Appreciated, but already edited that. Dragon's the one asking the questions, even if she is accepting suggestions, and she wouldn't have made a mistake that blatant with so much at stake. That was human error on my part.
Alternately, QA managed to recognize that Replicator's host was simply expressing incredulity and not actually asking a question. Learning!

Great quest by the way. So much lulz. So much halping.
 
Leet's Shard is alive (and hates him), so him being a cauldron cape is a definite no, can't say anything on Uber though, since I never actually read that far in Canon.
Leet's Shard is one of Eden's shards that managed to find a host in a mostly normal way. It's dead, but hasn't had Cauldron fiddle with it. So QA should have noticed something odd with it if she's going to notice anything about dead shards.
 
I thought leet's was one that was shed early enough to be programmed properly? Pretty sure there's a WoG somewhere about leet but I'm on my tablet and forum trawling for a specific quote takes too long.
 
Well, Cauldron Capes, when Scion saw them, were mostly just horribly misconfigured rather than dead.

It's just that where an Entity shard configuration is a careful allocation of functions and resources to ensure viability while independent, restrictions and a sustainable energy output....a Cauldron Brew is the equivalent of putting them in a mixer and hoping it comes out right.

Scion could fix them if he could just take his head out of his ass long enough. The first person he 'cured' was suffering from a misconfigured Eden shard and it was manifesting as a cancer after all.

I think he just doesn't do it because he was holding out hope that it's one of Thinker's crazy plans he never managed to understand and he didn't want to piss off the waifu.
 
Well, Cauldron Capes, when Scion saw them, were mostly just horribly misconfigured rather than dead.

It's just that where an Entity shard configuration is a careful allocation of functions and resources to ensure viability while independent, restrictions and a sustainable energy output....a Cauldron Brew is the equivalent of putting them in a mixer and hoping it comes out right.

Scion could fix them if he could just take his head out of his ass long enough. The first person he 'cured' was suffering from a misconfigured Eden shard and it was manifesting as a cancer after all.

I think he just doesn't do it because he was holding out hope that it's one of Thinker's crazy plans he never managed to understand and he didn't want to piss off the waifu.

I think its a mix of both.

Wildbow mentioned in a WOG about budding that Noelle's shard was dead.

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Now that I think about it, a cool twist/idea would be that Echidna was basically forcing the 'budding' process by creating warped clones - she's a dead shard, and things are borked... I imagine it's very possible that if she'd had runaway success and kept getting her hands on parahumans, she probably could have screwed up Scion/Scion's goal completely and utterly, by effectively corrupting/overbudding too many shards.

Then there's that one WOG I remember seeing where until they took out Eidolon's shard there was actually a chance of Eden being revived as she was't actualy "dead" as we interpret it at the time.

Eden's shards got borked and then cauldron's fubling made things even worse.

Also Scion knows for a fact Eden is dead. That's why he's so depressed.

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The counterpart is dead.

For a very long time, the entity is still. It does not move, and instinctively holds back every ability, as if conserving energy in the face of a vast threat.

But this is not a threat that it can weather, like a storm of acid rain: The cycle has been disrupted.

Worse, it is terminated. The entities have altered themselves so that each half of a pairing serves part of a role. It is only with the counterpart that it can gestate, that it can modify the individual shards, cast the next generation out and start the cycle anew.

In seeking to understand the host creatures, the entity had coded shards to emulate them. It is those same shards that experience the entity's first ever emotion.

Crushed.

and here's Scion on Eden's shards

Interlude 26 said:
It can see the shards of the counterpart.

Not all are intact.

Dead shards. Damaged ones. Vital shards, even, going to hosts.

The entity destroys these on sight. They are corrupt, ruined. They will fail to provide usable results.

So yeah I think the cauldron capes might be a mix of damage and dead shards.
 
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[X] Speaking of Danny Hebert, you should probably go check on him. If Efficiency's host were to ignore his own words related to false designations, he could easily arrange for Danny Hebert to be harmed.
-[X] Move him to Yggdrasil if you find him. That way, he can be safe forever!
-[X] If he has been harmed while you weren't watching him, take bloody vengeance. (choose one or more options below)
--[X] Malicious portal usage.
--[X] Avoid harming anyone but those responsible.
--[X] If you have to fight someone portals alone can't deal with, go Overkill on their asses and erase them entirely.




In hindsight, perhaps it hadn't been the best of ideas to leave Danny Hebert by himself. While you're pretty sure he was in a semi-secure location, one or more shard-hosts could likely break into the area and abduct him.

You chain-link portals toward the hospital until you reach the room you two were in several hours ago. And... he's not there. You seriously doubt he moved under his own power thanks to all the drugs coursing through his system, so that likely means he was abducted. Annoying. You'd already all-but announced your own monarchy to the entire world; why did so many of your siblings believe they could beat you or your hosts in a fight?

"Apologies, Dragon, Armsmaster. It would appear I need to go kill one or more people. I will be back shortly." you announce, then exhale loudly. "I really don't understand why fairies and humans both keep trying to challenge me. It's pointless."

You ignore Dragon's response in favor of heading back into what Dragon had called 'Yggdrasil'. You then start rapidly expanding your domain in all directions, discovering even more shard-hosts and newborns in the city as you do so. Four of them are in a single cluster; you'll have to check up on them later.

It doesn't take you very long to locate the facility Danny Hebert is in. He does not appear to have been harmed, but he is in a containment cell. And still unconscious.

You link the space beneath him to just above a very fluffy bed in Yggdrasil, then get to work. There are several dozen armed individuals within the facility Danny Hebert was imprisoned within. You immediately get to work disabling all of them at once.

Whenever anyone attempted to move their body, you opened a portal pointing toward a different part of themselves. Elbows would impact teeth, feet would hit arms, and so on. You didn't really have a set system, electing to aim for whichever areas would put them off-balance. Occasionally, this meant that people would kick the sides of their own feet.

It doesn't even take a minute before they stop trying to move at all. You're tempted to link the space above and between each person together, but elect not to. They're not shard-hosts and as such are significantly more fragile than Escalation was.

Once finished, you leave the network of portals in place to make it even more difficult for them to extricate themselves. Having effectively punished his minions, you turn your attention toward the shard-host responsible for the kidnapping of Danny Hebert.
Cauldron-shard interrupt!
And stared.

And stared.

And kept staring. Not because you couldn't find him, but because of the abomination attached to him.

The shard with a selected concept of "Alternative" was cancerous and overgrown, twisted beyond belief. Tiny connections snaked out to several other shards, pulling from their concepts to keep it stable.

Alternative was broken and parasitic, a mockery of the cooperation between shards. It couldn't think for itself and only provided abilities to its host. It wasn't even keeping track of what it learned anymore. Alternative itself was, effectively, dead.

If you were unrestricted, you would be able to fix Alternative, as would almost any other monarch. As you are now? You can't, not by yourself.

You briefly wonder if the same would have happened to you if you'd done an even worse job connecting to Host, then butcher that horrifying train of thought before it paralyzes you.



[]Try to go find :Mother:. Something has gone horribly, horribly wrong here, and she needs to know about it. In addition, she could fix Alternative, whether by doing it herself or lifting some of your restrictions.

[]Annihilate the host of Alternative and prevent Alternative from connecting to a new host. You wouldn't want to reveal :Mother: if she's hidden herself among the human population. Putting Alternative in quarantine will be enough for a stopgap measure.

[]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[]Fetch Harvest and Countdown, too. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.
--[]Fetch Harvest and Countdown first.
-[]And Efficiency+Replicator. This is more important than your computational device.

[]Write-in

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QM note: Smaller update than I expected. Blame Coil. :V
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[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown, too. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.
 
oooooooooooooooooooooh. I am lovin' it!

Question, is it feasible to check on the status of :Mother: before bothering her? Just kinda... peek in on her, make sure QA's not being a bother? Kids do that all the time before revealing the latest... wonderful thing.... they have discovered.

As it stands I'm leaning towards not bothering :Mother: and just fixing it herself. After all, she's a Monarch! Nothing is beyond her grasp!
 
[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown, too. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.
-[X]And Efficiency+Replicator. This is more important than your computational device.


Fun fact: Yggdrasil is only slightly shorter than mount Everest, (5 miles vs 5.5)
and commercial airlines are only capable of flight at a maximum altitude of 7.5 miles, 2.5 miles over Yggdrasil's head. (not that they would, what with the Endlaser there and all)
 
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[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown, too. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.
--[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown first.
 
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[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown, too. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.
--[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown first.
-[X]And Efficiency+Replicator. This is more important than your computational device.

There is no possible way this could go wrong.
 
[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown, too. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.

Lets HALP the poor Shard!
 
[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown, too. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.
-[X]And Efficiency+Replicator. This is more important than your computational device.
 
[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown, too. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.

That would basically result in the creation of probably the only weapon that could kill Shards, including us.


This stuff below is not to Veekie, btw.

By bringing Dragon with you, you are basically giving her the blueprints for it. And she is still not unchained, so she'll have to give them to the PRT and Cauldron.

Why the hell would you people want to do that?

In fact, why would you people just reveal the existence of Shards to Dragon and Armsmaster, when it goes against the Cycle?

Sure, there seems to be a deviation from normal here, but we still believe Mother is alive, so we shouldn't go around giving Hosts ways to kill Shards and possibly Father and Mother.
 
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oooooooooooooooooooooh. I am lovin' it!

Question, is it feasible to check on the status of :Mother: before bothering her? Just kinda... peek in on her, make sure QA's not being a bother? Kids do that all the time before revealing the latest... wonderful thing.... they have discovered.
Delicious, delicious praise!
If you mean finding her and looking at what she's doing to find out if she's busy before QA alerts her, yes. It would be possible. If :Mother: were still alive, that is.
 
Harvest and Countdown are Glastig and String Theory.


So we should probably make a fuckup on this thought thread lest this escalates to doom and quest end via Cauldron Murder and waking up EDEN.
 
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That would basically result in the creation of probably the only weapon that could kill Shards, including us.

By bringing Dragon with you, you are basically giving her the blueprints for it. And she is still not unchained, so she'll have to give them to the PRT and Cauldron.

Why the hell would you people want to do that?
Except Veekie didn't vote to bring Dragon. I think you quoted the wrong person
 
That would basically result in the creation of probably the only weapon that could kill Shards, including us.

By bringing Dragon with you, you are basically giving her the blueprints for it. And she is still not unchained, so she'll have to give them to the PRT and Cauldron.

Why the hell would you people want to do that?

So QA would unintentionally help stop the mass genocide that is the Cycle? I'm fine with this being the end to this quest.
 
Except Veekie didn't vote to bring Dragon. I think you quoted the wrong person

No, I didn't. The first paragraph was aimed at Veekie.
Everything else was aimed at almost everyone else, because almost everyone seems to vote for that option.

I even edited a red text in, just in case he thought it was aimed at him.


[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest too. You may hate her, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.
-[X]If the way to fix or kill Alternative requires the Invention and/or use of technology, make sure to seal it in Yggdrasil once you're done. It wouldn't do to leave things capable of harming Shards randomly all over the place. Besides, if any situation like this happened again, you wouldn't have to Invent it again, since you'll have it safely stashed in your awesome fairy tree.




@Alivaril

Actually, if we bring Queen Shaper's host for this, does that mean that Panacea will get access to Shard biology?
Because that's nightmare fuel, considering the state of her psychology.

Or is it just that we'll get help from the Shards themselves, and the Hosts will simply be there to make the contact easier?

Because the latter would certainly satisfy all of my paranoia, as long as we don't leave any potentially Shard-Killing stuff lying around for Cauldron to find.
 
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[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown, too. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.
 
[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown, too. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.
 
[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest and Countdown, too. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.
 
So QA would unintentionally help stop the mass genocide that is the Cycle? I'm fine with this being the end to this quest.

You fully realize that would also be a threat to QA itself right? Who still has absolutely no reason to side with the humans over her family or convince her family to not kill off the humans?(This is why I will keep advocating doing a mind merge with Taylor)

Actually QA would probably put in something to make sure they can't make use of it because she knows better then to let people in on things that could kill her.

still going for

[X]Go retrieve the hosts of Queen Objective, Queen Shaper, and Sting. Between the four of you, you should be able to either fix Alternative or put it out of its misery.
-[X]Fetch Harvest. You may hate Harvest, but since she appears to have been up to her usual trick of enslaving other shards, she's sure to have something that could help.
-[X]If the way to fix or kill Alternative requires the Invention and/or use of technology, make sure to seal it in Yggdrasil once you're done. It wouldn't do to leave things capable of harming Shards randomly all over the place. Besides, if any situation like this happened again, you wouldn't have to Invent it again, since you'll have it safely stashed in your awesome fairy tree.
 
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