Star Wars: A Padawans Tale: Episode II: A New Galaxy (A CK2/Adventure Quest)

Whatever semblence of a just cause the Separatists, now the Empire, may have had, it is most definitely GONE now.
The issue is, the nature of the war has changed with Palps taking the reign of the CIS, making things far more complicated. Especially as ironically the CIS is facing a sizable amount of inner resistance even in the outer rim which is supposed to be where the CIS core supporters are.
Has it really changed though? All he's currently done is win the loyalty of the separatist council and parliament by promising they'll win. What do they want? To officially secede from the republic. I think de-escalation is key to making that happen without destroying the galaxy, so this is where we disagree.
 
Has it really changed though? All he's currently done is win the loyalty of the separatist council and parliament by promising they'll win. What do they want? To officially secede from the republic. I think de-escalation is key to making that happen without destroying the galaxy, so this is where we disagree.
We are dealing with friggin' PALPATINE HERE!!!

Do you REALLY think he is interested one bit in de-escalation or Peace? Do you REALLY think the Separatist Council has any real say in how things are going anymore?! The second they step outta line, like by asking for Peace, Palps is gonna denounce them as Traitors, execute them all and carry on with his War until the Republic is destroyed, all Jedi are dead and he rules the Galaxy.

There is no 'de-escalating' this Conflict anymore. Palpatine is now officially and fully in charge on the other side and he doesn't WANT this War to end in any other way then his total Victory and Conquest of the Galaxy.

Conceding to the Separatists demands now means handing a genocidal Maniac with ambitions of Galactic Conquest his Victory on a Silver Platter.
 
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Has it really changed though? All he's currently done is win the loyalty of the separatist council and parliament by promising they'll win. What do they want? To officially secede from the republic. I think de-escalation is key to making that happen without destroying the galaxy, so this is where we disagree.
The Outer Rim:D100 => 77

Many words in the outer rim fell in the month before the Separatists were stopped.

But many more remained fighting, tying down millions of droids in garrisons to stop the riots.

The rebel groups.

And of course, just the average citizens that did not want this war on their doorstep.

The Separatist's occupation only made their hatred for many of the organized governments of the Galaxy grow stronger.

Reward: The outer rim is rioting and civil disobeying many of their new masters
...So, looks like Palps is back in control, they got good army leadership and the 'important people' are happy...
And no-one else is, with even the outer rim facing very respectable amounts of unrest and rebels.
As I said. It looks very much like the CIS is being held together by the megacorporation's and sheer force at the moment...
And with that situation, I ESPECIALLY doubt palps wouldn't want to risk not becoming a galactic uberpower after the war.
 
As I said. It looks very much like the CIS is being held together by the megacorporation's and sheer force at the moment...
And with that situation, I ESPECIALLY doubt palps wouldn't want to risk not becoming a galactic uberpower after the war.
To be honest, I would not be surprised if most of the Separatists Civilian Government that we saw in that one TCW-Episode has already been purged, with only the Yes-Men firmly under the sway of Palps and his Megacorp-Goons remaining.

This is not a fucking aggressive War by the Republic to 'keep unruly Systems in line', like @Mostlyblue is trying to frame it. This is a War orchestrated by a genocidal Dictator to establish himself as the sole Ruler of the Galaxy.
And if you think he'll treat the Separatist Systems better then the Republic did once he had achieved his goals...well, the Canon Empire is a pretty good rebuttal to that.
And by that I mean most of them got genocided or openly oppressed once they were no longer useful.
 
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Do you REALLY think he is interested one bit in de-escalation or Peace?
Doesn't matter what he's interested, he'd be basically going against what they wanted from the start, which was to secede from the republic. We'd be de-legitimizing him and lowering his support rate.

As I said. It looks very much like the CIS is being held together by the megacorporation's and sheer force at the moment...
The Grand Army of the Republic:D100 => 30

The Army of Clones was almost caught completely off guard at the massive blitzkrieg that occurred when the Separatists broke through the defensive corridors that were the battle lines.

The Clone Army was pushed to the Brink.
Chancellor Organa:D100 => 65

It also saved his career, barely throwing off votes of no confidence.
The Senate:D100 => 24

Reward: The Senate tried to impeach Organa.
Unrest Roll:D100 => 55

The Republic citizenry has many words to say.

There was so much wrong with this Galaxy and after the numerous defeats in the Outer and Mid rim.

They are growing tired of this war.

They want it to end.

Here's what currently happening, the republic is being demolished by the CIS push, Bail Organa barely survived a vote of no confidence, the citizens are tired of war. Continuing with war will take probably take down Chancellor Bail Organa.

The war is only going to end in annihilation for one side like the Father said, negotiating for peace and finding alternate ways of dealing with Palpatine rather than total war (which the republic is losing in) should be the goal.
This is not a fucking aggressive War by the Republic to 'keep unruly Systems in line', like @Mostlyblue is trying to frame it.
The other side is called the "Separatists", we know their goal, which is to secede from the Republic. Pretending like I'm framing it into something it's not is ignoring what it is. The republic decided that these worlds weren't allowed to have their own autonomy, and wanted to do so by force. The war is a offensive war, and it's not just.
But the Jedi themselves are eager to strike back at the Separatists after they lost so many.
The Jedi order is gradually becoming corrupted by the war.

Clearly you guys won't convince me, and I'm not going to convince you, let's just agree to disagree, happy weekend. 😁
 
Here's what currently happening, the republic is being demolished by the CIS push, Bail Organa barely survived a vote of no confidence, the citizens are tired of war. Continuing with war will take probably take down Chancellor Bail Organa.

The war is only going to end in annihilation for one side like the Father said, negotiating for peace and finding alternate ways of dealing with Palpatine rather than total war (which the republic is losing in) should be the goal.
And that is EXACTLY WHY Palps would gladly try and press to continue the war. Because he almost certainly sees that. And also, there is one fundamental problem.
[]The Election of the Jedi (Support the War): The Jedi will do something that has never been done before in its long history. Hold an election on what they should do next, in support of the Republic… or staying out of the War. Cost 0 Credits Roll needed: 40% Reward: You support the War, and try to bring people to stop Palpatine and his war machine.

[]The Election of the Jedi (Not Supporting the War): The Jedi will do something that has never been done before in its long history. Hold an election on what they should do next, in support of the Republic… or staying out of the War. Cost 0 Credits Roll needed: 40% Reward: You are tired of fighting. Let the Galaxy fight. You will not.
The vote ISN'T ABOUT ENDING THE WAR!
It is specifically whenever or not the Jedi will continue supporting the republic in it. Which, well...
 
Jedi shoud side with the rebublic because we know for a fact that the seperatits leadership ie Palps is a fucking Sith that orchestrated this war we are duty bound to fight any and all Sith. Descalation brings nothing not with Palpetin at the helm and with a ofensive by the seperatis in full swing they wont back down, we are in a total war scenario people. I also disagree they had the right to suced from the galctic government.
 
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The vote ISN'T ABOUT ENDING THE WAR!
It is specifically whenever or not the Jedi will continue supporting the republic in it. Which, well...
Yup, and I'm against them rejoining the war. The jedi are not soldiers, and shouldn't be soldiers, scaling back into a peacekeeping role and independence as a organization from the republic is what I want and will be voting for whenever I can. Cheers bro.
 
The other side is called the "Separatists", we know their goal, which is to secede from the Republic. Pretending like I'm framing it into something it's not is ignoring what it is. The republic decided that these worlds weren't allowed to have their own autonomy, and wanted to do so by force. The war is a offensive war, and it's not just
You have a shity memory my friend this war started by not only the assination atemp on padame but with the unlawfull atempted execution of her and jedi on Genosis were they already preped an army and resources to attack first, its only thanks to Yoda and other jedi with clones that rescued them.
 
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Yup, and I'm against them rejoining the war. The jedi are not soldiers, and shouldn't be soldiers, scaling back into a peacekeeping role and independence as a organization from the republic is what I want and will be voting for whenever I can. Cheers bro.
Thats a terible idea do you think Palps will alow us to live your delusional also jedi were in war footing for milenia until the idiotic Russan Reformation
 
You have a shity memory my friend this war started by not only the assination atemp on padame but with the unlawfull atempted execution of her and jedi on Genosis were they already preped an army and resources to attack first, its only thanks to Yoda and other jedi with clones that rescued them.
The war was started when they invaded Geonosis. The jedi paid for a secret slave army(Thanks Sifo Dyas). Padme, Anakin & Obi wan were captured for illegal espionage. The war wouldn't have started if they didn't send a massive army to geonosis. Nobody looks at WW1 and say "oh but they killed the archduke, time for a worldwide warfare!"

All Yoda and the other Jedi did was get tons of jedi killed because of a stupid decision. 🤷‍♂️
Thats a terible idea do you think Palps will alow us to live your delusional also jedi were in war footing for milenia until the idiotic Russan Reformation
Jedi are not soldiers, Revan is a perfect example of what war does to Jedi. Dark side, dark side, dark side LOL.
 
Honestly, personally I am kinda thinking of not leaning either way, and focusing on gathering information and acting to try and improve the bad situation. Since the two actions we have related to the vote is essentially campaigning.🤷‍♂️
The war was started when they invaded Geonosis. The jedi paid for a secret slave army(Thanks Sifo Dyas). Padme, Anakin & Obi wan were captured for illegal espionage. The war wouldn't have started if they didn't send a massive army to geonosis. Nobody looks at WW1 and say "oh but they killed the archduke, time for a worldwide warfare!"

All Yoda and the other Jedi did was get tons of jedi killed because of a stupid decision. 🤷‍♂️

Jedi are not soldiers, Revan is a perfect example of what war does to Jedi. Dark side, dark side, dark side LOL.
...The problem is less dark side inherently making Jedi bad soldiers, and more the flaws of the philosophy of the order, made worse by their stance against the Sith pushing them to act directly...
 
The war would have started regardless with a seperatis attack need i remind you. An atack tge republic would have collapsed and anarchy reining suprem, and the illigle espionage charge no evidance of a trial just declaring they are spies and thats it verry much illigal, oh and the jedi and war thing need i remind you again of the sith wars or why do they have weapons or all the combat styles or ofensive use of the force employed by jedi
 
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Honestly, personally I am kinda thinking of not leaning either way, and focusing on gathering information and acting to try and improve the bad situation. Since the two actions we have related to the vote is essentially campaigning.🤷‍♂️
Fair👍
The war would have started regardless with a seperatis attack need i remind you. An atack tge republic would have collapsed and anarchy reining suprem, and the illigle espionage charge no evidance of a trial just declaring they are spies and thats it verry much illigal, oh and the jedi and war thing need i remind you again of the sith wars
End of the day bro a Jedi master bought a slave army conditioned from birth to like the Jedi, its just icky imo.
Both sides planned for war. Just that without Palpatine there would be no huge catalyst starting it. 🤷‍♂️
 
I also looked it up, the clone army is tiny like my god assuming a unit=1 soldier witch is likely the case. I asumed a unit was like 10 or a 100 clones
 
End of the day bro a Jedi master bought a slave army conditioned from birth to like the Jedi, its just icky imo.
Both sides planned for war. Just that without Palpatine there would be no huge catalyst starting it.
You are now ignoring the elephant in the room the Seperatits are lead by a Sith, a Sith that whats to destroy us and rule the galaxy and by YOUR point the republic is losing, we would be on the choping block regardless if we stay out or join. I say join if we die, we die fighting and not to some pagentry cooked up by Palpetine
 
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You are now ignoring the elephant in the room the Seperatits is lead by a Sith, a Sith that whats to destroy us and rule the galaxy and by YOUR point the republic is losing, we would be on the choping block regardless if we stay out or join. I say join if we die, we die fighting and not to some pagentry cooked up by Palpetine
Join the war, maybe win, end up corrupted and probably have the jedi order destroyed, we already know how this goes thanks to Revan. Or don't join the war, level up diplomacy and look for alternative solutions.
 
You are now ignoring the elephant in the room the Seperatits are lead by a Sith, a Sith that whats to destroy us and rule the galaxy and by YOUR point the republic is losing, we would be on the choping block regardless if we stay out or join. I say join if we die, we die fighting and not to some pagentry cooked up by Palpetine
Yeah Papa Palps ain't gonna stop until every jedi is dead.
 
Join the war, maybe win, end up corrupted and probably have the jedi order destroyed, we already know how this goes thanks to Revan. Or don't join the war, level up diplomacy and look for alternative solutions.
You have selective hearing so i will now scream PAlPS WILL KILL US ALL IF HE WINS. Also Revan and Malick did get corupted and because they chose to fight they fordibly fell thx to the sith emperor via mind rape
 
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You have selective hearing so i will now scream PAlPS WILL KILL US ALL IF HE WINS. Also Revan and Malick did get corupted and because they chose to fight they fordibly fell thx to the sith emperor
ur walking into palpatines plate thinking you'll win by doing so but you won't. Learn the lesson, war will ruin the jedi like always. 🤷‍♂️
 
😂 Man war is not the solution here unless you're planning on exterminating the entirety of the CIS, level up diplomacy instead.
Negotiate with who both sides are not backing down and certainly wont listen to us, we have no way of making them come to talks and Palps certainly wont and could easly sawy CIS he's way and Organa wont singne a peace treaty that shits on them hes not Padame that will accept peace at any cost. Oh I just remember somethinf some jedi defected to CIS what are we going to do about them hmmmm, politley tell them to come back good luck with that. Attack them they are embeded in the army no doubt we would be overwhelmed if we go alone.
 
Negotiate with who both sides are not backing down and certainly wont listen to us, we have no way of making them come to talks and Palps certainly wont and could easly sawy CIS he's way and Organa wont singne a peace treaty that shits on them hes not Padame that will accept peace at any cost. Oh I just remember somethinf some jedi defected to CIS what are we going to do about them hmmmm, politley tell them to come back good luck with that. Attack them they are embeded in the army no doubt we would be overwhelmed if we go alone.
Level up the diplomacy and they'll talk to us. Organa has no choice, he almost got removed as chancellor. Civilians are tired of war. Yeah, we might roll good and get weak jedi on the CIS side.

U better pray to god we roll god, bc trillions of droids + enemy jedi masters ur not winning that fight 😂😂
 
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