Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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- United States
Surprised that owning a ship of our own completely, isn't an ambition (even if it doesn't give chosen points) Leaving the planet is different than owning a ship afterall
Star Wars: The Chosen One (An Anakin Skywalker Quest)
- Thread starter Arthellion
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Again. Qui Gon doesn't think Anakin is the Chosen One. Palpie will have plenty of contact with the Jedi during his career as Senator and Chancellor. He'd damn well have picked up on any talk about the Chosen One.
Without the Jedi serving as a leak to Palpatine we are simply one among many initiates. Stronger then most, yes. But that's not that special.
Palpatine is not omniscient. He isn't omnipotent. He's as fallible as anyone else.
We just need to be careful. As long as we simply remain a gifted student we'll just be that. A gifted student. Once we become Jedi Knight or decide to leave the order before then? We'll be strong enough to counter the level of attention that'll bring.
Remember, plenty of Jedi leave the order. Its just that Jedi *Masters* leaving is a rare and very significant thing.
As for the Sith holocron? Just leave it behind on Tatooine. We can come get it when we think we are ready. Also, the more ambitions we complete the stronger we'll get.
Without the Jedi serving as a leak to Palpatine we are simply one among many initiates. Stronger then most, yes. But that's not that special.
Palpatine is not omniscient. He isn't omnipotent. He's as fallible as anyone else.
We just need to be careful. As long as we simply remain a gifted student we'll just be that. A gifted student. Once we become Jedi Knight or decide to leave the order before then? We'll be strong enough to counter the level of attention that'll bring.
Remember, plenty of Jedi leave the order. Its just that Jedi *Masters* leaving is a rare and very significant thing.
As for the Sith holocron? Just leave it behind on Tatooine. We can come get it when we think we are ready. Also, the more ambitions we complete the stronger we'll get.
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- USA
Not until we complete the knight ambition! Afterwards we can be on an extended sabbatical.
Hey I am pushing for starting as a Jedi Knight as it is the most well rounded force education we can get to start with, after some time though I would be more then happy to take a tour of the various know force sects for individualized training. Honestly if we do this right we should be able to get knighted before the clone wars, you know on account of not having our master be someone who just got promoted to being a Jedi Knight (though talk about a quick rise from Padawan to Knight to Master by Obi-Wan).
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thank you for having reason in your mind
That's a good point.
If we get strong, wise, and respected enough by the Jedi council through our efforts and choices we can damn well become a knight before the Clone Wars, and then go on our own adventures such as going back to master Zan and finishing our training with Teros Kari.
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- Mists of Albion
Meanwhile if we don't go to the Temple now we never gain access to it again. So yeah. Logically you choose the route that lets you reap all the benefits.
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yep thats what people have been saying it just seems the stubborn ones who hate the jedi dont seem to care
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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We have 2 holocrons already to learn from.
You can make lightsabres by hand, which our holocron probably teaches considering that, iirc, it's a required/normal ability for Jedi to have.
We can use our meta-knowledge of where Holocrons are to find them. Or buy them with CP. Or trust in the Force.
All our Jedi allies will die. All the time we can spend learning in the Jedi temple could also be spent grinding the force skills we already have.
Sure, we'll never gain access to the Coruscant Temple again.
Hmmm....So..the balance quest line. Anyone want to take a stab at this and see if we can get more perks/chosen points by discussing it?
The seed is obviously a reference to our birth and imminent death.
The Bantha is also a reference to our birth and imminent death, but also a commentary on the stubborn-yet-sheeplike nature of SV.
The Father Mother Daughter Son etc. is the disappointment of my family in how I waste my time, and also a reference to the Ones & possibly a reference to Us + Padme + Leia + Luke and how each pair would provoke war, thus meaning that we should be celibate
The Knife is a reference to how friends are bad, so I should continue being a weeb. But also that people will inevitably try to betray you and you should prepare for it, and thus we need to have good unarmed skills so we can always be ready. I.e., we need to study Teras.
The poison.... hmm... some people say that love is a poison. Others say that knowledge is. Either way, another point for celibate hermitage.
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@Arthellion if the people who didnt put the regular qui gon vote with write in forget or dont see the notice are you gonna count them together except mine cause i did do that
Emerald Oracle
Chaos, yet harmony. Death, yet the Force
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- The Else
Have another bit of Analysis because why not:
On the Ones
The Ones are a family of Force Users who are bound to the planet of Mortis, an artificially constructed world located in Wild Space. Their only appearance in the current canon was during the Mortis arc of The Clone Wars, so I will instead focus on their extended background that was explored in Legends. Most of what follows is drawn from Legends sources as a result.
There are four members of this family, The Father, the Daughter, the Son, and the Mother. The last one is also known as The Servant, The Bringer of Chaos, the Beloved Queen of the Stars, and most well known by the name Abeloth. I'll come back to her.
The Father, the Daughter, and the Son are the living manifestations of different aspects of the Force. The Father is the Force as Balance, the Daughter is the avatar of the Light, and the Son is an avatar of the Dark Side. They are members of an ancient species known as the Celestials, that arose more than forty thousand years before the contemporary time of the Star Wars Saga. The rest of their species has long since left the Galaxy, but the Ones remain because of their connection to the Force.
The Father comes by his power naturally, through study and meditation. The Son and the Daughter, on the other hand, both gained their power artificially by drinking from the Font of Power or bathing in the Pool of Knowledge respectively. They gained more than they could handle, and the Father was forced to bind them all to Mortis to prevent them from entering into a feedback loop with the Force within the Galaxy proper and causing destruction and chaos on an interstellar scale.
All three of these entities are powerful, ridiculously so, able to shapeshift and possessed of the sort of strange and varied abilities you'd expect living avatars of the Force itself to have.
Now, we come to the final member of this little family, the Mother, or Abeloth. Originally, she was a mere servant of this family, not the biological mother of the Son or Daughter. Over time, she became as a mother to the family however, and earned that title. Sadly, she was still mortal in a way that the rest of the family was not. After the Son and the Daughter's grasped after power they were not ready for, she followed suit, drinking from the Font and bathing in the Pool.
As a result, Abeloth became a horrible eldritch entity of such prodigious power, greater even than the Ones, that they could not overcome her entirely. They could not kill or otherwise permanently defeat her, only seal her away. Her power was so great, that the astronomical anomaly known as the Maw was crated to bind her. For those who don't know, the Maw is a stable cluster of black holes located near Kessel.
Balancing the Force within the quest will likely require dealing with this family of crazies, bringing long needed balance to the Son and Daughter and finally bringing an end to the Mother. Probably, anyway.
On the Ones
The Ones are a family of Force Users who are bound to the planet of Mortis, an artificially constructed world located in Wild Space. Their only appearance in the current canon was during the Mortis arc of The Clone Wars, so I will instead focus on their extended background that was explored in Legends. Most of what follows is drawn from Legends sources as a result.
There are four members of this family, The Father, the Daughter, the Son, and the Mother. The last one is also known as The Servant, The Bringer of Chaos, the Beloved Queen of the Stars, and most well known by the name Abeloth. I'll come back to her.
The Father, the Daughter, and the Son are the living manifestations of different aspects of the Force. The Father is the Force as Balance, the Daughter is the avatar of the Light, and the Son is an avatar of the Dark Side. They are members of an ancient species known as the Celestials, that arose more than forty thousand years before the contemporary time of the Star Wars Saga. The rest of their species has long since left the Galaxy, but the Ones remain because of their connection to the Force.
The Father comes by his power naturally, through study and meditation. The Son and the Daughter, on the other hand, both gained their power artificially by drinking from the Font of Power or bathing in the Pool of Knowledge respectively. They gained more than they could handle, and the Father was forced to bind them all to Mortis to prevent them from entering into a feedback loop with the Force within the Galaxy proper and causing destruction and chaos on an interstellar scale.
All three of these entities are powerful, ridiculously so, able to shapeshift and possessed of the sort of strange and varied abilities you'd expect living avatars of the Force itself to have.
Now, we come to the final member of this little family, the Mother, or Abeloth. Originally, she was a mere servant of this family, not the biological mother of the Son or Daughter. Over time, she became as a mother to the family however, and earned that title. Sadly, she was still mortal in a way that the rest of the family was not. After the Son and the Daughter's grasped after power they were not ready for, she followed suit, drinking from the Font and bathing in the Pool.
As a result, Abeloth became a horrible eldritch entity of such prodigious power, greater even than the Ones, that they could not overcome her entirely. They could not kill or otherwise permanently defeat her, only seal her away. Her power was so great, that the astronomical anomaly known as the Maw was crated to bind her. For those who don't know, the Maw is a stable cluster of black holes located near Kessel.
Balancing the Force within the quest will likely require dealing with this family of crazies, bringing long needed balance to the Son and Daughter and finally bringing an end to the Mother. Probably, anyway.
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- New York
I agree, but we can go on adventures elsewhere, without having the Emperor/Empire after us. There are a lot of tombs/worlds to explore for lost knowledge. With the Empire it will be constantly about the Empire. There won't be room for anything else. Oh, you want to go to Korriban, well the Emperor has a blockade on that planet and checks IDs of anyone visiting.
Want to join a mercenary group and go fight, oops, we are a known Jedi and they turn us in. The entire quest becomes about the Empire. We can always go do that, but why not look into other things while we have the chance? Like I said, it is a lot of drama we can avoid. It is also like going straight to the end boss before we are ready. We can go any time, so let us wait until it is on our terms.
Well, it takes ~10 years to master a skill with dedicated training. With 3 precisely chosen skills we would have a chance at assassinating him.
A Sith Lord does not die to a heart attack or a random incident. He said don't use the character sheet, which I am not. I am using knowledge of how powerful a Sith Lord will be if he has done the same things as Palpatine. You seem content to bury your head in the sand and go LALALA, it just won't happen.
Once we are a Knight or a Master of the Martial Art, we are off on our own. I would rather try to control how exposed we are.
We have less time than in cannon, since we won't be a Padawan right off. In addition if we are knighted due to the Clone Wars then we will be serving as a general and can't go running off. It is a catch 22. Also if we want to get knighted early that means becoming an emotionless, rule obeying robot, since the Council decides when people take their trials and they prefer that type of Jedi. So all those 'fun' quests and adventures would have to be turned down to reach Knighthood early.
That means if we become a Knight early, we will have bought into the Jedi dogma. Even then there is very little time to contact other groups. People talk about how Palpatine might suddenly die? Well the Vong might suddenly invade or another Sith might move up their plans ahead of schedule. I will go off how the story went originally and the information provided unless there is something to the contrary since the dice/randomness cuts both ways.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
And at the Temple we can have hundreds of masters and holocrons to learn from potentially and when we leave those holocrons are still there and can be found if we want.
Meanwhile for lightsabers we need the crystal, the training, the blueprints and several other things. It's not as easy as you make out and for someone so concerned with not wasting time, hunting for the right holocrons and the materials for a new Lightsabre to build via trial and error on our own with no support seems like a massive waste of time you ahoidlnt be interested in.
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- USA
if y'all want to know whats in the holocrons read the sidestory posts.
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- New York
Time, time, time. It takes 5-12 years to master a skill with dedicated focus according to the QM. So it doesn't matter if we have access to everything. We can only learn so much in the time we have. We can make a lightsaber if we really want one the Sith way, but once the Jedi purges start a lightsaber will give us away really quickly.
We need time to improve and do level appropriate quests/missions. Not go off against Palpatine off cocked.
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- Mists of Albion
So you're blatantly ignoring Anakins major midichlorian boosts affect on his skills, the fact he's a progidy and the fact he'll also have fate points and xp and other such things to speed that along greatly?
Okay cool.
I'm not content to bury my head in the sand, I'm content to not screw with our chances of getting strong enough to face the threat we can't run from forever by going to the place that gives us the best chances for that. Meanwhile you seem to ignore everything other then you're blatant paranoia and fear.
And we can't control how exposed we are if we take your version of Palpatine into account. In your version of events where Palpatine is something we should run away from for 30+ years we're screwed because unless we cripple ourselves by hiding in a home he'll find us and kill us.
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- California
Perhaps I didn't clarify this, I acknowledge that leaving he order is completely possible and a reasonable choice, one I support in fact if we go the Jedi route. What I don't like are the restrictions on forcing us into its path. The Jedi option seems monotonous when compared to to options provided by the Palawa. We would be forced into lightsaber skill training with Nimen and nothin else until mastery. All while building social connections and altering the plot in minor ways. That is not to say I will ignore the near identical focus on learning space monk martial. I just happen to think that learning something new and interesting is fun. Pair that being able to interact with character none of us even no about and we have ourselves singing unique.
I can understand how you got that from my argument, it was not well conceived when it came to addressing the dice portion. Though I am still adamant that going with the Jedi now is a risk should not take. As it's been said before, we could leave the order later, but it my belief that in doing so we will be locked into a series of quests and be ambitions that we have to follow because it is concnvinent.
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hes not in real opposition until the clone wars which is gonna happen either way and only gonna kill us after the clone wars either way we face him and one way gives us more anti sith lore and allies
[x] [Personality] Frustrated: I need to be better!
[x] [Story] Go with Qui-Gon and join the Jedi.
[x] [Story] Go with Qui-Gon and join the Jedi.
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- Mists of Albion
I want to get allies, better and more diverse training and I want to not hurt our ability to wield a Lightsabre. I don't want to go against Palpatine half cocked, I want to come at him with several dozen other strong Jedi friends of ours with the best training in the Lightsabre style we can get as well as trading from the Followers.
Overall that QM quite referred to other people. Anakin is not other people, due to xp accumulation, being made of midichlorians and points etc.
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- Middle of Nowhere
You're basing this off of canon knowledge, which will probably not happen as you think it will. But lets say it did, we're stuck on Bunduki for 10years perfecting our Katas. We're not going to have time for fun quests.
The Jedi are not emotionless, rule obeying robots. Not even the canon Coruscanti Jedi were that.
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- Mists of Albion
The Palawa path is running off and hiding in a hole away from the main plot for several years, inefficienctly using holocrons and damaging our ability to use a Lightsabre properly.
This quest as is is new and interesting. I don't know of any other Anakin quests in this format, nor at all, nor do I know of a quest that goes into the nitty gritty of a Jedi's youth and life. We don't have to go full edgelord and make what's already different even more different for differents sake because different is apparently cool just for being different.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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Artificially/self-bound. The Father was worried his children would destroy the world in their struggles, so he brought them out of temporal space.
Why would you think I'm concerned with not wasting time?
I'm concerned with a) not being on the records of the Jedi Temple, b) learning Teras & Dark Sith stuff from Master Zan, c) having a deep rather than broad martial education because a broad force ability base can be bought w/ CP.
More masters and more holocrons are worth less than good masters and good holocrons.
Our current holocrons are decent enough; Master Zan is ancient and an attractive mix of knowledgeable and ruthless, and is a trained Jedi in addition to being a Palawan.
Our red holocron gives us a fairly deep knowledge of sith history, culture, and techniques, including "knowledge that can be used later to retrieve other holocrons" per the author note.
Our blue holocron gives us a broad-ish base of skills, including lightsabre techniques, though apparently some of them are damaged. (the formatting made it unclear which ones were)
To be fair, this isn't actually bad. Niiman helps us learn other lightsabre skills and we could probably still study Teras.
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??? lol what?
I'm not arguing for going to Palawa out of fear of Palpatine. I think it's the best decision.
People are overestimating the difference in skill we'll have after training with the Jedi versus the Followers of Palawa. We'll have different skills, but we won't be underpowered if we aren't a Jedi. The GM doesn't seem like the type to deliberately screw us over like that.
We already have two holocrons, a Sith and a Jedi one. I would suggest studying both, and we can't do that at the Jedi Temple. As mentioned before, Arden has talent in the Force so she can help train us.
Even if we go searching for more holocrons, Anakin will grow in that journey. We probably would run into more people and have more contacts than if we just stayed in the Temple or on Coruscant. Who knows what else we'll learn along the way?
Personally, I don't care about lightsaber skills too much. It's not the only form of combat in the galaxy. I'm just saying, we're not entirely cut off from lightsaber skills if we don't go with the Jedi.
The Force is more powerful than a lightsaber.
Anakin doesn't have to be considered the Chosen One, just destined by the Force for greater things. Also, the training is shorter so Anakin will be free to explore earlier than if we went to the Jedi.
Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but didn't Obi-Wan, Mace, and Yoda have a conversation about Anakin being the Chosen One at some point? I think he was considered the Chosen One in canon.
If we leave the Sith holocron behind it might get stolen by Maul or otherwise lost.
People are overestimating the difference in skill we'll have after training with the Jedi versus the Followers of Palawa. We'll have different skills, but we won't be underpowered if we aren't a Jedi. The GM doesn't seem like the type to deliberately screw us over like that.
We already have two holocrons, a Sith and a Jedi one. I would suggest studying both, and we can't do that at the Jedi Temple. As mentioned before, Arden has talent in the Force so she can help train us.
Even if we go searching for more holocrons, Anakin will grow in that journey. We probably would run into more people and have more contacts than if we just stayed in the Temple or on Coruscant. Who knows what else we'll learn along the way?
Personally, I don't care about lightsaber skills too much. It's not the only form of combat in the galaxy. I'm just saying, we're not entirely cut off from lightsaber skills if we don't go with the Jedi.
The Force is more powerful than a lightsaber.
Anakin doesn't have to be considered the Chosen One, just destined by the Force for greater things. Also, the training is shorter so Anakin will be free to explore earlier than if we went to the Jedi.
Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but didn't Obi-Wan, Mace, and Yoda have a conversation about Anakin being the Chosen One at some point? I think he was considered the Chosen One in canon.
If we leave the Sith holocron behind it might get stolen by Maul or otherwise lost.
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- California
If we want allies why not go with the order of monks trained to fight Jedi. Also Space monk martial arts final level is the equivalent of darth mauls saber. 2d12 so we don't even need to worry about a light saber yet. Also the holocron might even teach us Niman so picking up later light saber forms wouldn't be that hard.
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