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Duesal said:
We shouldn't have ever trusted Brushcrest, and we shouldn't have agreed to fight a war on their behalf.

I will be shocked if Greenvalley is still intact if we ever get home.
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They have no way to actually invade the Capital, and their not bloodthirsty enough to burn it to the ground. In least we forged the trait into them with our constant raids and Makar being themselves.
They have to wait till the Valley surrenders.
 
Nah dudes the city of Makar is full of "proto-slaves" who probably want freedom and shitty warhawk priest-administrators.

We hit it, kill the guards, kill the leaders, free the slaves, and loot it to the bedrock in a glorious display of cutting the head off the snake.

A hail-mary against expectations could be really powerful here.

[X] Do something else.
-[X] Kill the chosen and his entourage then march on Makar.
 
We have a whole day on them, were gonna have to Invent Forced March doctrine real quick, but we need to escape to the Mountains, Greenvalley could be in danger, and facing the Makar is folly regardless of if we can win or not.
 
natruska said:
Yeah, I want to clarify my use of 'god-king' here in my plan was not in the singular divine monarch sense, but the general "divine rulers" sense. I'm willing to drop killing the Chosen, but I really do think that attacking Makar is probably the best way to secure our escape from their territory. The Chosen's army here is after us because they had advance knowledge of our attack; if we out-maneuver them and attack Makar, we should (hopefully) be able to turn back and push them aside before any reinforcements come from the other villages.

The problem with retreating straight to Greenvalley is that there's no win state there. The Makarites and Brushcrest settle in for a siege, or (more likely) head home and come back regularly to beat on us. I don't want to play to not die a while longer, I want to play to win. Could we actually debate solutions, instead of lamenting the situation we're in and dreaming up revenge fantasies against the Brushcrest guys?

edit cuz ninja: the current status of Greenvalley is irrelevant. If they're holding the walls, great, if they're not, shit. Our job right now is to preserve our raiding party and if possible do enough damage to keep the Makarites from following us back. We can do that.
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Your plan relies on being able to actually beat the Makarites in open warfare. We got lucky with one village, we are not going to get lucky with their actual army.

I don't want to play "die as quickly as possible," I want a fighting chance.
 
Ghostdevil said:
We have a whole day on them, were gonna have to Invent Forced March doctrine real quick, but we need to escape to the Mountains, Greenvalley could be in danger, and facing the Makar is folly regardless of if we can win or not.
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You gotta consider that this is their religious and political capitol.
Burning it to the ground will sent them into a murderous rage, BUT NOT ONE THEY CAN SUSTAIN.
They will fall apart without their leaders and we can hole up in Greenvalley to wait them out.
 
AegisCollector said:
You gotta consider that this is their religious and political capitol.
Burning it to the ground will sent them into a murderous rage, BUT NOT ONE THEY CAN SUSTAIN.
They will fall apart without their leaders and we can hole up in Greenvalley to wait them out.
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Thats assuming we win, if we lose, the game is lost. Retreating even if Greenvalley is destroyed means we can still continue, as our culture still exists, even if our polity doesn't, it means we lose the Mandate should the Valley be conquered, but that doesn't matter if we survive!
 
Profectus said:
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We actually can beat them in Makar if the army sent to kill us doesn't get there or us first.
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Far too many moving parts. You're relying on the satellite villages not intercepting is, us actually winning against what'll mostly be veteran troops with the best commander, and then us somehow sparking a slave revolt.
 
It's off to sleep for me, but one last parting advice:

Consider the situation from Chosens perspective. Why would he come with this offer? What are his goals? What is he planning?
 
Duesal said:
Your plan relies on being able to actually beat the Makarites in open warfare. We got lucky with one village, we are not going to get lucky with their actual army.

I don't want to play "die as quickly as possible," I want a fighting chance.
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From earlier
Brushcrest Forces:
2x Hunters (Veteran)
3x Hunters (Regular)
2x Hunters (Elite) - Allies
4 to 6 Hunters (Veteran) - Allies
2 to 5 Hunters (Regular) - Allies

Estimated Makar Forces:
2 to 4 Hunters (Elite)
6 to 10 Hunters (Veteran)
10 to 20 other units of unknown quality
Now, let's assume best realistic situation here. Let's make the following assumptions.

  • Brushcrest's allies are bullshit. Brushcrest might have allies, but they're not joining a war with the end result being vassalization.
  • The 'other units' are mobs of fanatics.
  • There are still garrisons at the other villages and Makar itself. Makar itself likely has the Elite hunters, but they'd probably fall to our better tech and organization plus slaves.
The army chasing us is likely some fanatics from the village, plus the Oaklake hunter's contingent. Notice that the Chosen said 'my' troops, not 'our' troops. That might just be me assigning undue importance, but I heavily doubt it's the whole Makarite army, and I also doubt they emptied out the entire village population to come hunt us.

We might be able to take on Brushcrest's force if we return to Greenvalley. If the Makarites follow us though, we cannot possibly beat that force. Right now, our foes are separated and we have the initiative. Any other decision cedes it and forces us to pull back behind our walls. We can destroy them now, if we just win some close battles.

Duesal said:
Far too many moving parts. You're relying on the satellite villages not intercepting is, us actually winning against what'll mostly be veteran troops with the best commander, and then us somehow sparking a slave revolt.
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How would the other satellites intercept us? They're days away, with a straight shot to Makar down the middle.

ninja'd right before posting: oh. oh fuck.

guys, I think the chosen wants our troops for a coup. Think about it, if it really is "his" army from Oaklake, and he's got them fully mobilized, he takes some of our units and marches on Makar for a fait accompli.

edit: posted before actually making my argument lul, give me a sec.
 
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We MUST retreat, to fight here is Foolish! To Charge is Folly, To Stand and fight is Death, Retreat is the only path that might end in survival.

Hmmm that is a good point, why is he even offering us this? What is he hiding? Is there another path to victory?
 
I give up, I have no idea what to do, We accidentally fucked ourselves over a year ago in RL, I can't tell his motives. So Iama stfu till a vote that i like starts to win.
 
[X] Do something else.
-[X] First of all, fucking merk that chosen.
-[X] As in the previous plan, juke east towards the river. Do not cross the river, though. Head immediately south and then west, towards Makar. Their host shouldn't be too far behind their scouts; by the time they see the feint, they should be north-east of our force. Don't try to conceal our tracks heading south though; if they don't realize we're going for the god-king, they might head for Greenvalley.
-[X] Head straight for Makar, cross the river and attack the site to incite a slave rebellion. Once we've taken it, all we need to do is defeat the force pursuing and run like hell for Greenvalley.
 
natruska said:
Yeah, I want to clarify my use of 'god-king' here in my plan was not in the singular divine monarch sense, but the general "divine rulers" sense. I'm willing to drop killing the Chosen, but I really do think that attacking Makar is probably the best way to secure our escape from their territory. The Chosen's army here is after us because they had advance knowledge of our attack; if we out-maneuver them and attack Makar, we should (hopefully) be able to turn back and push them aside before any reinforcements come from the other villages.

The problem with retreating straight to Greenvalley is that there's no win state there. The Makarites and Brushcrest settle in for a siege, or (more likely) head home and come back regularly to beat on us. I don't want to play to not die a while longer, I want to play to win. Could we actually debate solutions, instead of lamenting the situation we're in and dreaming up revenge fantasies against the Brushcrest guys?

edit cuz ninja: the current status of Greenvalley is irrelevant. If they're holding the walls, great, if they're not, shit. Our job right now is to preserve our raiding party and if possible do enough damage to keep the Makarites from following us back. We can do that.
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I understand you wanting to move forward, its just that this diplomatic situation was entirely forseeable. I don't know why people would trust Bushcrest of all tribes, the best case scenario is that we exhaust our forest getting rid of their enemies(i.e. natural allies, people are proposing right now to offer an alliance to march against Bushcrest ).

If we decide to flee however we can always try to defend the mouth of the valley and the mountain passes with the help of the white clans.
 
Can we hire out our entire army as mercenaries? Say "How about this? We fight as a whole for you and in exchange you gives us certain goods/burn Bushcrest to the ground?" They get our fighting force and we get to live and fight. Of course we ask for a season first to burn Brushcrest but after that we can be mercenaries for them.
 
Azel said:
Consider the situation from Chosens perspective. Why would he come with this offer? What are his goals? What is he planning?
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Let's assume a couple scenarios:

1) He can beat us and Brushcrest betrayed us.
In this case he came here to negotiate so that some of our warriors go with them and then they get specialized infantry and obsidian weapons. He can beat us if he wants, but is thinking long term.

2) Brushcrest did not betray us. In fact, they are beating their asses down south, so he came here to get more troops in a desperate ploy to not fight a war on two fronts.
Then we can negotiate a lot more. Or straightfowardly tell them to get bent and murderize all of them.

Anyway, from a position of strength, I would have just waited and showed the troops. He isn't doing that. Why? Because either:
a) They are not so many as to be able to beat us easily.
b) They can beat us, but they are needed elsewhere. See scenario 2).
 
I think there's no option that the best answer isn't 'go Xenophon and strike for Makar.' If Brushcrest is winning in the south, decapitation strike. If everything he said is true, I still think it's our best chance at surviving a two-front war against Brushcrest and Makar. And if he's some kind of rebel or Chosen trying to get our troops to seize control, well...fuck that let's burn it all down.

Honestly, I think we need more debate (like actual debate) before voting.
 
Tomcost said:
Anyway, from a position of strength, I would have just waited and showed the troops.
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Excellent point. Why would he come in person and without an army to talk us around, if he could just bring his army and then compel our surrender. This is a damn bluff of some kind.

We should take him prisoner and interrogate him, rather than murdering him. We can always murder him later.
 
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Azel said:
It's off to sleep for me, but one last parting advice:

Consider the situation from Chosens perspective. Why would he come with this offer? What are his goals? What is he planning?
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Hmm their people glorify combat right? Yet he is trying to avoid it right now and he wanted more warriors. Seems to me that either they are fighting Bushcrest or another enemy or are having an internal crisis right now.
Azel said:
After a few tense moments, the man on the boat had spotted Sparrow and spoke something at him in the tongue of the River People, which was answered by a shake of the head by the warleader. He tried another few words to the same result
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Could those 'another few words' be another language?
 
Wait
@Azel Do we know how close the nearest village is? Its only been a few days right? How did they mobilize so fast...? I am starting to lean towards bluff, because mobilizing an Army worth a damn in the stone age and then marching them across a distance would take forever, The villages are also touted as big as GreenValley and it takes even our mini-villages around our capital a lengthy time to get to the Whitehalls.
 
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