Stark Quest 2.0: The Search for Shinies

Apart from the fact that Harlon clearly can't be trusted around her.

Theres a huge difference between thinking she is pretty, and trusting her without a good reason.

Harlon thought the exact same things of Dany that he did about her. Should we never talk to Dany then, because obviously theres even less reason for Harlon to be trusted with Dany?

Robb is significantly safer than we are because of the Shardplate, and because he's already involved with someone else, and is also much more likely to just treat her as a whore than Harlon is.

Harlon is much better defended thanks to his actual magical skills and the ter'angreal. Shardplates offer only 75% against mind influence.

A vast waste of time

Yes, magic is truly useless right? I am sure Harlon would agree with you.
 
Apart from the fact that Harlon clearly can't be trusted around her.

What Datakim said. Harlon finds her attractive, and then he went off on a nerd tangent about books because he's obsessed with books. Big deal. Doesn't mean he's going to do whatever she says, especially since we direct his actions.

Robb is significantly safer than we are because of the Shardplate, and because he's already involved with someone else, and is also much more likely to just treat her as a whore if she does seduce him than Harlon is.

Shardplate has only a 75% chance of blocking any control attempts, and if she gets through then Robb is putty in her hands. He has no other defenses whatsoever.

A vast waste of our time. We've an enormous amount to do and very little time to do it in. Let's delegate this to people who are better at it than us and don't have anything else to do.

Robb has Charm 8. Harlon has Charm 5. It's very clear who should be doing this. It's not Harlon.

Robb also has Wisdom 4 and Perception 5. His decision making capabilities suck, and he's far less likely to detect lies. He also has no mental defenses outside of his Shardplate. Even with a warning about her magic, he really wouldn't understand quite how dangerous she might be.
 
What Datakim said. Harlon finds her attractive, and then he went off on a nerd tangent about books because he's obsessed with books. Big deal. Doesn't mean he's going to do whatever she says, especially since we direct his actions.

We don't dictate his actions on that granular a level.

Harlon thought the exact same things of Dany that he did about her. Should we never talk to Dany then, because obviously theres even less reason for Harlon to be trusted with Dany?

It didn't effect his behaviour in the same way as we saw here.

Shardplate has only a 75% chance of blocking any control attempts, and if she gets through then Robb is putty in her hands. He has no other defenses whatsoever.

Harlon is much better defended thanks to his actual magical skills and the ter'angreal. Shardplates offer only 75% against mind influence.

75% is better than Harlon's magical skills give him, and we can give him the mental defence ter'angreal as well. Robb is very significantly better at this than Harlon is, with his Charm 8 rather than 5.

Even if Robb was worse at this rather than very significantly better, which he is, then the opportunity cost would still be overwhelming.

Yes, magic is truly useless right? I am sure Harlon would agree with you.

Harlon does not need to do this himself. He has people he can delegate this to who are much better than him at it who cannot do the unique things he can. It's because magic isn't useless that he should actually spend some time actually doing magic, rather than avoiding every opportunity to.

Robb also has Wisdom 4 and Perception 5. His decision making capabilities suck, and he's far less likely to detect lies. He also has no mental defenses outside of his Shardplate. Even with a warning about her magic, he really wouldn't understand quite how dangerous she might be.

We've just seen that Harlon's decision making capabilities are critically weakened when faced by a pretty girl, and he has no ability to notice that she's obviously manipulating him. Telling Robb to stay in Shardplate and keep the ter'angreal on is sufficient to protect him from mental attacks.

Of course, the better option is to lock her up and wait until we actually have time to invest in this rather than blindly chase the latest shiny.
 
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Erina, Erina... Wold you sing me a song?
After some posts now I'm curious, how it would compare to the bests bards with Harlon knows?
Some time with a pretty girl can help / mitigate the Dany factor...

This could be a chance to another shinny! a agent (too many DA:I) who can 'entertain' and is reasonable skilled in control + sing could be the real starter of Harlon's information network. If we can somehow gain her loyalty and bring her back with us she could be just as useful as an artifact. The devil will be assert a level of confidence we, as the hivemind, would trust her do anything without close Erina.

For the votes:

Erina

[ ] She seems like a victim, but still she needs to stay in her cell
-[ ] A little bit of comfort can go a long way to her trust.
--[ ] Limit her interaction with only Jon and Harlon, aways positive... a word, give food, play songs and games... It's never late to start indocrination.

Plans

[ ] Focus on the search of Ithroen

Name your new Shardblade

[ ] Infinite Justice !!! :ogles:
 
FYI to all, I made a slight change to telling Erina about Ithroen and whatnot. I'm telling her about the fight with Narsuul as well, and explicitly leaving out the details about us having Ithroen bound.

@Mazrick - Did we talk with Robb off screen? The whole punching him thing never happened, and that would have worked out fine in the moment but now I feel too much time has passed since the rescue for that.
 
It didn't effect his behaviour in the same way as we saw here.

We kind of can't say, side we didn't, you know, actually interact with Daenerys.

We've just seen that Harlon's decision making capabilities are critically weakened when faced by a pretty girl, and he has no ability to notice that she's obviously manipulating him. Telling Robb to stay in Shardplate and keep the ter'angreal on is sufficient to protect him from mental attacks.

Of course, the better option is to lock her up and wait until we actually have time to invest in this rather than blindly chase the latest shiny.

Of course she's manipulating Harlon, she's currently his prisoner, and doesn't want to remain that way. That doesn't mean we didn't realize, or that we'll just give in. Your paranoia is no reason for us to just lock up someone who could be useful in the future.

Also, we have no proof she's mentally influencing us: it could just be we're talking to a pretty woman who is used to seducing men, since she was a pleasure slave. And Shards and the ter'angreal we have don't help against good looks.
 
Just some curiosity on my part but what do the numbers beside each category delineate?
The two shows that Harlon increases Augmentation twice as fast as normal. The ones show he moves at the same rate. Its from a previous bonus.
A subtle Patrick Rothfuss omage?
As ROMV said, the whole Naming magic owes a great deal to Mr. Rothfuss.
Could you explain how we would run an example through this? Is every bit of time magic an entirely new branch of time magic? So would observing your own future be a different skill to observing the future of say Ned stark?
No observing the future is all one branch, but it increases in difficulty as physical and temporal distance increase. I'll try to get an example up later.
@Mazrick, willing to shed light on Harlons experience with women? :)
He's the heir to the North, so he's had noble women throwing themselves at him for years. However, he's remained somewhat aloof and disconnected in his ivory tower gaining all of the knowledge, and the settings for most of these encounters have been formal and controlled. Thus, his upbringing might not prepare him as well as one may think, but he's not Sam by any means.

Also, remember:
  1. He's eighteen and his hormones are running full tilt
  2. He's spent the last six months almost exclusively in contact with other dudes. Many of whom were a couple generations older than him.
  3. Both Daenerys and Erina are among the most beautiful women in the world. The former has a link through dreams and the latter knows the Name of the Song. As an addendum, knowing some names may change the nature of the Namer...
while she's recovering from serious illness
She wasn't sick. Tavar was, and now that she's gone, Erina is in peak physical condition.
@Mazrick - Did we talk with Robb off screen? The whole punching him thing never happened, and that would have worked out fine in the moment but now I feel too much time has passed since the rescue for that.
Yeah, I kind of dropped the ball with the whole punching thing.:oops:

Anyways, it seemed somewhat out of character for Harlon. I think he'd rather stare down his nose, lecture, or maybe use a bit of magic rather than go with the Jon Method of ReconciliationTM​.:p

Feel free to write an omake where Robb and Harlon swap weapons, and the punch could occur there. If it's of sufficient quality, which I'm sure it would be, I'd make it canon.
 
Also, remember:
  1. He's eighteen and his hormones are running full tilt
  2. He's spent the last six months almost exclusively in contact with other dudes. Many of whom were a couple generations older than him.
  3. Both Daenerys and Erina are among the most beautiful women in the world. The former has a link through dreams and the latter knows the Name of the Song. As an addendum, knowing some names may change the nature of the Namer...

Yeah, the one woman he's had semi-regular contact with is insane and would probably love to see him dead.

The thing on knowing some names changing the Namer is interesting. Being good at the name of Song could easily make one's voice and features more beautiful, since songs are often beautiful.

By the by, question on the true name of Wood - can it be used to grow trees faster? Specifically weirwoods, or would those have their own name?

Yeah, I kind of dropped the ball with the whole punching thing.:oops:

Well, like you've said, walls of text tend to get dropped when something comes up.

Anyways, it seemed somewhat out of character for Harlon. I think he'd rather stare down his nose, lecture, or maybe use a bit of magic rather than go with the Jon Method of ReconciliationTM​.:p

Before he was introduced to the superior method, I'd agree. But he'd also remember that Jon is a bit like Robb in some ways, so he might figure 'what the hell, let's make a tradition out of it'.

Feel free to write an omake where Robb and Harlon swap weapons, and the punch could occur there. If it's of sufficient quality, which I'm sure it would be, I'd make it canon.

Righto, I'll get to it.
 
Apart from the fact that Harlon clearly can't be trusted around her.
Oh yeah. Thinking a chick is hot and thus lowering your guard clearly means she's wielding magic. Not just that part of Harlon's brain is stuck on "Tits!" instead of "Plans!"

Brb, murdering some "witches", :p



Really, it just goes to show he needs to up his F&V. And grow out of being a teenager.
 
Really, it just goes to show he needs to up his F&V. And grow out of being a teenager.
The former is difficult since F&V prohibits the use of Shiny Mind Magic, and the latter is spot on.
Hmmm... I wonder if the Old Gods would be willing to give their Favored an assist?
Maybe or maybe not. They could decide to throw you a bone, or they could decide that learning the Name would be a proper rite of passage to earn additional favor.
 
That was mostly to the plan writing people but now the GM has oked it we should definitely do it, probably wouldn't cost much if it even does have a cost.
Ah, yeah I was just pointing out that it was viable. Whether doing so is optimal is another story.

I will close the vote in 11 hours, since I don't have classes tomorrow. I'd like to get a pair of updates posted tomorrow, but that relies on how well the votes go.
 
Ok, here's the promised omake. 1266 words.

A New Stark Tradition

Robb had been shocked when Harlon had shown up to rescue him and Theon. He would have expected his father to have ordered Harlon home, all things considered. Did that mean that Harlon had disobeyed their father? It was almost a ridiculous thought, but here they were.

Harlon and Jon had apparently needed to talk about the situation and deal with something they'd found in the cheesemonger's manse, which was fine with Robb. He needed some time to himself. Theon's death had hit him hard, and he really didn't want to think about it, but he had run out of things to do while he was waiting for Harlon to come tell him what to do next. Theon was his best friend, and his loss had left a hole that he didn't think could be filled.

A small part of him wanted to blame Harlon for coming, that if he hadn't Theon would be alive, but he couldn't. He knew if the positions were reversed he'd do the same thing, and he'd have probably fucked it up far worse and then both Theon and Harlon would be dead. No, Harlon was the smartest person Robb knew. Probably the smartest person in all of Westeros, if not the world. Harlon took risks, but they were rarely foolish ones. If Harlon had thought it the best time to strike, then it probably was. It was his fault for getting himself and Theon captured anyways. Further, he knew that Harlon would probably blame himself anyways.

"Robb." Harlon's voice pulled him from his thoughts.

"Harlon, I...," He stopped himself from making excuses. He knew what was coming. One of Harlon's lectures, and one that was thoroughly deserved. Harlon would tell him how much a fool he'd been for coming all the way to Pentos to duel Jorah Mormont, and how much trouble he'd caused his father and the North in not only getting himself and Theon captured but also losing his Shardplate and Ice, only to have them be giving to Viserys Targaryen of all people.

That is not what happened. The next thing Robb knew he was on the floor, his jaw aching. What the fuck!? Harlon had just punched him! And it wasn't a bad punch either. Had Harlon gotten stronger?

"You damned fucking idiot of a brother, do you have any idea how much I was worried about you?"

Harlon held out his hand to help him up, and Robb took it. Harlon's grip was fairly strong. Yes, Harlon had definitely been doing some kind of training. Harlon hugged him tight, and Robb reciprocated. Both twin brothers had tears in their eyes.

"I'm glad you're alright. I don't know what I'd do if my idiot brother was lost to me."

Robb actually managed a laugh. "Yeah, I'm really glad to see you. I honestly thought I might never see you or home again. But what the hell Harlon, I was expecting a lecture and you punch me? Didn't think you had it in you!"

"Well, about that... I managed to make Jon both pissed off and pleased with me at the same time, and it's what he did. I figured we could make it a family tradition." Harlon chuckled, but then he became somber. "I'm sorry about Theon. I know he was your friend, and probably like another brother to you. Hell, I thought he was an ass, but even part of me thought of him as a second little brother I had to watch out for..."

"Thank you, Harlon. It means a lot to hear you say that. Don't blame yourself. There's nothing to be done for it."

Harlon looked uncertain about it. "Yeah, still, I'll try to do better in the future if I can. Now... why did you disobey father in the first place? I'm not going to judge, we'll both get enough of that from father when we get back, but..."

"Uhm... I was trying to impress Dacey Mormont, and Theon thought this might work."

Both Harlon and Jon facepalmed.

"Hey! You said you wouldn't judge."

Harlon and Jon exchanged looks, and Harlon responded with a sheepish grin. "I lied."

The three brothers simultaneously burst out laughing.

"Ok, let's just figure out what we should do next."

"Yeah... about that. There's some things you need to know, Robb. I'll start with the most important fact." It was then that Harlon started muttering some words that sounded outright impossible to Robb's ears. Suddenly, the flame from a nearby candle leapt from the wick straight into Harlon's palm. "Magic is real."

Robb gaped in awe, as Harlon held the flame, and then returned it to the candle.

"What I just showed you was the True Name of Fire, something I'm admittedly not too good at yet. Even so, I have other magics. But I should tell you how I came to attain this knowledge...," Harlon then regaled him of the tale of his last few months in Oldtown. Harlon had fought a Demon of all things, and then learned magic from Archmaester Marwyn. He had then started learning the magics of the First Men from Lord Leyton Hightower. The notion that Harlon could actually think twice as fast now actually frightened Robb a little - Harlon already thought faster than everyone else. How many metaphorical swords would be chucked off castle walls now that Harlon's genius was in overdrive? Harlon finished his story, getting to how they arrived at this point.

Then he let the next bomb drop.

"Jon and I are going to teach you some magic."

"What?" Robb was shocked. Him, learn magic?

"Yes. Jon is very talented at the magic of Time, specifically in the realm of Observation. Right now he can reliably see a few seconds into the future."

Robb blinked. "Well, that sounds impressive, but what's the use of that?"

It was Jon that responded. "Think about it, will you? What if you had known even a fraction of a second in advance what Jorah was going to do when you fought him. What if you could know how he'd move, if you're about to get hit, or if the blow you intend is going to fail?"

Robb's eyes lit up at the prospect. Jon was already a tough opponent, but he could now predict his opponent like that? There's no way in hell he'd ever win a sparring match again. Harlon though saw the gears turning in Robb's head and had to speak up.

"I will warn you though, there are risks. Overuse of this ability can lead to insanity, temporary or even permanent if you abuse the ability too badly." Harlon continued to tell him of the risks, of how it could be countered. Robb didn't fail to pay attention. He was excited to learn something so powerful, but if Harlon was saying it could drive him mad he'd be cautious. Being reckless had gotten him into enough trouble for a good long while.

"Good, it looks like you understand. Now, I'm going to give Ice back to you, and I'd like you to give me the Shardblade you got from the cheesemonger. You're better with a greatsword than a Shardblade, and I'm better with a Shardblade than a greatsword. Best to be optimal, if we're going to make it home." Robb nodded and made the exchange. "Thanks. We'll begin your lessons tomorrow. For now I need to go take a nap. It's been a long day. You should probably get some sleep too when you get a chance."

"Yeah, see you in the morning."
 
Ah, yeah I was just pointing out that it was viable. Whether doing so is optimal is another story.

Yeah, we'll go with possession right now I think. The Iron Bank may or may not be trustworthy at this moment in time. Let's wait until we have Illyrio's bank accounts so as to make ourself a very valued customer first.
 
[X] Enjou

REASONING: I find nothing wrong with your vote, and we don't automatically alienate Erina.
 
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