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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo, boring centrism wins again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WWhhhhyyyyyyyy!

I just *sniff* I just wanted to kill all the monarchists.

I didn't even get to vote!
 
Boring? Are you kidding me? This plan totally centralizes government and also hands control of that government to a general suffrage of all adult men with no weighting for region or class. In a status quo that no one is especially happy with. It just set up parliamentary thunderdome.
 
Potato Anarchy said:
Boring? Are you kidding me? This plan totally centralizes government and also hands control of that government to a general suffrage of all adult men with no weighting for region or class. In a status quo that no one is especially happy with. It just set up parliamentary thunderdome.
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Two Men enter, and one Man Leaves! Two Men Enter, and One Man Leaves!

By the Emperor, that would give the Samurai something to look forward to if that were the case! :V

Wow.
 
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I personally think keeping the Monarchy was the right decision truthfully, oppositon 'restoration movements' have been made for less entrenched dynasties before, who knows what could pop out of that nature for a line most people these days thought was old as the concept of the nation Japan itself.
 
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Aw boy. Not getting rid of those nobles will bite us in the back.

Anyway, taxes. We should do those.
 
I think it would be an absurd burden to tax the nobles and temples of Japan.
However I do think that the People's king should get significant fiscal gifts every year for his birthday from the nobles temples and Peoples of Japan
 
All I'm thinking is:

"What the fuck is the Emperor thinking about the sudden and drastic changes in politics in the empire he is supposedly the emperor of, and how can we use that to our advantage for our own political gain?"

I failed the spot check.
 
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Magoose said:
All I'm thinking is:

"What the fuck is the Emperor thinking about the sudden and drastic changes in politics in the empire he is supposedly the emperor of, and how can use that to our advantage for our own political gain?" :V
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No emperor in this timeline. He got owned. Check the timeline in post 1.
 
[X] Rikken-to "Constitution Party"
-[X] Plan: The Heart of the State is the Coin
--[X] Establish a national bank through which to create and manage a single currency of paper and tokens, phasing out local alternatives at fair rates over a period of years. Back the currency with precious metals collected through taxes (below).
--[X] Set up government bonds in a stable foreign currency, promoting their sale at home and abroad as a source of government income separate from taxes and tariffs.
--[X] Establish moderate but universal taxes on land and agriculture that must be paid in precious metals or the national currency, pushing rural estates into the cash economy.
--[X] Subsidize development of the mining industry as a source of exportable goods and foreign currency.
--[X] Establish a merchant marine to support sea trade and form a professional core + people's auxiliaries system for the navy akin to the army. Prioritize southwestern (and Christian) regions for this program, given their existing expertise and the value of getting their political support.

My thinking with this platform is this: there's a lot of classic 19th century liberal developmentalism we should be chasing, but we have so little state capacity at the moment that we need to cover some fundamentals first: just literally any moderately stable source of fiscal health we can get our hands on, with which we can support literally any other government action. This also mixes in some naval investments, which we desperately need to secure trade as well as our general security.

edit: incorporated some revisions to the bank, currency, and taxes from discussion with Etranger about gold reserves.
 
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Physici said:
[X] Kokumin-to "People's Party"
-[X] Plan Become Functional
--[X] Establish a progressive system of income taxes as well as land taxes, peasants should pay less than the nobility and merchants.
--[X] Establish a currency minted by a new central bank controlled by the government; this should replace all local currencies.
--[X] Begin establishing modern training regimens for the army.
--[X] Buy up capital for investing in light industry so that local businesses can compete against the foreigners.
--[X] Begin hiring a bureaucracy so that we can have the state capacity to do all this.

For getting rid of the Treaty of Satsuma (and therefore be able to actually have tariffs), we'll probably need to go to war. Which… will be a thing. Proooobably not ready for that yet. Difficult when we're an island nation up against the British empire.
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I'd be willing to vote for this plan, but I really want a focus on fort quality, and maybe seaport quantity/quality, too, if only for defense. I feel as if that fits the 'isolationist' criteria pretty well.
 
[X] Kokuo-to "The Crown('s) Party"
-[X] Plan Self-Strengthening Movement
--[X] Form a navy by amalgamating local warlord fleets and set them to coastal patrols and customs duties.
--[X] Lay out a centralized taxation and tariff system with a rationalized set of exactions enforced even-handedly by professional salaried collectors.
--[X] Begin building several state-owned military factories to supply our soldiery with rifles, bullets, uniforms, and other necessary materiel.
--[X] Establish a national bank backed by the kingdom's gold reserves and, in order to acquire said reserves, begin taking taxes in precious metals and goods while issuing a unified paper and non-precious metal currency.
--[X] Perform a comprehensive survey of the nation's educational capacity in preparation for expansion and regulation.
 
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[X] Rikken-to "Constitution Party"
-[X] Plan: The Heart of the State is the Coin

I got nothing else to say, we can industrialize later.
 
TheMaskedReader said:
I'd be willing to vote for this plan, but I really want a focus on fort quality, and maybe seaport quantity/quality, too, if only for defense. I feel as if that fits the 'isolationist' criteria pretty well.
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Hmm good point. Maybe I should switch out the bureaucracy plank? I'm not sure how much that needs to be explicit vs we automatically hire what we need to do other stuff.
 
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[X] Kokuo-to "The Crown('s) Party"
-[X] Plan Self-Strengthening Movement
--[X] Form a navy by amalgamating local warlord fleets and set them to coastal patrols and customs duties.
--[X] Lay out a centralized taxation and tariff system with a rationalized set of exactions enforced even-handedly by professional salaried collectors.
--[X] Begin building several state-owned military factories to supply our soldiery with rifles, bullets, uniforms, and other necessary materiel.
--[X] Establish a national bank backed by the kingdom's gold reserves and begin issuing a single unified currency.
--[X] Perform a comprehensive survey of the nation's educational capacity in preparation for expansion and regulation.
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this seems like a fine Kokuo-to platform, but I want to raise the minor logistical issue that we have no gold reserves.

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In the end, it all comes down to money. The Uesugi government left no treasury behind for the new regime, and no group can be convinced to pony up cash to pay for governmental projects. There are no nationwide taxes or tariffs, and not even a single currency across the country. The economy has stagnated for many years, hindered by war and shortsightedness. Foreign trade is dominated by the British, who funnel their products freely into Japanese ports under the provisions of the Treaty of Satsuma. Without income, the interim administration is left completely ineffective.
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