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Star Wars EU Retrospect

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Ser_Serendipity said:
I'm well aware. A black mark on an otherwise excellent book.
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To be fair, it was somewhat better than the whole "Greatest Tactical Genius Ever" who was routinely incompetent and at least gave a reason for why she was so at odds with her supposed history and what we actually see.

You know, other than KJA being a shit writer in the first place.

I mean, it was either that or the old "she slept with Tarkin to Admiral rank" and supposing those "tactical exercises" were faked or something.
 
Ser_Serendipity said:
I'm well aware. A black mark on an otherwise excellent book.
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I haven't actually read that. Or, for that matter, Tarkin. But I've heard it as reasoning for Daala's actions.

Which is a shame, really, because I find that SW lacks good female antagonists, and Daala and Ysanne Isard are really the only prominent ones. (Other then them . . . Jenna Zan Arbor from the YA books? Tavira from I, Jedi, and Darth Talon are the only ones that come to mind. )
 
comradepitrovsky said:
I haven't actually read that. Or, for that matter, Tarkin. But I've heard it as reasoning for Daala's actions.

Which is a shame, really, because I find that SW lacks good female antagonists, and Daala and Ysanne Isard are really the only prominent ones. (Other then them . . . Jenna Zan Arbor from the YA books? Tavira from I, Jedi, and Darth Talon are the only ones that come to mind. )
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Lumiya is a huge one. Darth Zannah.

In video games, Darth Traya.

There's some others, but yea, underrepresented.



*Edit* Remembering some more!

Darth Maladi's also in Legacy. Asajj Ventress and Aurra Sing. Lomi Plo, who was in the whole Swarm War thing.

Isard and Daala are rare in being the command type rather than force users.
 
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Space Jawa said:
My recollection is that, yeah, Luke did try to put a council together before the war, but it was initially rejected by the NR Leadership (I recall Borsk was explicitly opposed to it), and that later in the war he was able to get approval, but it was a version that was half Jedi, half non-Jedi, including the NR Chief of State. Which I believe was a move made in order to help keep the Jedi in check and balanced or to provide an additional perspective on things or something like that.
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The plot of Vector Prime- that is to say the bit establishing life before the war- Luke is debating putting the Council back together. He's actually feeling out opinions on the NR in the book- not because he needed their approval, but more as a diplomatic gesture to keep them involved, and to keep future problem from arising.

The actual establishment of the Council is in Destiny's Way, if I recall right- some thirteen books later, after the fall of Coruscant, as part of the general reorganization of everything.
Q99 said:
Force forbid we have a non-evil reasonably competent leadership.
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Hey, the Rebels did good. Mostly. And the initial GA wasn't bad from my memories, but then the Swarm War happened and... well, lets just say it was nice while it lasted.
RogueIce said:
You know, other than KJA being a shit writer in the first place.
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I feel obligated to defend him for the Young Jedi Knights series as well as Tales of the Jedi- which, yeah, it was crazy times, but it had a solid narrative that holds together well.

It's more accurate to say he's an inconsistent writer. But even at his worse he never really dropped below slightly worse then average. He certainly was nowhere near the bottom tier of authors. I'd take him doing more books over Drew Karpyshyn any time.
comradepitrovsky said:
Which is a shame, really, because I find that SW lacks good female antagonists, and Daala and Ysanne Isard are really the only prominent ones. (Other then them . . . Jenna Zan Arbor from the YA books? Tavira from I, Jedi, and Darth Talon are the only ones that come to mind. )
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Governor Arihnda Pryce from the newest season of Rebels is shaping up nicely so far, in addition to the others mentioned.
 
Kylar said:
Hey, the Rebels did good. Mostly. And the initial GA wasn't bad from my memories, but then the Swarm War happened and... well, lets just say it was nice while it lasted.
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One does wonder how they got from Daala to Stazi- somehow they recovered.

One also wonders how neither Leia nor Lando were ever made Chancellor.

I feel obligated to defend him for the Young Jedi Knights series as well as Tales of the Jedi- which, yeah, it was crazy times, but it had a solid narrative that holds together well.
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His wife co-wrote YJA- I think she's the real talent in the family! At least, when it comes to character development stuff.

It's more accurate to say he's an inconsistent writer. But even at his worse he never really dropped below slightly worse then average. He certainly was nowhere near the bottom tier of authors. I'd take him doing more books over Drew Karpyshyn any time.
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KJA did have a problem with over-the-top force powers and the force-as-magic, as well as superweapon-of-the-week, sometimes *combined* into force-as-superweapon-of-the-week, some of the early major flaws in the EU, so I feel he deserve his flack, but yea, he did have some gems in there.
 
UbeOne said:
Didn't Leia become Chief of State at some point?
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*Checks*

Apparently she was for a fair while, alternating with Mon Mothma and Ponc Gavrisom, but stopped when the Bantam era ended and Del Ray's plot arcs began.

I guess she just didn't get to do a lot on-page in the role since I'm searching my head for novels where her being chief of state played a big role and coming up blank.
 
Q99 said:
*Checks*

Apparently she was for a fair while, alternating with Mon Mothma and Ponc Gavrisom, but stopped when the Bantam era ended and Del Ray's plot arcs began.

I guess she just didn't get to do a lot on-page in the role since I'm searching my head for novels where her being chief of state played a big role and coming up blank.
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Couple of the other people here mentioned it, but... the authors basically ignored the fact she was the head of the Republic and kept writing her as the intrepid ambassador type- while still being Chief of State. About the only books I can think of that treated her as a CoS was the Young Jedi books- where she had a pretty minor role.
 
Kylar said:
Couple of the other people here mentioned it, but... the authors basically ignored the fact she was the head of the Republic and kept writing her as the intrepid ambassador type- while still being Chief of State. About the only books I can think of that treated her as a CoS was the Young Jedi books- where she had a pretty minor role.
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Ah, that'd explain it.

And still, there's no reason not to go back to her! "Sure, I'm older, but I have a history of beating the Empire. And my opponent is literally Daala."
 
Q99 said:
Ah, that'd explain it.

And still, there's no reason not to go back to her! "Sure, I'm older, but I have a history of beating the Empire. And my opponent is literally Daala."
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Yes, but that would require Traviss not be anywhere near that whole clusterfuck. And making Daala a mouthpiece for her views on the Jedi- which given this is Traviss we are talking about means she is objectively correct.

And also a princess. I'm pretty sure it was Traviss that did that.
 
Space Jawa said:
Wait, Daala was also a princess somehow?
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Yes.

This is possibly my favorite 'EU, wtf?' tidbit- its just amazingly nonsensical. But basically, Traviss retconned Daala's homeworld to Irmenu, her own little pet planet of hard sailing men of war. It might actually make a decent fantasy setting, but is nonsensical as hell for Star Wars, to the point it's write up in The Essential Guide to Warfare got cut for not being Star Wars enough. Long story short, its feudal, Daala was royalty, rival families killed her family, but someone in said family took pity on her and shipped her off world to a Nazi orphanage run by nuns.

I swear I am not making this up.

I'm honestly not sure if Traviss made this up or Jason Fry did- all the cites point to The Essential Guide to Warfare, in which case I seriously wonder if Jason Fry was trolling. That said, I think about the only book it had any relevance for was Revelation, where Traviss retconned her to being from the world for... references to her pet world? That seems to be about it. I mean, the princess thing works for Traviss's more awesome then thou thing, which is why I'm pretty sure it was her, but confirming that would require rereading Revelation and... no. Just no.
 
Kylar said:
I feel obligated to defend him for the Young Jedi Knights series as well as Tales of the Jedi- which, yeah, it was crazy times, but it had a solid narrative that holds together well.
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There's just so much to love about the Young Jedi Knights. :D The kids were the main characters, but not at the expense of the older generation. Luke was still badass. Han, Chewie, Leia, Lando had great moments. I legit regret there was never a Tenel Ka action figure. :(

Q99 said:
His wife co-wrote YJA- I think she's the real talent in the family! At least, when it comes to character development stuff.
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I like them both. ;) Hell, I'm friends with both of them on Facebook. Hell, KJA wishes me happy birthday every year! :D Do you have any idea how cool that is for me?!:D

Kylar said:
Yes.

This is possibly my favorite 'EU, wtf?' tidbit- its just amazingly nonsensical. But basically, Traviss retconned Daala's homeworld to Irmenu, her own little pet planet of hard sailing men of war. It might actually make a decent fantasy setting, but is nonsensical as hell for Star Wars, to the point it's write up in The Essential Guide to Warfare got cut for not being Star Wars enough. Long story short, its feudal, Daala was royalty, rival families killed her family, but someone in said family took pity on her and shipped her off world to a Nazi orphanage run by nuns.

I swear I am not making this up.

I'm honestly not sure if Traviss made this up or Jason Fry did- all the cites point to The Essential Guide to Warfare, in which case I seriously wonder if Jason Fry was trolling. That said, I think about the only book it had any relevance for was Revelation, where Traviss retconned her to being from the world for... references to her pet world? That seems to be about it. I mean, the princess thing works for Traviss's more awesome then thou thing, which is why I'm pretty sure it was her, but confirming that would require rereading Revelation and... no. Just no.
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...

Okay, on the one hands, that's insane as fuck for Star Wars.

On the other... I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but... now I kinda wish the old EU wasn't decanonized. Because Natasi Daala as a genuine princess?

We need her in the Disney Princess line. We need her to get her own Disney Princess movie, complete with 'I want' song and kooky anthropomorphic sidekicks. We need this. We need this now. :D
 
RK_Striker_JK_5 said:
Okay, on the one hands, that's insane as fuck for Star Wars.

On the other... I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but... now I kinda wish the old EU wasn't decanonized. Because Natasi Daala as a genuine princess?

We need her in the Disney Princess line. We need her to get her own Disney Princess movie, complete with 'I want' song and kooky anthropomorphic sidekicks. We need this. We need this now. :D
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Leia is a better princess than Daala. :V
 
RK_Striker_JK_5 said:
There's just so much to love about the Young Jedi Knights. :D The kids were the main characters, but not at the expense of the older generation. Luke was still badass. Han, Chewie, Leia, Lando had great moments. I legit regret there was never a Tenel Ka action figure. :(


I like them both. ;) Hell, I'm friends with both of them on Facebook. Hell, KJA wishes me happy birthday every year! :D Do you have any idea how cool that is for me?!:D



...

Okay, on the one hands, that's insane as fuck for Star Wars.

On the other... I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but... now I kinda wish the old EU wasn't decanonized. Because Natasi Daala as a genuine princess?

We need her in the Disney Princess line. We need her to get her own Disney Princess movie, complete with 'I want' song and kooky anthropomorphic sidekicks. We need this. We need this now. :D
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Because she's worth it.~
 
Kylar said:
Yes.

This is possibly my favorite 'EU, wtf?' tidbit- its just amazingly nonsensical. But basically, Traviss retconned Daala's homeworld to Irmenu, her own little pet planet of hard sailing men of war. It might actually make a decent fantasy setting, but is nonsensical as hell for Star Wars, to the point it's write up in The Essential Guide to Warfare got cut for not being Star Wars enough. Long story short, its feudal, Daala was royalty, rival families killed her family, but someone in said family took pity on her and shipped her off world to a Nazi orphanage run by nuns.

I swear I am not making this up.

I'm honestly not sure if Traviss made this up or Jason Fry did- all the cites point to The Essential Guide to Warfare, in which case I seriously wonder if Jason Fry was trolling. That said, I think about the only book it had any relevance for was Revelation, where Traviss retconned her to being from the world for... references to her pet world? That seems to be about it. I mean, the princess thing works for Traviss's more awesome then thou thing, which is why I'm pretty sure it was her, but confirming that would require rereading Revelation and... no. Just no.
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That's... not very SW, but it's actually pretty 40k.
 
I should not be thinking of Princess Sophia summoning Princess Daala through the Amulet of Avalor and asking if her Amulet's broken.

I should not be thinking of Ariel wanting her father to sink whatever boat Daala was on back on her home planet.

I should not be thinking of Elsa begging Anna to look the other way when she deep-freezes the psycho.

I should not be thinking of Jasmine trying to get Genie back to full-power to turn her into a potted plant.

I should not be thinking of Mulan and Merida doing a coin toss to see who kills her.

I should not be thinking of Snow White sending the animals of the Forest out to attack and rip her apart.

I should not be thinking these things, yet I am.
 
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