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Tykan said:
Meanwhile, @LostDeviljho and @1KBestK, could you give me your general reads? Or if not all, maybe, say... Oshha, Nictis, Byzantine and QT?
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Oshha's votes seem have seemed opportunistic and very low-risk. I don't like them changing their mind on the reveal thing. I feel like they're scum. They've been sympathetic with me, so maybe that's influencing me here with my paranoia, but that's how I'm reading them right now. There's likely some scum on the winning votes, and they're one of the three (qt and IH being the other two) that have been on both. Now they're trying to argue for something that they've admitted probably helps scum more than town.

Nictis is another person who I don't trust. However, I'm probably going to lynch them last because their recaps are good for town, and I think I have less of a scumread on them. They weren't on both wagons, but if Meso is town that's not really much of a defense.

In any case, I believe at least one of QT, Oshha, and IH are scum, and Oshha is currently the one that feels the scummiest.

[x] lynch Oshha
 
Yeah, I don't like you proposing the idea now, however hard you're going in on it. It could easily be scum!oshha testing the waters from my POV.
 
Hmm, I don't like 1K lying about my actions, but that isn't neccessarily lynch worthy on its, but while I still think that at least one of Nictis or QT is scum, I don't really have too much to base it on except one of the surviving vets is more likely than not to be scum at this stage in the game.

So yeah, I'm not particularly attached to my QT vote and 1K is jumping on making a suggestion on something I think might help town whilst lying about it so I'm switching my vote. I don't have any real scum reads right now to go on so 1K going after me for trying to help town is scummy enough for me to vote for their lynch.

[X] Lynch 1KBestK
 
Okay, so why I am suspect of 1k right now.

I ask for second opinions for doing a mass reveal after a couple days of nothing and failing to get any proper reads after looking through the past days.
Oshha said:
I kind of want to do a mass reveal just to get more information into the game, but I want second opinions before we do anything of the sort.
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Hobo asked me why I changed my mind.
InterstellarHobo said:
When I first proposed a massclaim, you opposed it. You now support it. What has caused this change of opinion?
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I clarify that I haven't changed my mind, but the current circumstances are making me consider doing it to be more beneficial to town than it is bad for town.
Oshha said:
I don't really support it, I just want to make the thread less quiet and get more information to refine my reads. I lean towards thinking that town benefits less from a mass claim than scum does hence asking for second opinions, but I am starting to think that we might need the extra information from mass claims to get things moving again if only to shake up the board or something along those lines.
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1k then jumps in and starts lying about how I changed my mind and how I admitted it helps scum more than town when I clarified to Hobo in the above post that neither of those things were the case.
1KBestK said:
I don't like them changing their mind on the reveal thing.

Now they're trying to argue for something that they've admitted probably helps scum more than town.
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... Yeah, that solidifies things. Definitely staying on this. Already mentioned it was only a small part of my read.
 
1KBestK said:
... Yeah, that solidifies things. Definitely staying on this. Already mentioned it was only a small part of my read.
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And this being their response to being called out on their lies just solidifies my read on 1k.

Okay, my reads:
1K = Lean scum to solid scum.
Byzantine = Lean Town.
Meso = Waiting to figure out what Nictis has to say about them before I decide one way or another.
QT & Nictis = Lean town on both with Nictis town read being stronger, but I believe at least one of them is scum.
LDJ = Not active enough to get a read on.
Tykan = Neutral.
Hobo = Neutral.
 
It's not a lie, man. It's how I read what you said. Broaching it casually like you did serves the same purpose that fully going for it does, but with less risk on your part. Given your lynches have followed the same pattern of opportunistic tactics with little skin in the game, I'm just calling it like I see it.
 
1KBestK said:
It's not a lie, man. It's how I read what you said. Broaching it casually like you did serves the same purpose that fully going for it does, but with less risk on your part. Given your lynches have followed the same pattern of opportunistic tactics with little skin in the game, I'm just calling it like I see it.
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I literally the said the opposite of what you claim it did. That isn't calling it how you see it, it is lining. You cannot just turn "I don't support it yet, but I am starting to think that it might be more beneficial to town now" into "I support it and I think it helps scum more than it helps town". You twisting what I said into the opposite and claiming I said that is called lying.

Also calling my lynches to be opportunistic is also wrong. I pushed Rosen from the moment I jumped in on Day 1 and only switched away from it to avoid a lynch I felt was worse than the one I was switching to and then switched back to it the moment it look like I had a chance of pushing a Rosen lynch.
On day 2, I suspected Nani at the start, Nani satisfied my suspicions whilst I did a couple of inactivity votes on QT. Did I vote for Meso and Hobo between QT activity lynches after Nictis pointed out shady activity, but other than that nothing I did could be called opportunistic. After QT responded to my second inactivity lynch, I switched away to Nani because Nani had managed to undo my neutral read on them into a scum lean.
Day 3 I voted for Nictis in tired paranoia and then switched away from that after I got a night's sleep. I spent a couple days unsuccessfully trying to get some better reads before deciding to go after QT because I figured either them or Nictis are scum and I have a strong town read of Nictic than I do on QT. Then you started openly lying about what I said so I voted for you and then you doubled down on your lies so I'm now solidly scum reading you instead of just having a scum lean on you.

You blatantly lying about my actions is no way at all town and I'm not saying how trying to spread misinformation is anything, but scummy.

New reads:
1K = Scum.
Byzantine = Lean Town.
Meso = Waiting to figure out what Nictis has to say about them before I decide one way or another.
QT & Nictis = Lean town on both with Nictis town read being stronger, but I believe at least one of them is scum.
LDJ = Not active enough to get a read on.
Tykan = Neutral.
Hobo = Neutral.

I'll look at who might be members of 1K's scum team in the morning.
 
Oshha said:
Looking at things, I think we have different perspectives. While I am certain that you believe what you say when you talk about what Nani was doing or said, but when I look at Nani's post, I am not seeing what you are saying is in them.

I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe it is the result of us having different degrees of experience with what Nani says making sense to you with your greater experience whilst I don't get it with my relative inexperience? Or maybe you know Nani better than I do and can understand what they are saying.

Anyway, I'm going to hold off from giving any actual reads or making any new votes until I have some time to look at things again. That should either be this evening (currently morning for me) or tomorrow depending on how long doing that takes.


Despite my earlier suggestion, I don't think a mass claim is necessary nor a good idea. I fail to see how Town would benefit from doing it in terms of catching scum whilst I can see how scum would benefit from knowing any remaining town power roles (if there are any at all).

By the way @QTesseract @Nictis, what do you think of my theory of the thirteen players being made up for ten town and three scum?
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You started out saying it was a bad idea after your initial post. The 'better for scum' part is me projecting the way other people ha e phrased it, but that hardly matters - if you thought it was a bad idea, you obviously thought it would be more beneficial to scum.
Oshha said:
[X] Lynch QTesseract

Either QT or Nictis are scum in my books and while Nictis is Nictis, I've got more of a town read on them.

I kind of want to do a mass reveal just to get more information into the game, but I want second opinions before we do anything of the sort.
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You follow this up with another attempt to broach the topic of a massclaim. That's fishy.
Oshha said:
I don't really support it, I just want to make the thread less quiet and get more information to refine my reads. I lean towards thinking that town benefits more from a mass claim than scum does hence asking for second opinions, but I am starting to think that we might need the extra information from mass claims to get things moving again if only to shake up the board or something along those lines.
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This is fishier. You have moved back from your previous conclusion that it was a bad idea, but you're also simultaneously saying you 'don't really support it.' This looks like you're trying to get people to do it with plausible deniability if anyone calls you out. It's scummy. You immediately voting me after I vote you is also scummy (to me). Your flipflopping is why I'm more certain, but it's not the only part. Your votes have been low risk with little skin in the game. That's why I call them opportunistic - not because of the time you made them, but because you were jumping onto the opportunity of lynches that wouldn't leave you sus.
 
1KBestK said:
That's why I call them opportunistic - not because of the time you made them, but because you were jumping onto the opportunity of lynches that wouldn't leave you sus.
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I'm also feeling like his QT lynches are an attempt at distancing he can easily back away from without him doing so being glaring if QT flipped scum.
 
I'm leaning towards either a @1KBestK or @Nictis lynch today. I've been consistently scumreading Nictis, but I am really not fond of 1K making a push against Ossha for being ambivalent about a massclaim.
 
... That's a lot of mentions...

Anyways, good news is that I won't be working through EoD tomorrow. Bad news is that I'll probably be busy decorating for Christmas.

Anyone wanna give me a quick refresher on the situation?
mesonoxian said:
I'm leaning towards either a @1KBestK or @Nictis lynch today. I've been consistently scumreading Nictis
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Got anything new for that?
 
And family are calling me for food. Guess I'll be rather scattershot tonight, I'll see if I can't put the time to build an ISO on someone who catches my eye tonight.

Also, I'm going to publicly state that we need a mass reveal. I will share my power list later, regardless of who says what.
 
Nictis said:
Got anything new for that?
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If I'm honest, no. It is more or less a gutread.

The offer to provide a spec as to what the available PRs are kind of worries me. One because I don't know how you'd know them from a towny perspective, and the other is because I am paranoid about any attempt to sell a larger narrative about the powers available in the game as a whole. That is how scum beat us in the last game, by selling everyone on a specific narrative and having us look to see who could fit it rather than questioning their narrative like we should have. @1KBestK can tell you about that. ;D

On the other hand, I really don't like 1K's interactions with @Ossha who I have still been town reading and you both seem unlikely to be on a scum team together.
Nictis said:
And family are calling me for food. Guess I'll be rather scattershot tonight, I'll see if I can't put the time to build an ISO on someone who catches my eye tonight.

Also, I'm going to publicly state that we need a mass reveal. I will share my power list later, regardless of who says what.
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Enjoy your food (And hopefully your family.)
 
By "both" I mean 1K and Nictis aren't likely to be scum together, given their earlier interactions. They could have been acting, but that gets winy.
 
1KBestK said:
For the final fucking time, that's not the only reason, nor the main reason I'm voting for them.
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Could you lay out the rest of your argument, then? From what I found, (and I probably did miss something) it looked like the rest of it was them taking low risk votes. Which isn't stellar, but is pretty weak substance for a lynch vote on its own. If they had lead a mislynch or something that would be one thing, but just not leading on lynch votes seems like a pretty understandable move for someone who is new to the game.

So if you have more developed reasons, I'd love to hear them.
 
Byzantine said:
Do you have any reasons for Nictis being scum besides them being Nictis? That's an entirely reasonable reason, but it feels like we should be able to do better by now.
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Like I said up above, the stuff from before (my lingering suspicion based on BB's play), a general sort of gut read, and discomfort over the notion of a list of powers. Not much, but neither is 1K's kind of weak push Ossha.
 
Not a huge fan of Oshha being pro mass claim now but if I'm being honest I'm not really inclined to go after them for it. I think it wouldn't be advantageous for us and could well be a mistake, but it's not like it's an unreasonable conclusion to come to.

if I had to go to someone I'm suspicious of, it would be Nictis; they seem less effective than normal, and I'd normally give good odds on them being dead now. However, the former could very well explain the latter, especially given that scum has had back to back power role kills, and I'm especially nervous that they're just looking to leave Nictis suspiciously alive long enough for me to jump on them as scum at MyLo and cost us the game.
 
mesonoxian said:
Could you lay out the rest of your argument, then? From what I found, (and I probably did miss something) it looked like the rest of it was them taking low risk votes. Which isn't stellar, but is pretty weak substance for a lynch vote on its own. If they had lead a mislynch or something that would be one thing, but just not leading on lynch votes seems like a pretty understandable move for someone who is new to the game.

So if you have more developed reasons, I'd love to hear them.
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1KBestK said:
Oshha's votes seem have seemed opportunistic and very low-risk. I don't like them changing their mind on the reveal thing. I feel like they're scum. They've been sympathetic with me, so maybe that's influencing me here with my paranoia, but that's how I'm reading them right now. There's likely some scum on the winning votes, and they're one of the three (qt and IH being the other two) that have been on both. Now they're trying to argue for something that they've admitted probably helps scum more than town.

Nictis is another person who I don't trust. However, I'm probably going to lynch them last because their recaps are good for town, and I think I have less of a scumread on them. They weren't on both wagons, but if Meso is town that's not really much of a defense.

In any case, I believe at least one of QT, Oshha, and IH are scum, and Oshha is currently the one that feels the scummiest.

[x] lynch Oshha
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1KBestK said:
Your votes have been low risk with little skin in the game. That's why I call them opportunistic - not because of the time you made them, but because you were jumping onto the opportunity of lynches that wouldn't leave you sus.
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In the group of QT, IH, and Oshha, I believe there is at least one scum among them. I said this already. Out of them, I feel Oshha is the scummiest. Their reasoning has frequently been formulated to put them in a very low risk position. With -Rosen, they were lynching them with a defense of 'even if they're town they're being anti-town.' They were putting themselves in a position where they already had a defense ready. It's scummy for the same reason an infolynch is scummy. It allows scum to look like they're trying to contribute without actually scumhunting or producing real reads. Nobody was going to vote them for voting -rosen, and it seems very beleivable that scum would be taking advantage of that. Their vote on nami shares the same thing: it's a low risk vote, one that wouldn't arouse much attention should they flip town. The point isn't that Oshha is that much scummier than QT or IH, but the specific way they argued their d1 Rosen lynch plus them immediately going on me for voting for them has made me scumread them more than the rest. QT hasn't posted much and IH is fairly null for me, beyond the fact that they're the ones on the same lynches.
 
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