And she wouldn't really need a lyre. The word is Song, one can sing perfectly well without instruments. But assuming that she has super-effective mind-control because of the Name is a bit much. Tavar certainly wouldn't discard such an ability.
Stark Quest 2.0: The Search for Shinies
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The Fire could have been Ithroen fighting Jorah, but given his condition, I think that's too much to hope for.
Winterfell, capital of the North? Yes it should be. Robb met Dacey Mormont somehow, and the Stark children are much older in canon, so there should have been a parade of potential spouses presented to them for the best part of a decade by now.
Robb's certainly currently in-lust with Dacey Mormont. Whether there's any more to it than that is impossible to say. Given his age, it's pretty unlikely that there's anything lasting there.
I don't think there's any reason to believe that she's in love with him.
That's what a gag is for.
If she's made the girl worship her, she's not discarding it by changing host.
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Dunno. The fact we did not actually take anything from him and mutilate his soul may have helped there. Not saying he would be at full strength, but he might have been able to start a fire as a distraction and then jump out to hide somewhere to recover fully.
Don't name the sword. We're probably going to have to give it to Ithroen, and this will make it harder.
I'd also try to select men who are either happily married or gay to guard the host.
We knew that he'd be asleep for a day. That doesn't finish me with confidence. I'm wondering if he used Fire to dramatically suicide to prevent being killed with a Shardblade
:/ Which is exactly what I'm arguing against. Gagging and tying up a potential ally that we can supervise because of an unfounded suspicion of mind-control, instead of trying to determine if she's really a threat by talking to her...
We won't get anywhere this way.
...Tavar thought the skill is useless.
Since when is mind-control useless?
G'night.
I doubt we can find men who are openly gay in our guards - and we're not that close to them to know who's secretly gay. This is still a medieval society, after all, with marriage, children and everything else being espoused. And even happily married men stray.
We don't want at least one shard blade?
While I don't support letting her out, I don't really want to make her feel too much a prisoner by having guards in the room constantly staring at her. She is apparently a skilled namer, so if Harlon could win her allegiance, she could be quite usefull as an ally and a teacher. Lets not alienate her unless its truly necessary.
Beyond that, I am not opposed to talking with Jon, but you should bring up the fact that Tavar was worried about Drogo being able to see her. However I doubt it was a case of a blinking arrow reading "FORSAKEN! KILL NOW! -Horsegods". Even if Ithroen was captured and Drogo saw something odd, he may not have realised what he was sensing. And thats assuming he sensed anything, considering Ithroen retreated to somekind of healing coma (and his presence may have been suppressed).
We should try to check out whats going on with Drogo and see if Ithroen needs help as soon as we reasonably can. Given the news that Ithroen might not be able to survive as a prisoner by pretending to be "Lord Hightower", its become more urgent to find him.
Probably not at this point. Most are less usefull than the other loot we can find, so if we can convince Ithroen to take it so that we get some more ter'angreal, thats probably preferable.
Beyond that, I am not opposed to talking with Jon, but you should bring up the fact that Tavar was worried about Drogo being able to see her. However I doubt it was a case of a blinking arrow reading "FORSAKEN! KILL NOW! -Horsegods". Even if Ithroen was captured and Drogo saw something odd, he may not have realised what he was sensing. And thats assuming he sensed anything, considering Ithroen retreated to somekind of healing coma (and his presence may have been suppressed).
We should try to check out whats going on with Drogo and see if Ithroen needs help as soon as we reasonably can. Given the news that Ithroen might not be able to survive as a prisoner by pretending to be "Lord Hightower", its become more urgent to find him.
Probably not at this point. Most are less usefull than the other loot we can find, so if we can convince Ithroen to take it so that we get some more ter'angreal, thats probably preferable.
The don't have to be open. We can probably read minds enough to notice. We just use Reading to detect those who aren't aroused by her.
Compared to the rest of the loot? Probably not enough to get attached to it. We only get to pick one item, everything else has to be split by value.
Changed it up a bit.
Well, worst case is that he has something that's basically a Paladin's Sense Evil, and then started smiting.
In the worst case, Ithroen is already dead. We can do nothing about that. However, if its just sligtly less than worst case, he might be alive NOW, but die tomorrow. Which means we should not delay too much.
Oh, and when it comes to guards, don't bother with things like gays or whatever. Jons been tutoring the guards in F&V which blocks emotions such as lust. Just pick the two most competent in F&V.
That's true. I think we've already waited too long if that's the case though.
Good point. Seems like something Robb should practice more often.
Ok, here's what I've got.
[X] Handle Erina with caution. She may still regard Tavar as a goddess, in spite of being told otherwise. She may simply be trying to get on your good side to protect herself, but she's clearly using her charms to manipulate you. Keep her in her cell most of the time, but make sure she gets some chances to get out each day so she's not feeling trapped. Keep your mental defenses up when around her, as well as the cuendillar chain, and allow nobody to be in the same room with her without you or either Jon or Robb in Shardplate present.
-[X] Her door should be guarded always by two men who know F&V. Preferably ones who are already happily married.
-[X] Teach her about your own religion. Tell her of the Old Gods, the gods of earth, stone, and tree, and their laws, especially the one against slavery.
-[X] Tell her a bit about your prior experiences with demons. How you fought Narsuul and he possessed Red Ronyll, and without giving details about the Hightowers or that you have him bound how you fought off Ithroen's attempt to possess you, about reading the book that gave you details on the Forsaken and their names. "Tavar, the Dreamless" may sound innocuous enough on it's own, but when it's listed as the second among the likes of "Alûthair, The Speaker of Obscenities", "Labarta, The Diseased", or "Dath'riel, The Sin" it doesn't sound so good.
-[X] See if she knows cyvasse. If she doesn't, teach her and play a few games with her. Try to establish a rapport to get her to trust you. And do try not to utterly crush the poor girl if she's a novice at it. Maybe even let her win a game, if barely.
[X] Focus on Drogo. Find out what a Champion of the Gods is.
-[X] Possess a bird or two and do quick scouting runs on Drogo's manse to see if you can find if Ithroen has been taken prisoner. Train Possession to Level 3 so that you can do a longer runs. Use active Acceleration and Focus to speed up the training.
-[X] Continue to have some men discreetly search for Lord Hightower.
-[X] If you have spare time, decipher Illyrio's book.
-[X] Have some of the more studied men search bookstores to find books relating to religion and gods, and anything Occult. Have them bring back lists of titles so you can sort through and find what you want, and then have them purchase them.
-[X] Any other avenues of research Harlon would think of IC.
-[X] Interrogate Viserys. You doubt he knows anything, but there's always the off chance he does. Use the Aura and Control Sequences to try to get him to cooperate.
-[X] Assess whether to wake up Daenerys and talk to her at the end of the first day.
[X] Veracity
REASONING: I feel that we should take an approach of cautious optimism with Erina. She's been a slave most of her life, so she's been expected to obey authority and lying is probably something she was discouraged to do. Her seduction attempts are probably just defensive. Still, if she believes Tavar a goddess we have to be cautious. We can slowly remove the indoctrination and get her thinking for herself, while also simultaneously trying to get her to trust us.
As far as dealing with our current situation goes, Drogo is the biggest possible worry. We need to know more about him. Possession will allow us to scout his manse with birds. We can otherwise research in two other directions - find books, and talk to a priest who might know of such things in exchange for a donation. Hopefully we'll find something doing that.
Thoughts?
[X] Handle Erina with caution. She may still regard Tavar as a goddess, in spite of being told otherwise. She may simply be trying to get on your good side to protect herself, but she's clearly using her charms to manipulate you. Keep her in her cell most of the time, but make sure she gets some chances to get out each day so she's not feeling trapped. Keep your mental defenses up when around her, as well as the cuendillar chain, and allow nobody to be in the same room with her without you or either Jon or Robb in Shardplate present.
-[X] Her door should be guarded always by two men who know F&V. Preferably ones who are already happily married.
-[X] Teach her about your own religion. Tell her of the Old Gods, the gods of earth, stone, and tree, and their laws, especially the one against slavery.
-[X] Tell her a bit about your prior experiences with demons. How you fought Narsuul and he possessed Red Ronyll, and without giving details about the Hightowers or that you have him bound how you fought off Ithroen's attempt to possess you, about reading the book that gave you details on the Forsaken and their names. "Tavar, the Dreamless" may sound innocuous enough on it's own, but when it's listed as the second among the likes of "Alûthair, The Speaker of Obscenities", "Labarta, The Diseased", or "Dath'riel, The Sin" it doesn't sound so good.
-[X] See if she knows cyvasse. If she doesn't, teach her and play a few games with her. Try to establish a rapport to get her to trust you. And do try not to utterly crush the poor girl if she's a novice at it. Maybe even let her win a game, if barely.
[X] Focus on Drogo. Find out what a Champion of the Gods is.
-[X] Possess a bird or two and do quick scouting runs on Drogo's manse to see if you can find if Ithroen has been taken prisoner. Train Possession to Level 3 so that you can do a longer runs. Use active Acceleration and Focus to speed up the training.
-[X] Continue to have some men discreetly search for Lord Hightower.
-[X] If you have spare time, decipher Illyrio's book.
-[X] Have some of the more studied men search bookstores to find books relating to religion and gods, and anything Occult. Have them bring back lists of titles so you can sort through and find what you want, and then have them purchase them.
-[X] Any other avenues of research Harlon would think of IC.
-[X] Interrogate Viserys. You doubt he knows anything, but there's always the off chance he does. Use the Aura and Control Sequences to try to get him to cooperate.
-[X] Assess whether to wake up Daenerys and talk to her at the end of the first day.
[X] Veracity
REASONING: I feel that we should take an approach of cautious optimism with Erina. She's been a slave most of her life, so she's been expected to obey authority and lying is probably something she was discouraged to do. Her seduction attempts are probably just defensive. Still, if she believes Tavar a goddess we have to be cautious. We can slowly remove the indoctrination and get her thinking for herself, while also simultaneously trying to get her to trust us.
As far as dealing with our current situation goes, Drogo is the biggest possible worry. We need to know more about him. Possession will allow us to scout his manse with birds. We can otherwise research in two other directions - find books, and talk to a priest who might know of such things in exchange for a donation. Hopefully we'll find something doing that.
Thoughts?
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Telling her about Tavar is too dangerous. We can't risk information leakage. If we tell her, she either has to die or we have to keep her forever.
Instead tell her about the demon we actually defeated and drove off. She won't be educated enough in demonology to tell the difference.
Also, hell no to playing games with her. That's just an awful idea. We've so much we need to get done, and we can't trust being in her presence. If we need someone to seduce her, set Robb on the task when he's bonded the Shardplate. That protects against Mind magic and should inspire awe in her.
Naming the sword also remains a bad idea.
Instead tell her about the demon we actually defeated and drove off. She won't be educated enough in demonology to tell the difference.
Also, hell no to playing games with her. That's just an awful idea. We've so much we need to get done, and we can't trust being in her presence. If we need someone to seduce her, set Robb on the task when he's bonded the Shardplate. That protects against Mind magic and should inspire awe in her.
Naming the sword also remains a bad idea.
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Romv
A Memory of TREES
I'm really suspicious of Erina, though I'm not sure why. As for her getting out: she happily told us she's very good at the Control sequence and knows the Name of Song, on top of apparently being super hot. Unless we're there to guard her, she will get out if she wants to. Add to that that she's still somewhat convinced that Tavar is a goddess and deserves to be helped, and she's outright dangerous.
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Husky Fighter Novice
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- Catarina
I would have doubted her more had she asserted that she was unskilled. I agree with being wary to a certain extent, but I hardly think the girl deserves to be treated too harshly.
- Location
- Tel'aran'rhiod
Why bother with her so much when we had so many other things to deal with like Jorah and Drogo and whether or not our demon is alive? Teach her about our gods and chess when things aren't so hectic
Thats stupid. If she is harmless and simply trying to be seductive out of fear, then theres is no real risk in trying to have Harlon win her loyalty.
If she is not harmless and we have to fear her use of mind-sequences and the like, then having anyone BUT Harlon talk to her is foolish.
I see no case where having Robb, someone who has proven he can be manipulated by an attractive woman and who has no knowledge of magic or how to defend himself spend time with her.
Enjous idea of being carefull, but still trying to be convincing is the sane approach.
Huh? Didn't we just tell her about Tavar? Or do you mean Ithroen?
Narsuul or Ithroen?
For fuck's sake, man, we have our own Defensive sequences AND a chain that protects against Mind Magic. You're being paranoid to the extreme. Also, I'm not trying to seduce her, just trying to establish a rapport. Get her to like us more and like Tavar less. Nobody needs to seduce her.
Why? There is no reason that we can't give it away on the negotiation table just because we named it.
Because as a mage she's a potentially valuable resource and the sooner we can be sure she's on our side and not going to try to free Tavar the better. Also, we're going to have some periods of time where Harlon isn't doing anything directly.
I certainly plan on it, once we actually do talk to Daenerys.
I assume she takes second priority to the mission of finding out what a Champion is and trying to locate Ithroen. But Harlon will have moments when he can't do anything (out of MP, Drogo surrounded by too many men, whatever), and trying to recruit her could be usefull.
Apart from the fact that Harlon clearly can't be trusted around her.
Robb is significantly safer than we are because of the Shardplate, and because he's already involved with someone else, and is also much more likely to just treat her as a whore if she does seduce him than Harlon is.
A vast waste of our time. We've an enormous amount to do and very little time to do it in. Let's delegate this to people who are better at it than us and don't have anything else to do.
Robb has Charm 8. Harlon has Charm 5. It's very clear who should be doing this. It's not Harlon.
Evidence from the last update suggests not.
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