Stark Quest 2.0: The Search for Shinies
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Interesting, so plugging some numbers Harlon should be able to get all of his augments to level 2 within a few days at most.
Another *question I have regarding mind magic, you state the following in the mind magic explanation section
Is there a different formula for if Harlon is learning mind magic on his own? Also the formula doesn't seem to take into account the skill of the teacher at mind magic? Would this work by substituting the users mind magic understanding with the teachers? Or maybe half the teachers?
Just throwing things out there, feel free to ignore it.
One question, what is with Dany? We didn't talk to her yet at all and the plan does not include her.
Edit: And Viserys. Keep forgetting that one. He has no magic, but Harlon should talk with him at least once.
Edit2: Viserys is the new Theon. Nobody thinks of him. Only if we need someone for Blood Glamour. Then are all eyes on him.
Edit: And Viserys. Keep forgetting that one. He has no magic, but Harlon should talk with him at least once.
Edit2: Viserys is the new Theon. Nobody thinks of him. Only if we need someone for Blood Glamour. Then are all eyes on him.
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[X] Atri
Reasoning: A second opinion can net us something we missed, or at least a sound board for our plans, Jon would approves as it would seem as a method to curb our too logical decisions, and give us time to wait for the men come back with the birds (and board too).
Also to @Enjou plan: Bad Harlon! Faith philandery is bad, bad, bad! No more books too you...
@Ishaq: We can combine the two of then, an non useful Vyseris, glamored permanently to look like Theon and a bit of Destruction so he can't remember who he was, so we can have Theon 2.0, Twice the uselessness! The best of two words! A good supply of royal blood for later use, and not a consequence from the squids....
Reasoning: A second opinion can net us something we missed, or at least a sound board for our plans, Jon would approves as it would seem as a method to curb our too logical decisions, and give us time to wait for the men come back with the birds (and board too).
Also to @Enjou plan: Bad Harlon! Faith philandery is bad, bad, bad! No more books too you...
@Ishaq: We can combine the two of then, an non useful Vyseris, glamored permanently to look like Theon and a bit of Destruction so he can't remember who he was, so we can have Theon 2.0, Twice the uselessness! The best of two words! A good supply of royal blood for later use, and not a consequence from the squids....
I'd still like to see if we can pull off a devour Viserys' heart to steal his strength/form ritual.
We should indeed talk to Daenerys next. So:
[X] Atri
- [X] and also go and interview Daenerys along with Jon.
Ignoring her and what we can learn from her is inconsistent with our approach to the host.
We should indeed talk to Daenerys next. So:
[X] Atri
- [X] and also go and interview Daenerys along with Jon.
Ignoring her and what we can learn from her is inconsistent with our approach to the host.
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T-T
It doesn't seem like we'll get an excuse to do the blood ritual anytime soon.
It doesn't seem like we'll get an excuse to do the blood ritual anytime soon.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Don't we already know those cost thousands of BP? Far more than even a single life?
"Alright Jon, I have a cunning plan."
"Shit."
"Shut your face. The new OPERATION BLOOD GLAMOUR is brilliant. We glamour Viserys to look like Theon, then I addle his mind with Destruction magic - no one will be able to tell the difference anyways. The Greyjoys don't flip out, Robb has an idiot to whore with, and we get access to unlimited Targaryen blood.
I can also honestly tell his sister I didn't murder her brother. Pretty sure that should help me get in her panties. I have it on good authority that bitches love non-murdered siblings. My books haven't steered me wrong yet."
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We don't need an excuse, we need an alibi!
I'm hoping to side step the requirement by making the heart the anchor for a Glamour and then permanently making the heart part of ourself by eating it and making it part of us. Viserys is also special. He's a King from a very magical bloodline.
In the future, I could see some interesting tricks regarding transplants and glamours when we get better at the OP and medicine.
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Evillevi
A Pikachu for everything - Shadow Pikachu,2015
Can you wait until Enjou, comes online and clarifies stuff with his vote. Since as pointed out a lot of people want's to use his plan with modifications.But why no one just makes a plan without it I have no idea.
Edit: I have no idea what's going on right now and RL makes me busy :'(
Does a majority of people really want to ignore Daenerys and Viserys?
Viserys, at least, isn't a danger, and there are things we might be able to learn from him. I doubt Ithroen had time to debrief us for everything. Learning more about him and how he acts could come in very useful anyway.
Daenerys, from what we've seen, isn't a real danger to us either, and we're now in a very good position to give her worldview a major knock, by having Tavar's host tell her what's actually going on.
I strongly doubt that Daenerys will buy that Tavar is actually a goddess, and hearing the host describe her as one should make her realise that things were very wrong.
We can't keep them unconscious indefinitely, otherwise this is going to turn into a horrible mess as they die of dehydration.
Viserys, at least, isn't a danger, and there are things we might be able to learn from him. I doubt Ithroen had time to debrief us for everything. Learning more about him and how he acts could come in very useful anyway.
Daenerys, from what we've seen, isn't a real danger to us either, and we're now in a very good position to give her worldview a major knock, by having Tavar's host tell her what's actually going on.
I strongly doubt that Daenerys will buy that Tavar is actually a goddess, and hearing the host describe her as one should make her realise that things were very wrong.
We can't keep them unconscious indefinitely, otherwise this is going to turn into a horrible mess as they die of dehydration.
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Alright, damn. That's a fair point. I'll bite the bullet and revise Enjou's into something more inclusive, gimme a minute.
@Mazrick - how long till Viserys and Dany wake up if they aren't re-drugged
With Possession 3, what constitutes a link sufficient for possession? Can some quick and dirty blood magic accomplish this if needed?
@Mazrick - how long till Viserys and Dany wake up if they aren't re-drugged
With Possession 3, what constitutes a link sufficient for possession? Can some quick and dirty blood magic accomplish this if needed?
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Why would we be ignoring Dany or Viserys if we go with my plan? I'm just asking you guys to agree to talk to Jon. We don't know if he has better ideas or other approaches. Once we've done that, I'm all for dealing with the Targs. But what use is talking to Jon, if we already have formulated a plan that says exactly what we're gonna do with them? We can put all our ideas in front of Jon and let him look at them with fresh eyes.
@Unelemental - Removing the R'hllor bit, as I forgot they are slavers. I'll just add "any other avenues of research Harlon would think of IC".
We had nine hours worth of laced daggers if we wanted to keep all three out for nine hours. The prior plan just had us bind and gag Viserys since he's not all that dangerous to get more time. We've woken up Erina, so we should still have a few hours left for Dany, and we've sent someone out to get more Essence of Night.
Touching works. He's confirmed that. Hence why I'm buying caged birds.
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Oh I dunno. For all we know, she might be able to use naming against US!
I mean ter'angreal don't protect against naming.
Thats what you were worried about before, what changed?
Not indefinitely, until we go out and come back with the herbs necessary for the ritual.
EDIT: Though I suppose interrogating Erina about her first might get us something usefull.
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[X] Enjou
Reasoning: I'm all for cautiously feeling Erina out, since she seems like a victim and a potential future asset. We just need to wean her off Tavar and show her that freedom is actually a good way to live. And we have to gather information on Drogo and Ithroen as quickly as possible and get the herbs for the oath, so the rest of the plan is okay as well.
Reasoning: I'm all for cautiously feeling Erina out, since she seems like a victim and a potential future asset. We just need to wean her off Tavar and show her that freedom is actually a good way to live. And we have to gather information on Drogo and Ithroen as quickly as possible and get the herbs for the oath, so the rest of the plan is okay as well.
Enjou.. You know that people need water? You can't keep her drugged that long. And right now we have time. We don't know what shit is awaiting us tomorrow. We should talk to Dany know.
And Viserys I think. That one always slips my mind. Magic is at work, I tell you! He is the most powerful of all.
And Viserys I think. That one always slips my mind. Magic is at work, I tell you! He is the most powerful of all.
Enjou.. You know that people need water? You can't keep her drugged that long. And right now we have time. We don't know what shit is awaiting us tomorrow. We should talk to Dany know.
And Viserys I think. That one always slips my mind. Magic is at work, I tell you! He is the most powerful of all.
With Medicine 10 I would presume that Harlon knows how to take care of someone who is unconscious for a few days.
Evillevi
A Pikachu for everything - Shadow Pikachu,2015
That ... is a really good pointEnjou.. You know that people need water? You can't keep her drugged that long. And right now we have time. We don't know what shit is awaiting us tomorrow. We should talk to Dany know.
And Viserys I think. That one always slips my mind. Magic is at work, I tell you! He is the most powerful of all.
I don't think we should wait for long, since anything can happen in the meantime, but we can't start Dany's interrogation without an oath either way.
Agreed. Mazrick didn't include a "Talk With Dany" option this time so I presume he will once we've got the oath stuff.
We now have much better information and protection from that kind of thing, and can take steps to protect ourself.
The blood ritual to compel her to tell the truth is a terrible idea. I think people are forgetting how badly blood magic is seen. Daenerys has no reason to believe us or cooperate with something that for all she knows would enslave her or worse if she voluntarily participates.
I think it's more likely to provoke hostility or an attempt to escape heedless of the costs and risks rather than cooperation.
Not at the current technology level with no equipment. There's nothing like a drip possible.
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
[X] Plan Enjou: Dubstep Remix
[X] Focus on Drogo. Find out what a Champion of the Gods is.
-[X] The Khal is the biggest threat to us right now, and we need to figure out what he is doing. You now know that magic and demons are real - what can be said of the gods? This notion of a divine Champion isn't something to be ignored or underestimated.
-[X] Have the men continue looking for Lord Hightower. Also be on the lookout for rumors about the Dothraki - the city must be abuzz with talk about their actions given the fire they were involved with at the docks.
-[X] Focus on improving your magic, specifically Possession. Use Focus + Acceleration and any other tricks you know to improve learning.
--[X] As soon as viable, use the birds procured by your men to scout out Drogo's manse via Possession. Figure out how defended it is, and try to confirm the presence of Jorah, Ithroen, or Malora.
[X] Interrogate Viserys
-[X] His sister is still unconscious, and the far more dangerous of the pair. Use this down time to see if the Pretender has any information. While you have seen little suggesting any particular cunning on his part, do not underestimate him. Jon is to be ready to subdue him if necessary.
-[X] It is unlikely he would tell us anything willingly, but Harlon is much smarter than he is. It shouldn't be possible to use his temper and arrogance against him, leading him into giving up information. Now that he is out of the Shardplate, use of Mind Magic may help this - for example, Aura's could make him more pliable.
-[X] Focus primarily on any information he has on Drogo, Illyrio's allies, or anything else Harlon thinks could be useful for surviving this ordeal.
-[X] Afterwards, confirm his plans for Dany and Westeros. Try to tease out more information about Dany - it may come in handy for her interrogation.
[X] Keep Dany unconscious for now, ensuring her continued health with your medical skills. She is too dangerous to deserve anything less than our full attention, and information from Viserys or help from Erlina may prove useful in her own interrogation.
-[X] If her health is in danger or more Essence of Night can't be bough, reassess.
[X] Handle Erina with caution. She might still regard Tavar as a goddess, in spite of being told otherwise. While she may simply be trying to get on your good side to protect herself, she is nonetheless clearly using her charms to manipulate you. Keep her in her cell most of the time, but make sure she gets some chances to get out each day so she's not feeling trapped. Keep your mental defenses up when around her, as well as the cuendillar chain, and allow nobody to be in the same room with her without you or either Jon or Robb in Shardplate present.
-[X] Her door should be guarded always by two men who know F&V. Preferably ones who are already happily married.
-[X] Teach her about your own religion. Tell her of the Old Gods, the gods of earth, stone, and tree, and their laws, especially the one against slavery.
-[X] Tell her a bit about your prior experiences with demons. How you fought Narsuul and he possessed Red Ronyll, and without giving details about the Hightowers or that you have him bound how you fought off Ithroen's attempt to possess you, about reading the book that gave you details on the Forsaken and their names. "Tavar, the Dreamless" may sound innocuous enough on it's own, but when it's listed as the second among the likes of "Alûthair, The Speaker of Obscenities", "Labarta, The Diseased", or "Dath'riel, The Sin" it doesn't sound so good.
-[X] See if she knows cyvasse. If she doesn't, teach her and play a few games with her. Try to establish a rapport to get her to trust you. And do try not to utterly crush the poor girl if she's a novice at it. Maybe even let her win a game, if barely.
-[X] Multi-task. We may have other pressing concerns, and this is rather low priority as long as her needs are seen to. If nothing else, practice magic while we talk to her.
[!] Justice #2
[X] Veracity
[X] Focus on Drogo. Find out what a Champion of the Gods is.
-[X] The Khal is the biggest threat to us right now, and we need to figure out what he is doing. You now know that magic and demons are real - what can be said of the gods? This notion of a divine Champion isn't something to be ignored or underestimated.
-[X] Have the men continue looking for Lord Hightower. Also be on the lookout for rumors about the Dothraki - the city must be abuzz with talk about their actions given the fire they were involved with at the docks.
-[X] Focus on improving your magic, specifically Possession. Use Focus + Acceleration and any other tricks you know to improve learning.
--[X] As soon as viable, use the birds procured by your men to scout out Drogo's manse via Possession. Figure out how defended it is, and try to confirm the presence of Jorah, Ithroen, or Malora.
[X] Interrogate Viserys
-[X] His sister is still unconscious, and the far more dangerous of the pair. Use this down time to see if the Pretender has any information. While you have seen little suggesting any particular cunning on his part, do not underestimate him. Jon is to be ready to subdue him if necessary.
-[X] It is unlikely he would tell us anything willingly, but Harlon is much smarter than he is. It shouldn't be possible to use his temper and arrogance against him, leading him into giving up information. Now that he is out of the Shardplate, use of Mind Magic may help this - for example, Aura's could make him more pliable.
-[X] Focus primarily on any information he has on Drogo, Illyrio's allies, or anything else Harlon thinks could be useful for surviving this ordeal.
-[X] Afterwards, confirm his plans for Dany and Westeros. Try to tease out more information about Dany - it may come in handy for her interrogation.
[X] Keep Dany unconscious for now, ensuring her continued health with your medical skills. She is too dangerous to deserve anything less than our full attention, and information from Viserys or help from Erlina may prove useful in her own interrogation.
-[X] If her health is in danger or more Essence of Night can't be bough, reassess.
[X] Handle Erina with caution. She might still regard Tavar as a goddess, in spite of being told otherwise. While she may simply be trying to get on your good side to protect herself, she is nonetheless clearly using her charms to manipulate you. Keep her in her cell most of the time, but make sure she gets some chances to get out each day so she's not feeling trapped. Keep your mental defenses up when around her, as well as the cuendillar chain, and allow nobody to be in the same room with her without you or either Jon or Robb in Shardplate present.
-[X] Her door should be guarded always by two men who know F&V. Preferably ones who are already happily married.
-[X] Teach her about your own religion. Tell her of the Old Gods, the gods of earth, stone, and tree, and their laws, especially the one against slavery.
-[X] Tell her a bit about your prior experiences with demons. How you fought Narsuul and he possessed Red Ronyll, and without giving details about the Hightowers or that you have him bound how you fought off Ithroen's attempt to possess you, about reading the book that gave you details on the Forsaken and their names. "Tavar, the Dreamless" may sound innocuous enough on it's own, but when it's listed as the second among the likes of "Alûthair, The Speaker of Obscenities", "Labarta, The Diseased", or "Dath'riel, The Sin" it doesn't sound so good.
-[X] See if she knows cyvasse. If she doesn't, teach her and play a few games with her. Try to establish a rapport to get her to trust you. And do try not to utterly crush the poor girl if she's a novice at it. Maybe even let her win a game, if barely.
-[X] Multi-task. We may have other pressing concerns, and this is rather low priority as long as her needs are seen to. If nothing else, practice magic while we talk to her.
[!] Justice #2
[X] Veracity
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Are people really happy telling Tavar's hopefully former host that we (remember, this could still be Tavar playing a role) have been in contact other Forsaken and know about them. It pretty much means we can never release her, we either have to keep her or kill her.
The cyvasse playing is just stupid. I have no words for it beyond that.
The cyvasse playing is just stupid. I have no words for it beyond that.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
How long has she been drugged?
We mentioned reading about the Forsaken in a book. It isn't even a lie - don't we actually have the book?
The cyvasse is just an example of something to do with her. It's pretty clear it's the lowest priority (even just talking with her is). But we can't be studying nonstop, and will certainly have a bit of leftover time anyways.
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