I must say I don't really get this ship criticism cause like to me all Federation ships are indistinguishable from each other anyway. Except for that one from DS9 I guess.
Star Trek: Discovery
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The thing is that Starfleet has a very well-defined visual aesthetic, to the point where you don't have to have seen much Star Trek to be able to spot it at a glance, and a lot of what we see of the 32nd century Starfleet doesn't fit well into that aesthetic. It's weird, especially when put up against stuff that does fit that aesthetic like the new-model Connie or the Voyager-J.
The Klingon ships from Season 1 run into this same problem, where most of them aren't bad designs per se but none of them are visually Klingon in a way that lines up with what came before.
That's where I'd have to disagree cause all those ships in the new episode, they all just read as Federation ships to me. Like I really like Discovery but to me that scene was just boring because it was saying wow look at all these ships and yeah all these years into the future Federation ships still all just look like that.
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I for one would like to actually see some of those ships because the show sure cuts away from them fast.
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Yeah, it's all either really long distance shots or so close you only see about half the saucer. And all horrendously overexposed. Like, show them off a bit please!
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Personally, I thought it was fine for what it was, an establishing shot of Starfleet headquarters and some of the ships there. The ships look like appropriate Starfleet designs with a few stranger ones thrown in. I doubt it's any less detailed than any similar shots in previous shows, except for ones in TNG / DS9 where you generally had one other movie-grade model in shot. I think people have their nostalgia glasses firmly in place and their views are colored by the fact that those previous scenes have been deeply examined off-screen for years, so you know what's there but not actually visible.
Here's a little clip about creating the scene and other VFX so far:
Here's a little clip about creating the scene and other VFX so far:
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What´s going on with Georgiou?
Disagree. I have literally never watched Enterprise* from start to finish prior to this year, and rewatched DS9 and TNG within the last two years.
It's not about the detail (well, except when it is - the Discovery model is simply missing key features that have been a staple on Trek ships for years, and that's just an objectively true observation) as in the textures or whatever, its how the ships are presented to the audience. The color grading, the direction, the effects, the cinematography - all of it combines to make it very hard to focus on the ship and appreciate what fine detail there is there.
There is simply no equivalent to the many, many shots from previous shows of say, a very close-up shot of torpedo tube flying out of a tube, or a phaser bank firing. It just never happens. The camera is deathly afraid of centering on the Discovery at all for any appreciable length of time to do anything.
*Enterprise is just a far, far better show than the fan backlash to it back when it premiered gives it credit. Its way better than Discovery, that's for sure.
Sphere Data and Rommie
The Sphere Data as it appears in Forget Me Not vs. Rommie as she develops up to All Great Neptune's Ocean.
There isn't much to compare. The Sphere Data and Rommie have different personalities. Rommie also developed further over the ten episodes.
Die Trying
The Sphere Data as it appears in Forget Me Not vs. Rommie as she develops up to All Great Neptune's Ocean.
There isn't much to compare. The Sphere Data and Rommie have different personalities. Rommie also developed further over the ten episodes.
Die Trying
The fifth episode of the third season. Discovery finds Federation headquarters cloaked in the middle of space. (Voyager-J, USS Nog, Both are very cool, particularly the latter.) With Saru, Burnham and Adira beaming over, they find that the Federation is down to only 38 members from over 350 at it's height just prior to the Burn. It definitely has seen better days, but at least Kaminar is one of the 38. This sequence was done very well. However Admiral Vance wants to break up the Discovery crew, to which Burnham objects.
Why this would be a surprise to the Discovery crew I'm not sure, given usual rotation of officers in real world militaries, but that would be to digress. Some refugees are suffering from a disease, to which Discovery can get the cure in a timely manner, given the Spore Drive. How convenient, but the story makes up for it. See below. Meanwhile Mirror Georgiou is interrogated by someone who may be in Section 31. No contact with the Mirror Universe for 500 years? (Or is it, no known contacts?)
Not sure how she was able to crash those holograms by blinking rapidly. Discovery jumps to the Tikhov where the Federation's Seed Bank is being cared for by a family of Barzans. (It seems Barzan joined the Federation in the 25th Century, and is one of the 38.) The interior of the ship was interesting, and the mystery of what happened to the family was engaging. Of course, it may have been more than a Coronal Mass Ejection that may have effected the ship, but again, the story was engaging.
Nhan deciding to stay behind was unexpected, but it seems that she might appear later in the season. Then there's Detmer (her vitals are unstable according to Vance.) There is almost certainly more going on with her futher down the road. Saru being concerned about Burnham possibly being mutinous (again) was a good touch given the changes in her. Overall it was a good episode. 8.8/10.
Why this would be a surprise to the Discovery crew I'm not sure, given usual rotation of officers in real world militaries, but that would be to digress. Some refugees are suffering from a disease, to which Discovery can get the cure in a timely manner, given the Spore Drive. How convenient, but the story makes up for it. See below. Meanwhile Mirror Georgiou is interrogated by someone who may be in Section 31. No contact with the Mirror Universe for 500 years? (Or is it, no known contacts?)
Not sure how she was able to crash those holograms by blinking rapidly. Discovery jumps to the Tikhov where the Federation's Seed Bank is being cared for by a family of Barzans. (It seems Barzan joined the Federation in the 25th Century, and is one of the 38.) The interior of the ship was interesting, and the mystery of what happened to the family was engaging. Of course, it may have been more than a Coronal Mass Ejection that may have effected the ship, but again, the story was engaging.
Nhan deciding to stay behind was unexpected, but it seems that she might appear later in the season. Then there's Detmer (her vitals are unstable according to Vance.) There is almost certainly more going on with her futher down the road. Saru being concerned about Burnham possibly being mutinous (again) was a good touch given the changes in her. Overall it was a good episode. 8.8/10.
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Sooooo... The Feds have apparently embraced wireless technology when it comes to warp nacelles. 
This week's episode was pretty great. I like that it was just a series of conversations and debates and I like that they fully respected and paid off Spock's desire for Romulan/Vulcan unification. Very admirable work.
That said, now that this episode has come and gone we can also confirm that the Discovery creative team just has no sense of the Discovery herself as a character in this show. They never have, and they never will. It's just not in their nature. We got zero The Motion Picture style (it doesn't need to be that long though, lol) look at the retrofitted ship before she left on her first mission, it's just treated like its totally unremarkable and we see the ship like twice in the whole episode.
Remember when in every Star Trek series from like TOS to ENT, there'd be regular establishing shots of the Enterprise / other ship orbiting or outside its location? This happens like once an episode now at best. And DISCO's effects style doesn't help you make a connection with the ship. Gloomy, dark, intrusive lens flare, odd angles, and frustrating distance.
That said, now that this episode has come and gone we can also confirm that the Discovery creative team just has no sense of the Discovery herself as a character in this show. They never have, and they never will. It's just not in their nature. We got zero The Motion Picture style (it doesn't need to be that long though, lol) look at the retrofitted ship before she left on her first mission, it's just treated like its totally unremarkable and we see the ship like twice in the whole episode.
Remember when in every Star Trek series from like TOS to ENT, there'd be regular establishing shots of the Enterprise / other ship orbiting or outside its location? This happens like once an episode now at best. And DISCO's effects style doesn't help you make a connection with the ship. Gloomy, dark, intrusive lens flare, odd angles, and frustrating distance.
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Unification III
The sixth episode of the third season. Discovery has been refitted with 32nd Century technology, becoming Starfleet's new Rapid Response Vessel. Now it's the Discovery A. (Disco A?) Several plots occur. Burnham goes AWOL on a personal mission with Georgiou to rescue Book, leaving Saru to do damage control with Admiral Vance. While this is happening, Stamets connects with Adira. All of these plots are done very well. But first, it's obvious Tilly isn't a cat person, as she's not very confident around Grudge.
Still was a good aside in the episode. The main story was about Burnham's mission to rescue Book, who had located possible information on the Burn.Whether the Federation could be restored if the cause of the Burn is found is only one of the questions that need to be considered. However, the scenes at the Emerald Chain slave warehouse were done rather well. Not sure why they use slaves rather than dumb AIs (probably just because they can), but that doesn't detract from the escape sequence.
Looks like Multi Vector Assult Mode has been refined down the centuries. There certainly something up with Georgiou. Did the Section 31 guy do something to her? Or is it something else? Stamets and Adira connecting was also a good aspect of the epsiode, especially the part where Stamets mentions when Culbur had passed away temporarily. Of course, he still doesn't know all about how Grey is appearing to her, but at least those Spore Drive Interface implants are gone. (But the follow up conversation with Culbur was unnecessary.)
Detmer's hesitation regarding the necessity of the Programable matter upgrades to the Bridge consoles was a good contrast to Rhys' enthusiasm for them. Admiral Vance calling out Burnham for her behaviour was done well too, as was Saru's decision to demote her from First Officer duties. (Maybe Nilsson is Saru's Number One now?) There were some small quibbles, but over all it's a good episode. 8.5/10.
Still was a good aside in the episode. The main story was about Burnham's mission to rescue Book, who had located possible information on the Burn.Whether the Federation could be restored if the cause of the Burn is found is only one of the questions that need to be considered. However, the scenes at the Emerald Chain slave warehouse were done rather well. Not sure why they use slaves rather than dumb AIs (probably just because they can), but that doesn't detract from the escape sequence.
Looks like Multi Vector Assult Mode has been refined down the centuries. There certainly something up with Georgiou. Did the Section 31 guy do something to her? Or is it something else? Stamets and Adira connecting was also a good aspect of the epsiode, especially the part where Stamets mentions when Culbur had passed away temporarily. Of course, he still doesn't know all about how Grey is appearing to her, but at least those Spore Drive Interface implants are gone. (But the follow up conversation with Culbur was unnecessary.)
Detmer's hesitation regarding the necessity of the Programable matter upgrades to the Bridge consoles was a good contrast to Rhys' enthusiasm for them. Admiral Vance calling out Burnham for her behaviour was done well too, as was Saru's decision to demote her from First Officer duties. (Maybe Nilsson is Saru's Number One now?) There were some small quibbles, but over all it's a good episode. 8.5/10.
Unification III
The seventh episode of the third season. Discovery heads to Ni'var, formerly known as Vulcan, to obtain more data on what may have caused the Burn. Saru decides to assign Tilly as a temporary First Officer. There are many aspects to this episode. The outcome of Spock's efforts towards Vulcan-Romulan reunification was interesting to see. But first, the surprise Burnham and Saru show regarding the relationship between the Vulcans and Romulans was well done, as was Admiral Vance's explanation.
Spore jumping to Ni'var, Discovery takes their government by surprise. Also surprising is the amount of blue on the planet. The Romulans may have contributed to some low level terraforming efforts/recovery from the Pre-Sundering wars. The nature of the Quorum also reminded me of the Minbari Grey Council in Babylon 5, which has a similar structure. The biggest difference being, the Minbari have Caste divsions – Religious, Warrior and Worker; whereas the Ni'Var have entho-cultural divisions – Romulan, Romulo-Vulcan and Vulcan.
The Grey Council also has nine members rather than three. But that isn't really the focus. Burnham's request for the data on the SB19 project threatens to re-open the old divides between the various factions on the planet. That her mother, Gabriel, is a member of the Qowat Milat was a surprise, but it was a pleasant one. Of course, this leads to a confrontation about Michael's motivations and convictions about the cause of the Burn. Has she really changed since the Battle of the Binary Stars?
Spock's legacy regarding Reunification is frequently referred to. Certainly he started the ball rolling, as it were, but many other people, both Vulcan and Romulan continued the work. Interesting that it was the Romulans on Ni'var who wanted to remain part of the Federation rather than the Vulcans. The way some of the crew members were supporting Tilly in the situation she has found herself in was done well. Overall it was a good episode. 8.6/10.
Spore jumping to Ni'var, Discovery takes their government by surprise. Also surprising is the amount of blue on the planet. The Romulans may have contributed to some low level terraforming efforts/recovery from the Pre-Sundering wars. The nature of the Quorum also reminded me of the Minbari Grey Council in Babylon 5, which has a similar structure. The biggest difference being, the Minbari have Caste divsions – Religious, Warrior and Worker; whereas the Ni'Var have entho-cultural divisions – Romulan, Romulo-Vulcan and Vulcan.
The Grey Council also has nine members rather than three. But that isn't really the focus. Burnham's request for the data on the SB19 project threatens to re-open the old divides between the various factions on the planet. That her mother, Gabriel, is a member of the Qowat Milat was a surprise, but it was a pleasant one. Of course, this leads to a confrontation about Michael's motivations and convictions about the cause of the Burn. Has she really changed since the Battle of the Binary Stars?
Spock's legacy regarding Reunification is frequently referred to. Certainly he started the ball rolling, as it were, but many other people, both Vulcan and Romulan continued the work. Interesting that it was the Romulans on Ni'var who wanted to remain part of the Federation rather than the Vulcans. The way some of the crew members were supporting Tilly in the situation she has found herself in was done well. Overall it was a good episode. 8.6/10.
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So that was a good episode, seeing Booker empath stuff happening although surely it has to be vaguely technological in nature?
The Admiral is going to be so angry when they find out Discovery engaged with the Orion ship. Hopefully they'll be going to visit the nebula where the Burn started next week?
The Admiral is going to be so angry when they find out Discovery engaged with the Orion ship. Hopefully they'll be going to visit the nebula where the Burn started next week?
Osyraa's ship looked pretty rad to me I enjoyed that design.
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Yeah, the Rogue Pilot explanation isn't going to satisfy him at all. Hopefully, blue General Revil's news will help.
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Not in the least.
Also good that Frakes directed this episode too
The Sanctuary
The Eighth episode of the third season. Book receives a message from his brother, saying that the Emerald Chain is encroaching on their homeworld. They also trace the origin of the Burn to a nebula where a Federation distress signal is coming from. Adira comes out to Stamets (and at least Culber). Culber also tries to find out what is wrong with Georgiou. Is it a disjointed mess? No, but the storylines don't seem to have much to do with each other. But I'm certain it would come together further down the line.
First of all, the storyline with Book and his brother is the main storyline, bringing the threat of the Emerald Chain front and centre. Discovery jumps to the planet to 'observe' the situation. However, as usually happens, things get out of control. Book's brother ambushes Book and Burnham, while Osyraa, the leader of the Emerald Chain, arrives in her warship. She certainly is menacing in an understated way. The scenes with Detmer, Rin and Grudge in Book's ship were done very well. Rin being flummuxed by Grudge was a great moment.
That the Chain is running out of Dilithium isn't that much of a surprise, although it certainly will lead to something down the road. Osyraa's ship being defeated by Book's ship (which needs a name) instead of Discovery) while a resonable development, doesn't stop Osyraa blaming the Federation, which is a good moment. Georgiou seems to be dying, but Culbur isn't able to pinpoint what the problem is, even with the 32nd Century medical technology. But it's almost certainly leading into the next episode.
It's certainly something that will take up some time in that episode (or two). The scene where Adira comes out to Stamets was well written. It certainly gets across that its something very personal, given that they had only previously told Grey. (And based on the real life coming out?) Then there's the usual Culmets sappyness. Don't need too much of it. At least it links into the Burn storyline, given it was Adira writing the algorithm. Overall a good episode. 8.3/10.
First of all, the storyline with Book and his brother is the main storyline, bringing the threat of the Emerald Chain front and centre. Discovery jumps to the planet to 'observe' the situation. However, as usually happens, things get out of control. Book's brother ambushes Book and Burnham, while Osyraa, the leader of the Emerald Chain, arrives in her warship. She certainly is menacing in an understated way. The scenes with Detmer, Rin and Grudge in Book's ship were done very well. Rin being flummuxed by Grudge was a great moment.
That the Chain is running out of Dilithium isn't that much of a surprise, although it certainly will lead to something down the road. Osyraa's ship being defeated by Book's ship (which needs a name) instead of Discovery) while a resonable development, doesn't stop Osyraa blaming the Federation, which is a good moment. Georgiou seems to be dying, but Culbur isn't able to pinpoint what the problem is, even with the 32nd Century medical technology. But it's almost certainly leading into the next episode.
It's certainly something that will take up some time in that episode (or two). The scene where Adira comes out to Stamets was well written. It certainly gets across that its something very personal, given that they had only previously told Grey. (And based on the real life coming out?) Then there's the usual Culmets sappyness. Don't need too much of it. At least it links into the Burn storyline, given it was Adira writing the algorithm. Overall a good episode. 8.3/10.
Terra Firma Part 1
The ninth episode of the third season and the first half of a two-parter. Georgiou's condition is getting worse, and the Sphere Dara recommends going to a mysterious planet near the Gamma Quadrant. It is discovered that the ship in that nebula is a Kelpian ship. Upon reaching the planet and meeting a mysterious 'Carl,' Georgiou finds herself back in the Mirror Universe. More on what she experiences later. The scene with the hologram of the Time Warrior from the Kelvin Universe was good.
Not sure what to make of the 'molecules want to go back to universe and time of origin' thing. But then the concept isn't new. It's similar to the Entropic Cascade Failure in Stargate SG1. Even there the more similar (and closer) the realities, the less likely it is to occur. But time travel wasn't mentioned. The way Saru reacted to the message from the Kelpian ship in that nebula was a nice touch. That is certainly leading somewhere. Admiral Vance's words to Saru about learning from past mistakes were also a nice touch.
'Carl' is certainly reminiscent of Q, but he may not be a Q. (Maybe not a portal or be related to the Guardian of Forever either). The Mirror Universe twist was a surprise. Whatever that door is, it probably didn't lead to the real Mirror Universe. It's almost certainly a test which Georgiou must undergo. But that certainly what the real ISS Discovery looked like. Captain Killy certainly impressed.
I also liked the way Mirror Burnham contrasted with her Prime self. Of course the storyline on the ISS Discovery raises questions. Is it a test being generated by Carl? Or is there more going on? It's obvious that there will be at least some answers in the next episode. Like, is there now an alternate timeline with the death of the Mirror Stamets? That is maybe the biggest indication that it may be a Carl test. And there may be something in the character interactions that may be important. Even so, a good start to a two-parter. 8.4/10.
Not sure what to make of the 'molecules want to go back to universe and time of origin' thing. But then the concept isn't new. It's similar to the Entropic Cascade Failure in Stargate SG1. Even there the more similar (and closer) the realities, the less likely it is to occur. But time travel wasn't mentioned. The way Saru reacted to the message from the Kelpian ship in that nebula was a nice touch. That is certainly leading somewhere. Admiral Vance's words to Saru about learning from past mistakes were also a nice touch.
'Carl' is certainly reminiscent of Q, but he may not be a Q. (Maybe not a portal or be related to the Guardian of Forever either). The Mirror Universe twist was a surprise. Whatever that door is, it probably didn't lead to the real Mirror Universe. It's almost certainly a test which Georgiou must undergo. But that certainly what the real ISS Discovery looked like. Captain Killy certainly impressed.
I also liked the way Mirror Burnham contrasted with her Prime self. Of course the storyline on the ISS Discovery raises questions. Is it a test being generated by Carl? Or is there more going on? It's obvious that there will be at least some answers in the next episode. Like, is there now an alternate timeline with the death of the Mirror Stamets? That is maybe the biggest indication that it may be a Carl test. And there may be something in the character interactions that may be important. Even so, a good start to a two-parter. 8.4/10.
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Great episode, so it was the Guardian of Forever then....it had just moved so as not to be involved in the Temporal Wars.
Guess with Emperor Georgiou gone back in time, it is all set for her spin-off series now too. Wonder which century she will end up in? I am guess early 23rd Century and end up interacting with Pike in his spin-off.
Guess with Emperor Georgiou gone back in time, it is all set for her spin-off series now too. Wonder which century she will end up in? I am guess early 23rd Century and end up interacting with Pike in his spin-off.
The Section 31 show should basically be the 5th season of Enterprise covering the Romulan War. Bare with me-Georgiou going back in time was deliberately left it open ended, so
i wouldn't be surprised if the plot details are yet to be fleshed out. Which makes me think, given the Guardian said he was sending her back to a time when the Prime and Mirror Universes were not too far apart, then the further back they go the better, but they cant go much further back or you will have Georgiou marching around 20th century earth.
People have always wanted to see the Earth Romulan War.
People would never object to more detail about the founding of the Federation.
A spy agency is much more useful and has much more story telling opportunity in a war story context.
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And there goes 60% of the reason I watched Discovery.
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Sure, a spy agency might have some interesting stories to tell about the Romulan War. "Cerberus Lite: The Series starring Empress McHitlerstalin"... fuck that. Just fuck that. I have no interest in a show that's all about This Utopia Needs Some Fascism, and that fact that the showrunners seem to be all fired up about this concept fucking disgusts me.
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It was mentioned several times that the last time the prime and mirror universes were able to interact was the 25th(?) century, meaning that's probably where she was sent to and coincidentally Picard is just about to enter it (last season was set in 2399). I won't be surprised if she shows up in season two of that series.