Storm Trooper Mafia

Are you saying 1KBestK is a little short-tempered for a stormtrooper?
You did call dibs on that. :V

Anyways, about to go treat my family to lunch. Woke up from a dream where the list of people coming nearly tripled due to communication error. Will give thoughts when I get back since the thread seems to have suffered a major die-down.
 
Leaving now, but really. 24 hours in and we have two pages for the Day.

I know I haven't exactly been helping but it I still want to bring it up, does anyone have anything they want to say? Questions to ask?

Will be posting what I've got of the timeline so far in a bit.
 
Leaving now, but really. 24 hours in and we have two pages for the Day.

I know I haven't exactly been helping but it I still want to bring it up, does anyone have anything they want to say? Questions to ask?

Will be posting what I've got of the timeline so far in a bit.

I'm working on my ISO, I guess?, of Byz. Although I'm not sure if it's leading me anywhere and if it's really any worth. Right now it's just a big wall of text.
 
... Actually, I guess if I'm just going to post it when I get back I might as well post it now.

It's incomplete because IRL has been an issue lately, but I guess I'll stick it up so that people can at least see a condensed version of the first half or so of Day 1.
 
Leaving now, but really. 24 hours in and we have two pages for the Day.

I know I haven't exactly been helping but it I still want to bring it up, does anyone have anything they want to say? Questions to ask?

Will be posting what I've got of the timeline so far in a bit.
I'm useless without people to bounce off of, because I have to idea what I am doing or how to scumhunt.
 
... Damnit, SV removes formatting and colors when copy/pasting from PM.
 
Alright. Time to build a timeline.

Slight color coding included. Purple is personal note, Red is wagon level, Green is time or page gaps.

Day 1 Starts. Page 4.
1K makes a near immediate comment about not being aligned with Cyricubed.
Hobo claims that Byzantine scumslipped in the pre-game based on a jokepost and Stormtroopers being armed.
-Broken Base (My Slot) lightly pushes for more info on this.
-Broken Base (BB) then states that Hobo and Byzantine are unlikely to be aligned scum.
ComiTurtle (Comi) memevotes Dawiusz [1] and casts doubt on BB.
-BB explains thought in response and questions Hobo on the lack of vote.
-Hobo votes Byzantine. [1]
Tykan memevotes Meso. [1]
1K gives thoughts on the last game.
Byzantine claims to not be Scum or in a Quick Topic. (Not!Scum=/=Town)
Dawiusz (Daw) memevotes Comi. [1]
Nanimani (Nani) memevotes Cyricubed. [1]

Page 5.
Daw lightly suspects Byzantine's response to scumslip mention. (Unlikely to be allied, potentially a light case of shading?)
-Byzantine explains intended tone.
-BB casts doubt by saying that the tone didn't read like that. (Noting mostly because people tried to tie BB to Byzantine, need to see what's with that.)
-BB then votes Byzantine [2] for what is claimed to be tone but feels like disengaging. (Why you gotta do the suspicious things BB? This pressure feels bad to me T.T)
Rosen enters with another case of RQS.
Daw presses X to doubt Byzantine and claims Hobo as probably Town. Also expresses concern of getting hammered.
BB responds to Rosen's questions by giving a decent answer, an explanation for the lack of answer, and info on how she plays as scum. (If I had replaced Daw instead this would probably be who I would vote)
BB questions Daw on the lack of vote.
-Rosen claims to be watching Daw and the conversation.
BB pushes Tykan to flesh out their memevote on Meso. (I don't get this one)
Tykan responds to Rosen and unvotes Meso from BB comment. [0]
Daw explains basic new player vote conservativeness. Doesn't want to vote too early basically.
-BB and Daw butt heads over game ideology. I'm mostly going to ignore this from here on out to save space. (I will say that I personally agree with both sides here. Wagons form pressure and gather reactions, but sometimes the subtler touch is better)
1K and Byzantine give serious answers to Rosen's question.
Daw unvotes Comi. [0]
Byzantine votes Daw for shading them. [2] (I think this is where people decided that BB and Byzantine were connected, but it just looks like Byzantine piggybacking off of a line by BB that was prefaced with "I'm not sure that this is scummy")

Page 6.
(Post 127) BB pushes on Daw for playstyle. (I'm unsure if this is a matter of ideology or not. She's not here so I can't exactly ask. I can start to see why people were linking BB and Byzantine though.)
Hobo memevotes Rosen [1] and answers questions questionably.
LDJ and Comi respond to Rosen's questions shortly.
-Rosen pushes LDJ for answers, gets a response from LDJ explaining the answers, and immediately votes LDJ. (For what is frankly bullshit.) [1]
-1K calls Rosen on the bullshit and compares the LDJ answer to the BB answer. Rosen responds by claiming BB as his biggest Town read and LDJ as his biggest Scum Read.

Page 7.
Byzantine remarks that 1K is putting an odd amount of effort into defending LDJ. (NAI I say)
-Rosen meanwhile is making a complete mockery of himself from last game.
-LDJ gives IRL explanation for short answer. (Combination of a lack of interest in the questions, and not having a proper keyboard. I sympathize)

Page 8.
Nani responds to Rosen's questions while explicitly calling it nice as a fun question rather than a game move.
Byzantine questions the likelihood of a Gunsmith (Probably doesn't mean much, noting in case if I see more of this later)
Byzantine mentions that Nictis controlled the conversations last game and was scum... And hints that the lurkers should get more attention.
Rosen questions Nani for thoughts
Meso and QT give explanations for lack of activity and an intent to post more later.

Page 9.
BB asks 1K about reads on BB and Rosen, also states null to slight town read on LDJ (Matches my own thoughts at this point)
1K acknowledges bias towards/against Town Leader types, Rosen nitpicks 1K over bias ideology (is that even a thing? Not sure how else to phrase it)
-Rosen votes unvotes LDJ [0] and votes 1K [1] for letting her bias influence her reads. (Gotta say, I didn't see this when I voted Rosen Day 1. It's not making me regret it though.)
BB is townreading Rosen and not reading 1K. Seems to imply that she knows 1K's scumrange. (I am curious about this, since 1K's only scum game had her acting basically the same and fooled me completely)

Page 10.
For the list's and my own sake, I'm going to ignore the argument between 1K and Rosen in this. Some people comment in defense of 1K, Rosen continues to try and impress his view of things on the thread. Most of the page is wasted on this.
BB unvotes Byzantine [0] and pressure votes Daw [3]
Tykan and Hobo question Rosen for a Comi read and question the LDJ read from Rosen's response.

Page 11.
BB is paranoid about 1K.
Hobo unvotes Rosen [0] and votes Byzantine [1] because " I still think Byzantine has the best odds of being scum. " (Seems to be for the pre-game scumslip?) Also questions BB on Daw vote.
-BB provides quote and explanation.
BB is still paranoid about 1K and asks others to help go over her.
-Rosen responds by explaining that he's suspicious of 1K for not having a serious scum read on BB. Also that if 1K flips as scum to pressure LDJ. (Rosen seems to have forgotten 1K defending other players in every other game.)
Byzantine is lightly townreading Hobo and scumreading Daw.
BB likes Byzantine read post
Hobo suspects Byzantine (Slip) then BB (Distancing from Hobo with very quick switch to Daw... Many pages and a full day later) then Daw (general thread suspicion?) followed by Rosen (Bad behavior, but identical so not really suspicious to Hobo)


Huh, thought I was on Page 14. That might have been when I got distracted just reading the thread and then fell asleep though.

That's kinda annoying. Will mention that for any other Rosen stuff, the only other thing I had really seen during Day 1 from him was him calling our basic courtesy towards new players stupid. For reasons I don't have time to explain at the moment (Will be explaining post game anyways, since Rosen doesn't seem to keep reading after dying) I disagree, and decided that if they didn't care for the new player courtesy I wouldn't bother extending the 'Don't lynch repeatedly' courtesy. Rosen doing the exact same shit after claiming that he would stop doing it because it gets him lynched is going to get him lynched if we're not extending the courtesies of 'This is just how he plays' and 'We lynched him last game.'

Sorry, when rereading Rosen has gotten even more aggravating to me. I do not regret lynching him.
 
OK, let's start with Byzantine.

First are two posts with the suspected pregame slip.

Grumbles.

Since it's nothing substantive but my sense of humor betraying me, I can't really argue against it. I will say I'm not scum nor am I in a QT with anyone, which is very annoying because it means I'm all on my own for my first game. Its scary, I want support! (And people to blame for my inevitable failure.)
Then we have this, which is the first mention of not being in a QT (while no one asked for it). Might just be newbie stuff but it comes up again several times... Which comes up a bit weird

Tone of voice was meant to be an incredulous eyebrow raised one. Aka "that comment is so ridiculous I cant even begin to fathom how you could think that, but I'm going to be polite."
Re: "I did?", that answer and BB's resulting tone read look a bit like it could've been avoided. I don't really think it to be AI.

Ah, right

[X] Lynch Dawiusz

I'm finding his strangely noncommittal attempts to herd people into voting for me odd. It feels like scum trying to avoid actually being part of the lynch so he can use the fact he didn't lynch a townie (me atm) in his defense in the future, while still causing the lynch to happen.



This... actually seems to be a confession that I'm right about exactly what you are doing in terms of directing the group, without a direct confession that you are scum. That is not a good look given scum benefit from that far more than town. (Or at least I think so, first game so I could be mistake there.)
Sigh, I'm not sure yet what to make out of this and the back and forth between Dawiusz and BB before. It partly feels like two newbies flailing at each other.
But we have the discussion solely between BB and Dawiusz, with Byz standing by until he suddenly decides to copy BB's argument and start a Dawiusz wagon (had already shade on him by BB and Rosen)... which seems a bit opportune. Who doesn't want a free lynch to build by other people.

By the way, newbie setup question but I want to make sure I'm doing this right, but we should expect 3 scum with 13 player?
Reasonable question, just ftr should Byz ever flip scum, don't rule out 4 possible scums while thinking about mylo. Being paranoid, he suggested the team size.

While I agree with you that this questionaire doesn't seem as indicative as -Rosen is using it for, you are going to a lot of effort to defend another person...
Questioning 1k for the effort to defend LDJ. Reasonable remark, but it's common behaviour from 1k afaict. And iirc Byzantine has followed several of the last games? The longer I think about it, the more it looks like chiming in and earning a few townie points and less like a valid input...

Pretty much would mean you are scum or are town and are dangerously bad at keeping track of the count. (Right now no one is anywhere near the hammer, for example.) The removal of either of which is likely to be beneficial to Town. Scum more so, but even town that can't be bothered to make sure they aren't screwing up are bad for town.

I find the guns thing to be a silly thing to obsess over - as was quite visible in the last game Flavor doesn't actually mean very much, if anything. In the movies all the stormtroopers had guns, so naturally the assumption is everyone has the standard armor and guns. Otherwise they wouldn't be very stormtrooperish. In terms of game design this probably means if there is a gunsmith they act a bit differently than normal in terms of flavor, but that isn't really important or usable. ...Though I'm not sure if I should expect a gunsmith for that to even be relevant at all.
First part is NAI. Second part he weakens the pregame slip argument against himself (Have to admit it's not really a thing). The gunsmith part is ... true I guess.

I haven't looked back far, but I know Nictis was scum last game and basically controlled the D1 conversation, so assumptions probably shouldn't be made based on who is talking. And who isn't.

*cough* @QTesseract, @Cyricubed, @Tykan, @mesonoxian
More seriously the current fight seems a bit ridiculous. Getting paranoid of Town Leaders isn't helpful, but at the same time you do need to watch them, see last game with Nictis, who had convinced people they were town so much by playing town leader the second Scum faction accidentally wasted a NK offing them.

Basically, trust has to be earned, and stepping up into a central role should at least be considered suspect, because if they are Town that won't be that harmful, while if they are scum and not given sufficient screening it can be basically game over.
About whether scum rather hide in between the silent players or the top posters. Mostly NAI and I liked it cause he was right with pinging low count posters, still I'm getting paranoid when I see Byz as top poster right now. As in "I show effort and try to be there while not really advancing the scum hunt".

Uncertain. As I said earlier I'm naturally suspicious of anyone controlling the flow of the conversation, but this seems to be a perfectly standard -Rosen play so is wine. I do agree with Tykan's take that singling out LD when Comi gave even less useful answers (from my perspective) is suspicious, but I don't know enough to make anything of that.
Asked by BB about his opinion on Rosen. And suddenly I can see the argument with the Rosen-BB relation, although I see it between BB and Byz. I mean, both of them control more or less the thread with Rosen chiming in from time to time. Mostly going back and forth about what the other players did... which is fine when no one else does stuff.
Urghh, I'm not really sure this is leading anywhere right now
Side note: And here I'm feeling hypocritical, suspecting Byz for posting too much while one of my last day 1 posts was telling him to keep on posting and being active.

More of a question of what I've seen than anything else, but trying to rescue me seems like it would be an odd idea, given day 1, Day 1 lynches never seen to actually be the one that wins from the archives I've looked at. It seems to be jumping the gun, particularly if I were scum I would actually have an idea how to respond to stupidly weak accusations. As is I'm still not sure I understand what a proper response to pressure looks like.
Context: Meso about BB potentially stirring the wagon from Byz to Dawiusz to save the scum mate. While Byz definitely has a point, here we have the second "Look at me, I'm flying solo and ain't in a QT. I'm definitely town".

Here's what I think about the whole coaching when pressured thing, correct me if I'm wrong:
We are talking about newbies, a bit of waffling and cracking under pressure is probably expected. For me it would be far more suspicious if a newb suddenly has a perfect rhetoric when put under pressure. I expect newbs to be let play for themselves in their first game. Perfect play would just seem strange. So let them do their early mistakes if it isn't too damning. Everything else would seems more strange. The coaching can then happen afterwards, when the initial impressions are done. In addition, you want new players to continue playing, so they have to be able to do stuff on their own.
Back to the program.

Help me get here- why are you reading "no support" from Daw? Nobody else is particularly inclined to vote him and Nani and Meso are going after the person he's attacking, just on different grounds. (Nani's argument is unique and distinct and I'm getting townvibes from it tho.)
What I mean is his posts are longwinded, wordy, and not convincing at all, without any force of personality to BS his way past it. That seems like the kind of thing other scum would be discouraging him from doing in their QT, since he is not helping his case at all. I may be falling for a double bluff, but you have to call it at some point.
This is actually a really good point. Hm.

I'm going to take a break and then do a reset on my overall perceptions of the game- honestly Daw coming out swinging like this feels a bit too good to be true, and I do think that things like this
Here we have the slightly suspicious passing the ball between BB and Byz again. The Daw wagon nearly grinded to a halt. So BB asks Byz why he doesn't suspect Daw anymore, Byz answers and BB has a reason to take her vote off him.

I'll note from my perspective it feels like BB is trying to pocket me. But I'm really paranoid about that stuff due to irl stuff, so take that feeling with a salt shaker or 3.
He said that before but I didn't quoted that. All I have to say is: It ain't pocketing if you are in the same team. ;)

The problem is identically distributed probability doesn't make sense - scum have a distinct motive to behave somewhat differently than Town. To me what you are doing feels the scummiest - wait for a significant Town v Town fight, then try to shift it against the most dangerous player involved, but stay out of it yourself. ...That's actually exactly the thing Daw did that started the entire mess with him; he shoved the first wagon without actually jumping on it. Mind you it would not shock me if one of the other three were scum, but statistical arguments are useless here.
No we get to the wonderfull world of the statistics argument... *Sigh*
About the post: He's not wrong, you know. Which makes this whole thing so hard right now.

@Cyricubed popping in saying they were going to post when they caught up then not really doing so was notable, given I know Cyric is a good player, but I'm not aware enough of their style to know how typical that is. I know getting QT to talk on day one is pulling teeth, and no one ever listens to Comi, including comi.
Trying to get other people to post, bonus points for this but sadly NAI I guess.

I am...so hard trying to motivate myself to read through and I keep getting glaze eyed and de-motivated. And I think it's because I'm really busy these last few days. Could someone please give me a summary? And include maybe if like, someone claimed or something? I'm just having issues chugging through 20 pages of text and there's a daunting amount of text-walls in those posts.
Daw got overwhelmed and asked to sub out, and seems to be sticking to it, so you can skip anything he posted. It all basically comes down to "Daw is a new player that is overly verbose and if he's scum he's really bad at not attracted a bunch of attention and looking bad."

More recently there's been some talk about BB and Meso possibly being scum.
Huh, didn't really realize it that time. While his summary is mostly true, he lefts out the part about himself being a wagon for a short time and the reason why BB was under suspicion. *Slightly raised eyebrow*

It's weird to me that Cyri has a better idea of if I'm town or scum because we played together and I honestly think I've gotten worse at reading him.
Cyri is apparently really good, so if it was as easy as teaming with him a couple times I would be surprised.

I am noting that you two are publicly playing up distancing, though.
Hmm, in a scum Byz world, that looks like unnecessary shading on 1k. So I guess they won't be in a team.

It finally hit me what felt off about Meso. It feels like he started with the conclusion and tried to work up an argument for why it made sense, but couldn't come up with a good one. So he tried throwing numbers out there hoping it would make everyone glaze over and not pay attention to the fact that any combination is, naturally, equally likely in a void. And that this isn't a void anyway. And scum can coordinate while town cannot - that makes it likely that if scum were involved it was preplanned to some degree, which makes trying random distributions even less wise. So...

[X] Lynch mesonoxian

The wagon was literally two people in the first two hours of day 1. (Also I'm a noob and getting unfortunate attention is to be expected, Daw had the same thing happen.)

IH started the push (and in fact is the only one still on me). Daw was trying to jump on the wagon without actually joining it, which was what was strange from my point of view. But a Day 1, day 1 lynch from the first few hours? BB is too good to panic that easily and quickly, even if I was scum with her.
Starting to shade meso and answering a bit on his stuff.
Only want to remark something on the last part. Under the assumption that BB and Byz are both scum, I wouldn't expect her to jump in to save him that early. I'd see that more as a good starting point to stir the direction of the thread. Byz didn't need any rescuing that early in the day.

Every time I brought it up, I made a point to say that a town read on Dawiusz was entirely consistent with Byzantine, BB, and yourself being town, but a scum read on Dawiusz wasn't compatible with any of you being scum. If I was trying to push a scum read with that analysis, that would make no sense.
It makes perfect sense. As scum you know full well we are all town, so you are trying to hedge your statements so you can deflect future suspicion when people come back to look at your previous play.
(Also, being teamed as Scum with BB, or Rosen, or Nictis would be a dream. This is my first game and I really have no idea what I am doing, and assistance from a good player would be lovely. Frankly the first time I'm actually scum is probably going to be obvious by how different I'll be than the flailing mess I am here.)
I might be reading too much into things but these two parts seem like some really weird TMI to me. Someone let me know if I'm just crazy please
And here we have Rosen's suspected TMI.
About Byz second post: Yeah, that might be true and understandable, still you repeat this the third time now.
The first part: Hmm, now I see what Rosen gets as TMI, it's not "I'm not scum" but "we are all town", speaking for two other people he shouldn't really be sure of on day 1. Given Rosen is town, very strong shade on the surviving player should Nictis or Byz flip scum.

Great, tbh I glaze over the Byz-Meso argument.
In other news I have to go now and might not be able to finish this stuff today. So I stop at post #603.

Note: It's unfinished as of now. What it take from it is probably a slight scum read of Byz, maybe in a scum team with BB/Nictis ... but I'm not totally sure about it. TBH I'll probably have to wait for rereading BB again and how Nictis and Byz interact with each other in the future.

Another note: Please feel free to comment and give advice on this mess, since it was a first attempt.
 
But we have the discussion solely between BB and Dawiusz, with Byz standing by until he suddenly decides to copy BB's argument and start a Dawiusz wagon (had already shade on him by BB and Rosen)... which seems a bit opportune. Who doesn't want a free lynch to build by other people.
I didn't actually read BB's post until after I had made mine. Directing shade on someone without voting them for pressure is just really weird, but in hindsight was probably just a noob mistake. I seem to recall IH having problems with voting properly last game.

Asked by BB about his opinion on Rosen. And suddenly I can see the argument with the Rosen-BB relation, although I see it between BB and Byz. I mean, both of them control more or less the thread with Rosen chiming in from time to time. Mostly going back and forth about what the other players did... which is fine when no one else does stuff.
Urghh, I'm not really sure this is leading anywhere right now
Side note: And here I'm feeling hypocritical, suspecting Byz for posting too much while one of my last day 1 posts was telling him to keep on posting and being active.
I kept really wanting someone else to post already, but BB kept responding or asking me things, and as I say below (I'm going upwards through your post) I work better with someone to bounce off of. BB kept playing the role even after it got called out as suspicious, which was annoying because I couldn't stop - part of posting so much is to practice - and because there isn't many ways that I can think of defend against "You keep talking to this person."

Context: Meso about BB potentially stirring the wagon from Byz to Dawiusz to save the scum mate. While Byz definitely has a point, here we have the second "Look at me, I'm flying solo and ain't in a QT. I'm definitely town".
To be clear, complaining about being unable to get help is a common refrain from me when I'm stressed/screwing up. I work better with people I can bounce off of. I learn relatively quickly, but require actual experience to get anywhere. I will quite honestly say being scum my first game would have been way less stressful than this is. I know how to play 3rd tier at other things, seems it would translate pretty directly here. This is not me playing 3rd tier. I've got the highest post count for god's sake.

We are talking about newbies, a bit of waffling and cracking under pressure is probably expected. For me it would be far more suspicious if a newb suddenly has a perfect rhetoric when put under pressure. I expect newbs to be let play for themselves in their first game. Perfect play would just seem strange. So let them do their early mistakes if it isn't too damning. Everything else would seems more strange. The coaching can then happen afterwards, when the initial impressions are done. In addition, you want new players to continue playing, so they have to be able to do stuff on their own.

Ah, we have a philosophic disagreement here. I find being left in the wind is very discouraging, particularly when/if you can make disastrous mistakes that you could and should have been warned about ahead of time because they are common. This would be less of a problem if mafia games were shorter, so getting yourself lynched doesn't lead to as much down time, but they are so it does.

Huh, didn't really realize it that time. While his summary is mostly true, he lefts out the part about himself being a wagon for a short time and the reason why BB was under suspicion. *Slightly raised eyebrow*

I was still sort-of a wagon at the time. I don't remember why I left that out or if I just didn't think of it - it's kinda obvious from my point of view, and part of the point of playing for me is to stop assuming other people know what I do as much.

Also I seem to recall the reason for BB being under suspicion had already been stated, but that may just be me mixing up events.

The first part: Hmm, now I see what Rosen gets as TMI, it's not "I'm not scum" but "we are all town", speaking for two other people he shouldn't really be sure of on day 1. Given Rosen is town, very strong shade on the surviving player should Nictis or Byz flip scum.
Huh. Yeah, definitely let my fingers get ahead of my brain on that one. I was pursuing a theory hoping they would slip more. They didn't. But no, I only have my reads to kinda-sorta-hope they are town. I think I was trying to say "If you are scum you would know if this conversation was town v town, so it would make perfect sense you would jump on it and try to fuel the fire."
 
Expect me to be very active on Saturday. Been and continue to be busier than anticipated. Tomorrow currently is quite free though so I'll get to dive into things.
 
@Nanimani Why are you voting to lynch 1k? I can find it isn't because of them voting for Rosen, but I am unable to find the actual reason.

Anyway, I'm going to try pressuring inactivity. Comi and QT have the same number of posts, but Comi says they will be more active tomorrow in the above post so I'm going with QT.

[X] Lynch QTesseract
 
Inserted tally
Adhoc vote count started by Oshha on Nov 22, 2019 at 5:53 PM, finished with 48 posts and 2 votes.

  • [X] Lynch 1KBestK
    [X] Lynch QTesseract
 
Okay, it has definitely been a slow day.

I'm currently leaning town with 1k, Nictis and Byzantine. That said, I'm worried I'm letting the fact I'm strongly sympathising with 1k influence my stance on her while my Nictis read is more due to BB's actions than Nictis'. With Byzantine, they strike me as newbie town, but after Tota in Clown Mafia, I'm wary that it might be a ruse so them acting like a town newbie is only a weak point in their favour.
 
I need more people to post to accomplish anything, since I have no idea how to question alone. So... I'll second the inactivity vote.

[X} Lynch QTesseract

@Oshha: Do you have any insights as to what Daw was doing with your slot on D1 you can share?
 
@Nanimani Why are you voting to lynch 1k? I can find it isn't because of them voting for Rosen, but I am unable to find the actual reason.

Anyway, I'm going to try pressuring inactivity. Comi and QT have the same number of posts, but Comi says they will be more active tomorrow in the above post so I'm going with QT.

[X] Lynch QTesseract
They started with this:
Anyways, wow, people are already justifying their vote-switching on Rosen before pressure's on them, huh? Well, cause and effect may be reduced, but let's just-

[X] Lynch 1KBestK

You know, I remember that "This person arguing against me's getting me real mad so fuck'em" from last game, when you were scum. It's not really a reason that indicates you as town.
And when I pointed out me getting mad is NAI they responded with this:
It doesn't indicate you're scum, but it also doesn't indicate you're town.
So you know. The whole no reasoning at time of vote vote near the end on a townie is good enough for me.
So they're simultaneously shading me for explaining my reason for voting and shading me for not explaining it before. Which sure is a thing.
 
@Oshha: Do you have any insights as to what Daw was doing with your slot on D1 you can share?

Newbie town looking for the first scumslip he could without realising they wouldn't be so easy to find one and then getting super-defensive when people starting going after them. They mistakenly thought BB did a scumslip and then went after people accusing them of being scummy themselves by working backwards to justify them being scum. Basically newbie doing newbie things with not understanding the complexities of the social side of the game combined with being very defensive when accused by going after their accuser.

So they're simultaneously shading me for explaining my reason for voting and shading me for not explaining it before. Which sure is a thing.

Hence why I am asking them to explain the reasoning for their vote on you.

Oh, and both me and @Oshha are idiots and forgot to @QTesseract: post please, we're voting to lynch you for inactivity.

Oh, @QTesseract we've putting pressure on you for inactivity in order to try and get the thread moving because it has been pretty slow today.
 
I'm going to leave my lynch on @Nanimani for the time being. I really would like an answer to my earlier question, and I'm also curious about the 1K vote.
[X] Lynch Nanimani
 
Ah right. To try to figure out more about the set up: Was anyone roleblocked last night? (Note to the other newbs: Being roleblocked does not imply you actually have a role which can be blocked. Traditionally anyone roleblocked gets the associated PM regardless of if they had a night action to take.)

Given we appear to have at least two VT this is probably a low power set up. Scum having a RB is consistent with that, though, but can unbalance easily if not found.
I got a PM saying nothing interesting happened to me. Did everyone else get the same message?

Also, sorry for being offline most of the day. It's been crazy. I'll try to be here more tomorrow.
 
Same. Was a bit odd, I was not expecting a pm for the end of the night if nothing happened to me, but I'm guessing that's just how this one is being hosted.
 
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