to stand on
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How would they take our colonies or our fleet? Why would our officers and enlisted men listen to the council instead of us? How would they convince our citizens that this was a justified action, and not an occupation by a hostile force?

They cannot accomplish a fait accompli. We will be able to respond to any of their decrees or actions, and we can defy them if they turn out to be colossal idiots.
 
Ow wow that's an awful lot. HEY, FOLKS, IF YOU WANT ME TO CLARIFY SOMETHING, PLEASE TAG ME OR QUOTE ME, AND ASK A SPECIFIC QUESTION. THERE'S A LOT TO DREDGE, OTHERWISE.
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Omake - Virmire Assemblies First Bill

"Today the newly minted Assembly has drafted and sent a draft declaring independence from the Citadel Counil. Debate over if now is the time to officially break from the Citadel Council while the opposition considers that now is not the time to declare independence."

Congressional Urgen stated "We are in a historic point in time. Virmire is transitioning from a wartime economy and wartime culture to that of a peaceful civilized economy and culture of reason. Alas, I must attest my disgust that the Citadel Council did not send assistance in our time of need. It is a miracle that the right woman came to the position of Prime Minister with the right staff to do the right things at just the right time. I cannot see the Council do much even after the war but tax us for protections and place burdensome regulations for there own gain. Thus, I call on my fellow Confessionals to support the draft and that Prime Minister sign it into law."

"BREAKING NEWS!"

"It seems Congressional Elten Un'Dor has given a speech at a local park on his position "...What people don't understand is that we have been disconnected from the bigger picture. I just don't see the rationale of independence and butting heads with an ally we are supposed to have against the Rachni. Where will we be if the council decides to do something about this? I am not comfortable with the possibility of a war with the Council for breaking off or settlements due to the Councils early investments to Virmire. As such I am voting against and ask the Prime Minister to not sign this bill to law for the sake of Virmire's next generation of Sentiments."

"An there you have it. Later We'll be discussing recent colonization efforts and if water helps Asari look nicer."

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Nice! I do have to laugh at Urgen; "peaceful civilized economy," my ass. Clearly, this person has no idea what they're talking about. :rofl: I enjoyed the opportunity to see both sides of the debate from the ground level! Have an Apocrypha threadmark!
Khettien said:
Speaking of something similar, didn't we fulfill the Martial mandate when we broke the blockade? Did you intend to give us an (extra) reward for that, or is it just reflected in our (excessively high) popular opinion, and do we need to make a selection for another Mandate?
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You did. Your reward is popularity, yes. Mandates may recur in the future, but they're more or less redundant with your popularity this high. Nobody elected George Washington on any particular platform, they elected him because he was George Washington. You did not have to make promises to anybody for support, this time.
Blonddude42 said:
Would it be possible for the declaration of Independence to have some sort of clause that's for rejoining the Citadel as a member state? I'd be fine approving the bill if it was a declaration that we would no longer be considered a colony of the Citadel, but I wouldn't want it to straight up cut our ties with them.

...this is gonna have so much bad information. Hopefully Poptart tries to shut down any campaigning with bad info.
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It won't have provisions forbidding such overtures.

"Bad information?" Could you clarify?
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@PoptartProdigy , by the way, if "Update the Maps" wins, could you leave the old map in place and add a new one alongside it somehow? Being able to compare would help.
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I suppose I could, yeah.
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[X][TIMING] Veto, you belligerent idiots.
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As far as we know, the council only need to contest Hades Gamma to open potential supply lines.

I'm also hearing conflicting stories about the council too. They are so weak they can't hold Virmire sized colonies against the Rachini, but they're strong enough to uplift an entire planet from you 1950s human tech to 2nd tier power during a war... call it 20 years at the longest in order to have the Krogans turn the tide and achieve strategic victory in 50 years.

Imo, these facts are irreconcilable. Now, the council might not be able to take ground from the rachini, but that doesn't mean they are losing colonies either
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It's a few years from now until the uplift of the krogan, and especially from the loss of Virmire. The realities of the situation have time to change.
NotAlwaysFanfic said:
@PoptartProdigy I've seen a few people claim that the declaration of independence is the first thing the Assembly voted on, and I find myself skeptical, although I don't doubt it's the first thing that's had such unanimous support behind it from the legislators. What are the circumstances around this bill? How far into the Assembly's life did it take for this bill to get proposed, and how many legislators have talked long and hard about it?

for now though.
[X][TIMING] Veto, you belligerent idiots.
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Not literally the first thing, no. The Assembly did attend to some procedural affairs first, and some of those actually enjoyed stronger support (first budget plan: 100% approval). But yes, definitely none as noticeable as this one. The declaration bill came fairly early in the Assembly's life, although again, not the first thing. However, once the Assembly had attended to the various minutiae of governance and come around to addressing the more serious affairs, the question of independence was their first port of call. It doesn't precisely look organized on a wider scale -- certainly, some delegates have talked it over (there are at least seventeen who showed up with possible drafts for a declaration in hand), but you don't think there's been an organized push. It just genuinely was on everybody's mind.
uju32 said:
It's of note that not a single political candidate stood for independence as part of their electoral platform in a field that literally included a pacifist who wanted to make friends with the Rachni.
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Amusingly, she still makes public appearances in support of her campaign. :lol
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@PoptartProdigy
If we remain part of the council, are they likely to force us to breakup into numerous smaller polities?
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Mira is not sure. If asked, Kirai (grudgingly) admits that she can't say for certain either, as does Marae. There is literally no precedent for your situation. That said, all involved are fairly certain that the Council is capable of recognizing that breaking Virmire up would be a hostile move. Whether or not they'll think they should do it anyway...it depends on factors you can't really call. For one, the Council only has political framework for race-based member states and Council-administrated colonies. A interplanetary polity that actively rejects single-race administration is not something that has come up. A lot of weight will rest on how politically crucial the Council considers racial states to be.
 
Enjou said:
For benefits, I will point out that we are acting as a sovereign power and claiming territory beyond Virmire. If we are maintaining our status as a colony under Council rule, what guarantee do we have that they will recognize those claims instead of taking control away from us? If we're independent, trying that would be tantamount to declaring war, which they won't want to do.

Another thing to consider is that if we're independent now and are successful as a larger polity, then the prospect of us rejoining is a viable card to play with them. We could get concessions we otherwise would not, like perhaps an embassy on the Citadel, allowing our polity to have more pull over the Council in the long run.

But to get that, we need to be independent before we physically reconnect with Council controlled space.
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If we declare independence they could refuse to recognise our new territorial claims. They could accept our independence, but refuse our ownership of our mining colonies. If they (post war) declare that our mining systems belong to the Batarians, what could we do about it? If we use our fleet to stop the Batarians taking them over, then we are the ones starting the war.
As a member they will have no choice but to accept our territory, and then, after they have acknowledged our increased territory, will be a far better time to declare independence.

They would have to be incredible stupid to offer concessions to us for rejoining. It would encourage members to declare independence and rejoin to gain those same concessions. It is more likely that instead we will be the ones making concessions.

We will gain nothing from becoming independent, there is absolutely no point to it.
Right now we are de facto independent, and the Assembly politicians want to write that into law. But after the war, when membership benefits are available once more, opinions will change.
Declaring independence can be done any time, but rejoining will require Council agreement. Agreement they may be reluctant to give, after all if we declared independence once , we could do it again.
 
[X][TIMING] Veto, you belligerent idiots.
I don't think it's that big of a deal, but I don't see much good coming from declaring independence now, and it would mean lesser chance of help from the Council. Help which we kinda need.
 
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Shaseyu said:
Don't see a trouble here.
Both Illium and Noveria from the very beginning were corporate worlds created specifically to bypass the Citadel law. Most probably their founders firstly negotiated with the Council about special status for their worlds and only after that began colonization.
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This is not accurate. Noveria is not a Citadel world. Illium is.
Ilium has to obey most Council legislation as well.

Shaseyu said:
Taetrus is populated by Turians and governed by the Turian Hierarchy, so they tried to secede from the Hierarchy.
Virmire is populated by all Citadel species and probaly governed directly by the Citadel. So we're trying to secede from the Citadel.
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The Citadel does not do this. UN, not Imperium of Man.
Your own quote points out that previous to occupation Virmire's citizens all considered themselves citizens of their respective nations.
Not of the Citadel or of the planet.

You are ascribing powers to the Council that they do not have.
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1) I don't know how else I should interpret a phrase like this:
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We do know that Citadel corporations were doing business in the Terminus; once a general war starts, abandoned by means corporations fled for safe territory.It doesn't necessitate political involvement, let alone colonies.

Shaseyu said:
2) I didn't call them 'token minority', I said 'by the same token minority shouldn't care...'
Which means "if you think that majority doesn't care about independence, minority shouldn't care about it too".
Did I use turn of phrase 'by the same token' incorrectly?
3) Random asari doesn't know about that. And even if she somehow finds out... a century is not really so long time for her.
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1)Ah. My apologies for misunderstanding.

2)Random asari, or indeed any Virmirean with access to an internet connection, can quite easily map how far away the original Rachni cluster is from Virmire, and how much effort it took for them to occupy Attican Beta.
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PoptartProdigy said:
It won't have provisions forbidding such overtures.

"Bad information?" Could you clarify?
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Bad information takes many forms, and GMs tend to draw different lines in the sand for it.

The big ones here would probably be fear mongering with bad speculation, and using information contrary to something we either know or should know IC.

There's more to it, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head
 
Chrestomanci said:
If we declare independence they could refuse to recognise our new territorial claims. They could accept our independence, but refuse our ownership of our mining colonies. If they (post war) declare that our mining systems belong to the Batarians, what could we do about it? If we use our fleet to stop the Batarians taking them over, then we are the ones starting the war.
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By the abyss, why would they do that? Do you remember that Batarians are SLAVERS?! Giving them our territory, the territory of a colony that alone withstand rachni attacks being surrounded by them to the slavers would DESTROY their public image! THINK! They gain nothing from leaving us to die. What's more, they can't leave us because they need us. WE ARE AT FUCKING WAR! FOR FUCK SAKE! EVERYBODY WORK TOGETHER OR WE WILL ALL DIE! There is no place for a politics right now!

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And our territory is OURS! They lose any kind of claim when they abandon us. In their minds this is now a Rachni territory. They lose it. We Reclaim it. End of a story.
 
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Rakuhn said:
We are going to die without allies. That was established as part of our character creation:
DISADVANTAGES: Completely under siege, unexplored local cluster, unknown Relay connections, must effect a breakout and get reinforcements soon or face annihilation and a Bad End.
We've decided that we can't work alongside the Lysenthi. The Quarians are too far away (if they weren't exterminated) to help us. Our only option remaining are the council races.

The Council doesn't have to do anything to destroy us. They just need to not help us and we will die.* The benefits of working with an independent Virmire could easily be outweighed by quelling independence movements at home by showing what happens to independent colonies.

According to our map right now, we are only one system away from Citadel space. A co-ordinated attack between us and the council against the Rachni might be able to restore trade within a few turns. Establishing a route to "friendly" space will also allow us to redistribute our forces to concentrate on the remaining Rachni fronts, and should will allow us to preserve more of our military forces over time. It will better position us to fight any future (unlikely) Citadel aggression.

As others have pointed out, we can declare independence at any time. If they do try to strip our territory away from us, we can declare our independence in response. Why would they try to strip our territory away from us if we are still under their aegis and we are helping them fight off an existential threat? Even if they were successful, that would massively alarm all of their other constituent members and would spur more independence movements. if they fail, they make an enemy out of an ally.

And offering to rejoin the council isn't really a concession. If Britain tries to rejoin the EU after their secession, the EU is not going to offer them as good of a deal as they had when they first joined. If Turkey tries to join the EU, the EU is going to force them to jump through numerous hoops first. If Russia tries to join the EU, the EU is probably going to deny them to mollify their other members. I don't see why the council would be any different.

*We've been steadily increasing Rachni attention on us for our successes, which means that they are going to be dedicating more than the dregs of their fleets against us. Combined with their need to restore a connection to the Hades Gamma cluster indicates that we are in serious risk of losing our Attican Beta system soon.
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1. I have absolutely zero reason to think that there's some sort of large secessionist movement going on in Council space right now, so I don't find the notion that they would use us as some kind of example likely. Given the threat of the Rachni, any colonies that weren't abandoned are far more likely to want the safety associated with staying members of their governments that have established militaries to protect them from the space locusts. Those that were abandoned will mostly destroyed by now - we are the exception, not the rule.

Further, even if there were such a movement, their reasoning behind it would likely be different than ours. When the Declaration of Independence was written, it was done so in mind with airing specific grievances to justify it so colonial nation's other than Britain would not oppose the move, since it wasn't advocating for all colonies to become independent from their founding nations. We would do something similar, stating our main reasons being that the Council left us to die, ceded the territory to the Rachni, but that we did not die and have built ourselves into a militarily capable sovereign power. Very few others could claim such compelling reasons.

Lastly, they have too many compelling reasons to work with us rather than against us for me to think they wouldn't. We have ships when they need them, we have control of an important Relay hub that they will want access to, and we have a pile of resources that several corporations in Council space will likely be lobbying to get access to. I just don't see them ignoring us out of spite, especially if we seem willing to work with them.

2. The notion that we can declare Independence at any time is a falsehood. If we aren't sovereign at the point we reconnect with them, they are going to park military assets all over our territory. At that point secession becomes significantly more hairy, especially since our justifications will likely become much weaker.

Doing this now is likely the best possible chance to do it. We have been elected to our position democratically, we have established a democratic legislative body, said body's first major act is to send this to our desk with supermajority support - we didn't even campaign for this bill, so us passing it can be spun as us just following the will of the people. If we do it later then it's likely to have less public support, and us pushing for it will be something that would be much easier to spin as us being a belligerent warlord clinging to power given the Council will be able to counter campaign against us.

Chrestomanci said:
If we declare independence they could refuse to recognise our new territorial claims. They could accept our independence, but refuse our ownership of our mining colonies. If they (post war) declare that our mining systems belong to the Batarians, what could we do about it? If we use our fleet to stop the Batarians taking them over, then we are the ones starting the war.
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How would they even reach the systems in question without going through our Relays? They would need our permission, because to do otherwise would be violating our sovereign space and thus be tantamount to declaring war. They are not likely to be all that inclined to push things in that direction.
 
In canon ME the Council shrugged and said "not our problem" when the Batarians spent years making slaving raids on Human colonies. After basically intentionally pointing the Humans at an area of space guaranteed to put them in conflict with the Batarians.
The Batarians hadn't been a part of the Citadel for a while then, either, as I recall.

I'm not saying it's good/moral, but it is pragmatic and ruthless and potentially "solves" 2+ problems at once.
 
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